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Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« on: July 01, 2008, 06:19:13 PM »
IIRC, some poster wrote something to the effect that m/s/c were opposed to BHO.

Perhaps he ought to join up and tell them the error of their ways:
This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed "Marxist States." They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!

There is theory as bandied about in the student union.  Then there is reality...



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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 06:23:46 PM »
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This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level.

Note that in essence these people are voting for the lesser of two evils, Obama, versus the candidate which is most in alignment with their views. They are attempting to elect as President a candidate which will at least partly further their political philosophy versus voting for a candidate with no chance of winning and hence no furthering at all of their political philosophy.

So why can it be so hard to get conservatives/libertarians/freedom lovers to adapt the same philosophy?

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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 07:29:23 PM »
I heard something on the radio yesterday about how a large number of SDS/Weatherman radicals from the 1960s were solidly behind Obama (Rudd, Hayden, others).

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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2008, 07:31:38 PM »
So why can it be so hard to get conservatives/libertarians/freedom lovers to adapt the same philosophy?

No concept of strategy, apparently. A naivete that leads them to want to run at the machine guns and be mowed down while waving a banner, instead of actually planning a longer term strategy to flank the enemy.

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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 08:24:56 PM »
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While we do not endorse any particular candidates, we do endorse and join in the anti-Bush/anti-right wing sentiments that are driving so many people to activism.

Barack Obamas campaign has so far generated the most excitement, attracted the most votes, most volunteers and the most money. We think the basic reason for this is that his campaign has the clearest message of unity and progressive change, while having a real possibility for victory in November.
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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 12:42:35 AM »
So why can it be so hard to get conservatives/libertarians/freedom lovers to adapt the same philosophy?

No concept of strategy, apparently. A naivete that leads them to want to run at the machine guns and be mowed down while waving a banner, instead of actually planning a longer term strategy to flank the enemy.

Well, after July 4th, our house reconvenes to vote for or against a resolution giving the president the power to invade Iran. Care to guess what lines they are using to try to sell it?

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It is no surprise to me that the machine guns actually don't look so bad at the moment, I don't know how much time there is for a "flanking maneuver."





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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2008, 05:08:00 AM »
So why can it be so hard to get conservatives/libertarians/freedom lovers to adapt the same philosophy?

No concept of strategy, apparently. A naivete that leads them to want to run at the machine guns and be mowed down while waving a banner, instead of actually planning a longer term strategy to flank the enemy.

Well, after July 4th, our house reconvenes to vote for or against a resolution giving the president the power to invade Iran. Care to guess what lines they are using to try to sell it?

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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 05:50:37 AM »
Well, if you want to read it:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=hc110-362

I erred. It does have a clause which specifically states that it doesn't authorize use of force against Iran, however, I'm wary of what this will lead to. President Bush appears to be jumping at the chance to use force.

Then again, it also matters a great deal how Iran will perceive this.

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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 08:26:11 AM »
lol. What many over at RevLeft have to say about the CPUSA, http://www.revleft.com/vb/us-communists-ever-t82838/index.html http://www.revleft.com/vb/cpusa-fun-and-t82236/index.html?t=82236&

And to quote a few lines,
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The CPUSA's position in politics has been null and void since the 1950's, when they dumbed down their politics for McCarthy and gang.
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They are revisionist liberals. They are not revolutionary communists.

Irrelevant.
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Still, one million dollar renovations, lattes and macbooks? Perhaps they should have their next meeting at the local WholeFoods. What a bunch of pompous, lifestylist fools.


And some talks on Obama, http://www.revleft.com/vb/obamas-ties-big-t80080/index.html?t=80080
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In almost all bourgeois "democracies" there exist the "changing" hope which is filled with favorable rhetoric. The hope, is more than usually, a candidate from the capitalist class. Obama's rhetoric as history and his own statements show that he is no friend of the working-class. Voting for the "lesser evil" has been a excuse utilized for decades which has actually prolonged the capitalist system because there is always an excuse for each election. There is always a "lesser evil" which will follow similar policies as the other capitalist candidate.

Obama receives money from the same capitalists that fund Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Some of the ruling class members who fund Obama are top Exelon (which gave him more than $70,000) officials like Frank Clark & John W. Rogers Jr., Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Kirkland & Ellis & Rich Tarplin from Chevron. He has also received more than $200,000 from the oil and gas industry (most from the executives). I also remember reading somewhere that he received money from Warren Buffett.

On healthcare he rejects universal healthcare because he claims the employees of the health care industry will lose their jobs, such as BlueCross. And why wouldn't he oppose it? Why simply because in reality he'll lose his health care profits! Obama bought more than $50,000 in stocks in a pharmaceutical company.

When it comes to foreign policy, Obama has demonstrated that he supports the Free-Trade agreement. Heck, he said he won't give the Colombian peon, Uribe the agreement due to the murderous history that follows the Colombian capitalist state, the point is he rejects to free trade as if it was a positive gift. He has called Hugo Chavez a "dictator" despite Chavez being elected various times democratically through the institutions of the capitalist state and calls Cuban "dissidents" who are usually paid by the U.S., "heroes". One of the most revealing aspects of Obama's true intentions is his foreign policy adviser. Who exactly is his adviser? The ultra-reactionary Zbigniew Brzezinski who played a role in funding the counter-revolutionary Mujahidden who were trying to overthrow the Saur Revolution. Brzezinski also constructed the "Afghan Trap" which was a plan to draw the Soviets into the war by making the Soviets feel pressured.

Obviously there are many more reasons why Obama is not different from Clinton or McCain but this is the general gist. Also the whole ideological division of capitalist parties is a mere hoax, more than 25% of U.S. senators and congressmen have invested in companies contracted by the Department of Defense. This percentage includes Democrats (Hillary sold her defense industry stocks in May 2007) and Republicans who are making more than $700 million a day.

Like all capitalist candidates, they talk and talk but then continue to do what they're supposed to do and that is to maintain the ruling class in power.
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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 08:33:08 AM »
According to that poster, a member of Congress makes 496 million dollars per year on average. This seems... dubious.
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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2008, 08:40:30 AM »
President Bush appears to be jumping at the chance to use force.

 rolleyes  If I have to explain how idiotic that sounds...

I've lost track of all the things that have gone down over the past few years, that could easily have served as a pretext for "jumping at the chance to use force" in Iran.  If Bush were "jumping at the chance," why didn't he do it before the surge when:

a) we had fewer troops committed to Iraq
b) it could have been put forward as a solution to what then seemed a "guagmire" (since Iran is known to be causing us headaches in Iraq)
c) Bush had more than six months left in his term

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Or am I missing something?
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Re: Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2008, 08:30:07 PM »
Or am I missing something?

Obviously.  You don't seem to understand that we hates the Bush.  We take any change we can find to criticize him.  Ya see, the discussion of Obama's support amongst Marxists and communists provides a perfect opportunity to discuss Bush's warmongering.  Get it?