Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on August 05, 2021, 05:45:27 PM
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Meteor.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/05/it-felt-like-a-meteor-had-struck-the-earth-reporter-describes-his-experience-firing-an-ar-15-at-the-range/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8CPfveVEA0jENq?format=png&name=medium)
Also:
https://youtu.be/ttMuvmspa8o
https://youtu.be/-kNZsrlct9s
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I just read that in another site. These people are idiots.
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Next time give He-Man a short barrel AR or better yet a short barrel PSL with a brake in an indoor range next to the wall.
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Right after this "journalist" got done complaining about the AR, they should have handed him a Kimber Hunter with 180gr 30-06 Elk loads.
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Loan him my old M-44 carbine for indoor fun. Quick, someone hand him a 342 or something. This poor thing is going to be famous.
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Awww - just give him a big 'ol elephant gun. Preferably a double. And tell him to pull both triggers at once. While holding the stock an inch away from his shoulder so the gun will slow down before it hits him.
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ARs are pretty loud. I bet with a sound suppressor on it he would have a much better time.
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ARs are pretty loud. I bet with a sound suppressor on it he would have a much better time.
Are they louder than a Mini-14? About the same? (I don't know) My Mini has quite a bark to it. I wouldn't call it "concussive" tho'.
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Are they louder than a Mini-14? About the same? (I don't know) My Mini has quite a bark to it. I wouldn't call it "concussive" tho'.
Shooting mil-spec 5.56 rounds in an AR is a little bit louder than shooting 223 in a Mini 14 which IIRC you're not suppose to shoot 5.56 in only 223. 5.56 is a little hotter than 223. It's not much but noticeable. If both 223 the same unless the AR has a brake in which case a lot of the blast is directed to the rear and you will notice a big difference. It's quite noticeable indoors.
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You know the world is entirely too soft when such a pussy makes it to adult hood
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He wrote the story the way he did to further the narrative that no one should be allowed to own such firearms. He was deliberately trying to intimidate his readers, cause them to fear AR pattern rifles. That was his plan from the start.
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Shooting mil-spec 5.56 rounds in an AR is a little bit louder than shooting 223 in a Mini 14 which IIRC you're not suppose to shoot 5.56 in only 223. 5.56 is a little hotter than 223. It's not much but noticeable. If both 223 the same unless the AR has a brake in which case a lot of the blast is directed to the rear and you will notice a big difference. It's quite noticeable indoors.
I shoot milspec 5.56 in mine. I think the manual said 5.56 was fine for all Minis except the target models. Mine is a law enforcement GB model; it might even have a bayonet lug under the front sight, I'm not sure.
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You know the world is entirely too soft when such a pussy makes it to adult hood
I wonder how many of them are pussies and how many of them are just writing crap like that for the liberal target audience? I mean, he seemed to fire the pistol okay. A 5.56 should be much easier with the ability to brace it, and I mean, I posted those video links of little girls shooting ARs like nothing. A grown man male, even a pussy, should be stronger than an 8 year old.
I guess it could be 50/50 though, pussy/liar.
EDIT: Rocketman posted my thoughts as I was typing.
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I'd love to let him touch off a few black powder rounds out of my 1874 Sharps .45-70.
70 gr 2F under a 525 gr cast bullet.
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I wonder how many of them are pussies and how many of them are just writing crap like that for the liberal target audience? I mean, he seemed to fire the pistol okay. A 5.56 should be much easier with the ability to brace it, and I mean, I posted those video links of little girls shooting ARs like nothing. A grown man male, even a pussy, should be stronger than an 8 year old.
I guess it could be 50/50 though, pussy/liar.
EDIT: Rocketman posted my thoughts as I was typing.
A 5.56 is certainly loud enough to make you flinch if you have just marginal hearing protection. (so is .30 Carbine.) The recoil is just enough to let you know it's there -- should not be a problem for any adult.
