Trump vs. Pocahontas

[freakazoid]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/while-honoring-native-american-veterans-trump-lobs-his-favorite-native-american-insult/ar-BBFPJB0?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

While hosting an event honoring the Code Talkers, which apparently he is friends with one of them, Trump used the opportunity to blast Sen. Warren for her claims of Indian heritage by calling her Pocahontas. Apparently that makes him super racist and stuff.

In an interview on MSNBC shortly after Trump’s comments, Warren responded.

“It is deeply unfortunate,” she said, “that the president of the United States cannot even make it through a ceremony honoring these heroes without having to throw out a racial slur.”

Apparently it's now a "racial slur".

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders called Warren’s reply a “ridiculous response.”

“I think what most people find offensive is Senator Warren lying about her heritage to advance her career,” Sanders said. (Our fact-checkers didn’t find documented evidence that Warren had been advantaged by the claim.)

Because THAT is totally what should be taken out of this. I think they are burying the lead here.

This is hardly Trump’s only questionable comment about Native Americans. In 1993, Trump appeared at a congressional hearing held by the Native American Affairs Committee.

Trump was presented with past questionable comments about Native Americans by Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.).

MILLER: Is this you, discussing Indian blood: “We’re going to judge people by whether they have Indian blood whether they’re qualified to run a casino or not?”

TRUMP: That probably is me, absolutely. Because I’ll tell you what. If you look, if you look at some of the reservations that you’ve approved, that you, sir, in your great wisdom have approved, I will tell you right now — they don’t look like Indians to me. And they don’t look like the Indians . . . Now, maybe we say politically correct or not politically correct, they don’t look like Indians to me, and they don’t look like Indians to Indians.

And how exactly is that questionable?

Also noticed that they didn't get the opinions of the actual Code Talkers there.

[MechAg94]

I imagine the actual Indians dislike people lying about Indian heritage more than anyone else.  I figure they agree with the last commentary also.

[just Warren]

Yeah, you'd think she would have some reservation about tangling with Trump and all the colors of the win.

[MillCreek]

We have a couple of clinics adjacent to the Tulalip reservation and have many patients and a few employees from there.  I will ask around regarding 'Pocahontas' and how that label is received by female Native Americans.

[Andiron]

Yeah, you'd think she would have some reservation about tangling with Trump and all the colors of the win.

 

[Hawkmoon]

Press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders called Warren’s reply a “ridiculous response.”

“I think what most people find offensive is Senator Warren lying about her heritage to advance her career,” Sanders said. (Our fact-checkers didn’t find documented evidence that Warren had been advantaged by the claim.)

Pretty poor fact checkers, IMHO. I don't remember the statistics, but when the story of the false "fact" on her resume (where it had been for something like 20 years or more -- completely unbeknownst to her, of course) it was clear that her claim of Native American heritage HAD gotten her advantages on more than one occasion.

[Hawkmoon]

We have a couple of clinics adjacent to the Tulalip reservation and have many patients and a few employees from there.  I will ask around regarding 'Pocahontas' and how that label is received by female Native Americans.

Be sure to put it in context. IIRC, Trump usually calls Warren "Fauxcahontas." It's obvious in the context of this recent remark that he is not intending to demean Native American women, he is chiding Warren for falsely claiming to be a native American.

In fact, I wonder if he really said "Pocahontas," or if he said "Fauxcahontas" and the idiots of the press didn't catch the pun so they reported it as "Pocahontas."

{Edit to add]The Boston Herald gets it: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2017/11/carr_ok_fake_indian_time_to_either_give_up_the_claim_or_prove_it

It happened again yesterday — President Trump referred to the senior senator from Massachusetts as “Pocahontas,” and the alt-left media went into paroxysms of fake outrage, as if it’s somehow “racism” to call out a fraud like the Fake Indian.

Isn’t the left supposed to despise “cultural appropriation?” What greater cultural appropriation could there be than for Elizabeth Warren to have falsely claimed an ethnic heritage in order to win not one, but two tenured Ivy League law professorships she had absolutely no shot of ever getting until she checked the box?

[Ben]

I just saw that she is now using this in a fundraising campaign. "Trump called me a name, so give me money and elect me president!" Good qualifications. 

[Kingcreek]

Fauxahontas is a more appropriate label and shouldn't offend anyone but E Warren.

[Ben]

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2017/11/28/love-this-guy-navajo-code-talkers-take-on-trumps-pocahontas-joke-is-just-priceless/

[Unisaw]

Warren claims to be the first lawyer to have nursed a baby during the NJ bar exam.  In a National Review column, David French jokingly referred to her as “the Jackie Robinson of lactating lawyers.”  

[Fly320s]

Fauxahontas is a more appropriate label and shouldn't offend anyone but E Warren.

I'm pretty sure that Trump meant to say Fauxcahontas, but screwed it up.  He isn't exactly known for his silver tongue.

[just Warren]

His tongue is gold! He's talked to a lot of people and they say he has the very best tongue!