I think the 50/50 thing is probably about right :)
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I shoot milspec 5.56 in mine. I think the manual said 5.56 was fine for all Minis except the target models. Mine is a law enforcement GB model; it might even have a bayonet lug under the front sight, I'm not sure.
I just checked their website and they say 5.56 on current Minis. I know at one time Mini 14s had 223 chambers. Not sure when they changed it.
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I hadn't realized there were braces for the Keltec CP33. I need to get one of those.
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I wonder what they gave that guy. As far as I know the only HK rifle that comes with a scope is their 7.62 long range package.
Was it a rental MR556 with a scope, or a test drive of a new gun, like he seemed to think it was? Also even at current prices $1 a round for range 5.56 is kinda steep.
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I shoot milspec 5.56 in mine. I think the manual said 5.56 was fine for all Minis except the target models. Mine is a law enforcement GB model; it might even have a bayonet lug under the front sight, I'm not sure.
I thought a Mini-14 sounded louder also. Maybe it was partly the style of action and no muzzle device on my Dad's Mini. It dates back to the 70's. I just got a new recoil spring so I will try it again.
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Regardless of all else, shooting an AR in an indoor range is going to be loud. If all he had were ~20dB rated muffs, it would be loud.
Also, if it was a pistol style with a muzzle brake, I can certainly understand the shock wave analogy. 7.62x39 out of a 12" barrel with a brake will rattle your teeth and that was outdoors (VZ58 pistol).
Still not excuse for all the dramatics.
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So when Henry Parro opened the state's first indoor shooting range in Waterbury in late June, I didn't pay it much mind.
First indoor range in Vermont? Is that true?
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I wonder what they gave that guy. As far as I know the only HK rifle that comes with a scope is their 7.62 long range package.
Was it a rental MR556 with a scope, or a test drive of a new gun, like he seemed to think it was? Also even at current prices $1 a round for range 5.56 is kinda steep.
Good point. In the original article, he's the one who said it was an AR, but he also said it was a $3500 gun. Either or both of those could be incorrect. Not that you can't find a $3500 AR, but I'd expect them to give a new guy an M&P 15 or something.
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SCAR 17s get up there
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I just checked their website and they say 5.56 on current Minis. I know at one time Mini 14s had 223 chambers. Not sure when they changed it.
Not sure when they changed it, but my ranch rifle is a 551-xxx serial number built in the mid/late 2000s (I got it before Obama took office, so 2007 or 2008), and it has a 5.56 chamber. IIRC the 550-xxx serial number range that started in 2005 is about when they retooled the Mini-14 line, so they might have changed it around then.
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Awww - just give him a big 'ol elephant gun. Preferably a double. And tell him to pull both triggers at once. While holding the stock an inch away from his shoulder so the gun will slow down before it hits him.
My shoulder started to turn black and blue just from reading this.
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https://youtu.be/-kNZsrlct9s
She really did. At 0:18 she actually said, "Okay, now I'm going to go full semi-auto." Her parents are definitely raising her properly.
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Next time give He-Man a short barrel AR or better yet a short barrel PSL with a brake in an indoor range next to the wall.
Or a Mosin-Nagant carbine in 7.62x54R
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I wonder how many of them are pussies and how many of them are just writing crap like that for the liberal target audience?
The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Or a Mosin-Nagant carbine in 7.62x54R
Mosin carbines are 20", no brake.
Seen cut down PSLs (7.62x54R) with 14" barrels with the original brake welded back on to meet legal length. Out doors they will give you sinus headaches, indoors........
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Meteor.
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/05/it-felt-like-a-meteor-had-struck-the-earth-reporter-describes-his-experience-firing-an-ar-15-at-the-range/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8CPfveVEA0jENq?format=png&name=medium)
Also:
https://youtu.be/ttMuvmspa8o
https://youtu.be/-kNZsrlct9s
Somebody set that little wuss up with a Mosin.
---edit to add---
I see about every third poster has that same idea.