[p12]

Ingraham just interviewed Warren’s opponent. His slogan is he is the only “Indian” in the race. He is from India or a country overseas. He sent her a DNA test kit. I about woke my wife laughing.

Crap that is priceless!


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[p12]

Oh and then Ingraham plays a video of Warren explaining why she thinks she is from Indian decent:

Because he paw-pa had high cheek bones. You know like an Indian.

Her melt down was entertaining!


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[freakazoid]

Oh and then Ingraham plays a video of Warren explaining why she thinks she is from Indian decent:

Because he paw-pa had high cheek bones. You know like an Indian.

Her melt down was entertaining!


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[BobR]

^^^^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T0aVbOMmcI


bob

[Hawkmoon]

^^^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeyMbPAwgyg

When you get to around 3:35 or 3:40, notice how Warren's explanation is almost verbatim the same as in the first video. It's a script that she repeats like a parrot. Even the inflection is so much the same that it has to have been rehearsed.

[230RN]

Jeeze, there's so much funny in this thread...

"In a National Review column, David French jokingly referred to her as 'the Jackie Robinson of lactating lawyers.'"

I imagine the actual Indians dislike people lying about Indian heritage more than anyone else.
...

Yeah, like "Stolen Valor."

This whole thing about American Indian ancestry is very interesting, and reminded me of the "Ward Churchill" flap.

While he, Churchill, was fired from the University of Colorado faculty because of academic improprieties, a side issue on that dust-up was whether he had misrepresented his American Indian ancestry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill#Genealogy_and_Tribal_affiliation

One of the significant points to me was:

Documents in Churchill's university personnel file show that he was granted tenure in a "special opportunity position." In 1994, then CU-Boulder Chancellor James Corbridge refused to take action on allegations that Churchill was fraudulently claiming to be an Indian, saying "it has always been university policy that a person's race or ethnicity is self-proving."

 


Sooo, if I say I'm Native American and seek special treatment, who can say nay?  I just proved it by saying it.

The issue was more complicated than that in the Ward Churchill case, but I thought it was fascinating that a high-level academic (or his institution) could just accept someone's word that they deserved special treatment because of their special ethnicity.



Heh.  Maybe the Tribes ought to issue Challenge Coins or something.

Terrance I, The Right And Just King Of England, 230RN

Edited to Add:  Found there is a King Terrance:
http://barbiemovies.wikia.com/wiki/King_Terrance



Laughed my ass off over that.

(Edited for spelling)

[RoadKingLarry]

Oklahoma has the 2nd highest population of Native Americans, or as Native Americans refer to themselves - Indians.
It's always been a bit of a game here. When I was in school they would send around forms to claim Indian heritage, the teachers told us that if we had ever head of some Indian ancestry that was good enough. The schools got more federal funding for more injuns.

My wife is documented/CDIB Cherokee descent so her and the kids get a few bennies, tribe provided hunting and fishing licenses, they can get tribal license plates at a reduced cost and if desperate can go to the Indian hospital which seems to be a bit better than the VA.

My family has some anecdotal evidence for indian blood but nothing concrete so I don't claim to have " a little bit of indian in me" but I will claim to to have a had some of me in a little indian.

[230RN]

My family has some anecdotal evidence for indian blood but nothing concrete so I don't claim to have "a little bit of indian in me" but I will claim to have some of me in a little indian. [Edited slightly.]

In a way, I can claim to be Indian, sort of.  In Grammar School (PS 173 in New York), I used to pal around with a genuine Southwest Indian whose father sort of commuted back and forth from the southwest to NY and sold Indian and Western artifacts he had collected to museums and southwestern aficionados.

Anyhow, one day in the wilds of what later became Cunningham Park, we imitated the legendary blood brother ceremony by nicking our fingers and mixing our blood.

But, you know, it was just kid stuff, we were ten or eleven years old, and I doubt that he had "authority" to perform any such  ceremony at that age.

At any rate, we lost touch since his father decided to move the whole family back out west.  But I always remembered that little faux blood brother ceremony and the name he gave me, "Shining Feather."

Now keep in mind, I never actually claimed to be an Indian, but that incident has stuck in my mind forever as an amusing "kids imitating adults" kind of thing.

Blond, blue-eyed paleface Terry, 230RN

[grampster]

"My family has some anecdotal evidence for indian blood but nothing concrete so I don't claim to have " a little bit of indian in me" but I will claim to to have a had some little of me in a little indian."

FIFY   

[HankB]

Ms. Warren proudly proclaimed that she contributed recipes to a book called (wait for it) . . . Pow Wow Chow.

Thing is, the recipes she contributed weren't exactly Cherokee . . . nor were they actually original, being word-for-word copies of a famous French chef's recipes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146628/Elizabeth-Warrens-Pow-Wow-Chow-Cherokee-recipes-word-word-COPIES-famous-FRENCH-chefs-techniques.html

This just keeps getting better and better. 

(By the way, having been born in Chicago which at least WAS part of the USA at one time, I myself claim to be a Native American.)