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Or a Mosin-Nagant carbine in 7.62x54R
There was some czech or other eastern euro crap that was marked yellow. Heavy ball i think it was. Heavy fireball more like it. Awful to shoot indoors. For ARs the AK brakes that were a fad twenty years ago made things off to the side rather abusive.
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I make muzzle brakes. I figure he had a hella fireball and a lot of concussion, but damn little recoil.
I'd also like to see him shoot a 10.5 pound competition benchrest rifle - we would usually shoot them free recoil. Shooting "only" a 6mm 68 grain bullet moving at 3,420 fps... Yeah it hits your shoulder. If the little ladies can do that, so can you.
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Good point. In the original article, he's the one who said it was an AR, but he also said it was a $3500 gun. Either or both of those could be incorrect. Not that you can't find a $3500 AR, but I'd expect them to give a new guy an M&P 15 or something.
He said it was an HK. I think you can get an MR556A1 up to $3500, but it'd be a stretch. HK doesn't have all that many AR15 type rifles on their website, and the only one with a scope is 7.62. ( https://hk-usa.com/product/rifles/ ) A 16.5" barreled 7.62 inside is probably pretty loud. I've never touched of one of mine in an indoor range.
Also, as I mentioned, he said in the article that he paid $59.99 for 60 rounds of rifle ammo. While I've seen 5.56 that expensive, I could see that being range sold 7.62 as well.
I suspect the subtleties of AR15 type vs. AR10 type would be lost on the author.
ETA: Nope, I stand corrected. A google search shows me that the going rate for an HK MR556A1 with flip up sights is $3499. Fuuuuuuck. I don't know which is worse, HK thinking their knockoff AR is worth $3500, or the HK fanbois that pay that *expletive deleted*it. But that's almost certainly what they handed the reporter from the available evidence. So he was that stressed from a 16" 5.56 with a flash suppressor. [shakes head] For anyone that wants to know, an HK AR10 is $6700 and comes with a Leupold 3-9 VX-R Patrol.
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Who was that idiot a couple of years ago who cried about getting PTSD from firing an AR-15?
Made him the laughing stock of the internet for a couple of months...
YOU WEREN'T THERE, MAN! YOU WEREN'T THERE!
Ah! Gersh Kuntzman. Aka weiner wussy boy.
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I still remember years ago the day I spent at the range as a new shooter, shooting untold rounds through my buddies Garand.
I'm fine with the pop pop pop of an AR.
Shooting classic battle rifles was an eye opener.
I'm pretty decent size guy but I'm just not a fan of recoil.
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I still remember years ago the day I spent at the range as a new shooter, shooting untold rounds through my buddies Garand.
I'm fine with the pop pop pop of an AR.
Shooting classic battle rifles was an eye opener.
I'm pretty decent size guy but I'm just not a fan of recoil.
I'm wimpy about plenty of stuff, but I've never had an issue with recoil. I haven't shot ginormous rounds, but 12ga 3.5", .300mag, .338mag, and similar have never really bothered me. Maybe my shoulder shape is just right to absorb recoil.
Of course I haven't fired the .577 T-Rex yet. =D
https://youtu.be/-EVqT3XEzss
(and yes, I know the video shows untrained people and people exaggerating the recoil)
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I'm wimpy about plenty of stuff, but I've never had an issue with recoil. I haven't shot ginormous rounds, but 12ga 3.5", .300mag, .338mag, and similar have never really bothered me. Maybe my shoulder shape is just right to absorb recoil.
Of course I haven't fired the .577 T-Rex yet. =D
https://youtu.be/-EVqT3XEzss
(and yes, I know the video shows untrained people and people exaggerating the recoil)
I almost posted that video.
But yeah, there's another version of that video where at the end someone who knows how to hold a high power rifle properly makes it look like he's shooting a Cricket 22 in comparison.
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I almost posted that video.
But yeah, there's another version of that video where at the end someone who knows how to hold a high power rifle properly makes it look like he's shooting a Cricket 22 in comparison.
I don't know what the background is regarding all the arabs shooting it, but if you look past the shooting and watch their forms, most of these guys are either leaning back, or else they're holding the rifle with noodle arms, or both, setting themselves up to lose control. It's almost like those videos of the crappy boyfriends getting their girlfriends to shoot a pistol grip 12 gauge.
https://youtu.be/vwHs4DtQU3I
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It's almost like those videos of the crappy boyfriends getting their girlfriends to shoot a pistol grip 12 gauge.
https://youtu.be/vwHs4DtQU3I
Remember, it's wrong to beat your wife. That's why you let your guns do it for you.
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577 Tyrannosaur
750 gr (49 g) Monolithic solid 2,480 ft/s (760 m/s) 10,240 ft⋅lbf (13,880 J)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.577_Tyrannosaur
For comparison
.223
Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy
36 gr (2 g) JHP 3,750 ft/s (1,140 m/s) 959 ft⋅lbf (1,300 J)
55 gr (4 g) Nosler ballistic tip 3,240 ft/s (990 m/s) 1,265 ft⋅lbf (1,715 J)
60 gr (4 g) Nosler partition 3,160 ft/s (960 m/s) 1,325 ft⋅lbf (1,796 J)
69 gr (4 g) BTHP 2,950 ft/s (900 m/s) 1,338 ft⋅lbf (1,814 J)
77 gr (5 g) BTHP 2,750 ft/s (840 m/s) 1,301 ft⋅lb
308
Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy
125 gr (8 g) Spitzer 3,100 ft/s (940 m/s) 2,668 ft⋅lbf (3,617 J)
150 gr (10 g) Nosler tip 2,820 ft/s (860 m/s) 2,648 ft⋅lbf (3,590 J)
168 gr (11 g) BTHP 2,650 ft/s (810 m/s) 2,619 ft⋅lbf (3,551 J)
175 gr (11 g) BTHP 2,645 ft/s (806 m/s) 2,718 ft⋅lbf (3,685 J)
185 gr (12 g) Lapua Mega JSP 2,510 ft/s (770 m/s) 2,588 ft⋅lbf (3,509 J)
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Though the Air Force has done away with annual rifle qual, my base used to have a Security Forces "augmentee" program, as well as being nice enough to invite anyone to come to the range with SF if they have lanes available. Most of these Air Guard weirdos won't even go to the range when the ammo is free! So I've qualified almost every year regardless.
Anyway, I've seen plenty of women who were 100 lbs soaking wet qualify with the M4, no problem. This includes the burst fire portion at the end. As for me, a few rounds of 3" 12-gauge is enough to get my attention, or a whole day out with .308. The most recoil I've experienced was a lightweight Savage .30-06. That hurt.
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Anyway, I've seen plenty of women who were 100 lbs soaking wet qualify with the M4, no problem.
Wet t-shirt qualifications? Surprised you didn't get #MeToo'ed.
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My Dad gave me his old Interarms 300 Win Mag. That has some kick. I got a muzzle brake added. No significant recoil, but the muzzle blast was just nuts. Not sure if I want to pay someone to re-barrel it. It never was accurate enough to justify the cost of shooting it.
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My worst recoil experience, hands down, was a .505 Gibbs. It was awful. It didn't fit me particularly well, which doubtless made a lot of recoil a LOT worse.
By comparison the .470 Ferlach was a relative pussycat.
Nearly as bad as the Gibbs was a 12 gauge slug out of my Ithaca Model 37 Featherlight. But that one I just threw the shotgun to my shoulder and pulled the trigger. Didn't get any sort of weld or mount, and I paid for it.
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Just reading about these big boomers makes my shoulder hurt.
I can manage .22 rf right handed but anything more energetic is right out.
I'm not even real confident about left handed shooting because I can't get my right hand/arm under the rifle for proper support. I've got a lead sled but not practical for hunting. Need to look into a monopoly or bipod setup.
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Wet t-shirt qualifications? Surprised you didn't get #MeToo'ed.
It's the 21st Century, the guys compete too.