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McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« on: October 18, 2008, 11:56:53 AM »
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/18/mccain-compares-obamas-tax-policies-socialism/

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John McCain on Saturday kept up his attacks on Barack Obama's tax policies, saying that he would turn the IRS into a giant welfare agency and likened his economic plan to socialism.
"At least in Europe, the Socialist leaders who so admire my opponent are upfront about their objectives," McCain said in a radio address. "They use real numbers and honest language. And we should demand equal candor from Sen. Obama. Raising taxes on some in order to give checks to others is not a tax cut; it's just another government giveaway."
McCain leveled the charge before a pair of appearances aimed at restoring his lead in critical battleground states. In both North Carolina and Virginia, where McCain was to speak later in the day, his campaign has surrendered its lead to Obama in various polls. President Bush, a Republican, won both states in 2004.
The state dips mimic larger national trends that have given Obama a lead over McCain following Wall Street chaos that focused the race on who is best equipped to restore the economy.
On Sunday, McCain was to travel to Ohio, where he might appear with "Joe the Plumber," the Holland, Ohio, plumber Joe Wurzelbacher whom the senator has been portraying as emblematic of people with concerns about Obama's tax plans.
Wurzelbacher became the focal point of the final presidential debate after he met Obama earlier in the week and said the Democrat's tax proposal could keep him from buying the two-man plumbing company where he works. However, reports of Wurzelbacher's annual earnings suggest he would receive a tax cut rather than an increase under Obama's plan.
Obama has said his tax policies would cut payments for 95 percent of working Americans, while increasing them only for families making more than $250,000 a year. McCain has argued that 40 percent of Americans don't pay income taxes, either because they are seniors or don't meet minimum earnings thresholds, so the only way to cut their taxes is to give them various credits.
"In other words, Barack Obama's tax plan would convert the IRS into a giant welfare agency, redistributing massive amounts of wealth at the direction of politicians in Washington," McCain said in the radio address.
An Obama spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Finally!  Somebody calls Obama on his North Korean economic model.


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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2008, 12:22:45 PM »
It's good, but it's probably too little, too late. This will be seen as the dirty politics of a desperate campaign.
Personally, I do not understand how a bunch of people demanding a bigger govt can call themselves anarchist.
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 12:24:10 PM »
That ship sailed decades ago.  We already are socialist. It's now just a matter of how far we end up going.  
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2008, 01:16:48 PM »
You can't win with "ism" attacks.  You can win by concretizing the results, and it's taken until now for McCain to start doing that.  Whether it takes him to the White House is another story...

Now, remind me, wasn't there a guy named Barry Goldwater about a hundred years ago who talked about a "negative income tax?"  Or am I hallucinating?
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2008, 03:13:02 PM »
No, he talked about a flat income tax.
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2008, 10:34:44 PM »
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That ship sailed decades ago.  We already are socialist. It's now just a matter of how far we end up going.

All the way to the bottom, like every other socialist vessel.
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2008, 12:43:02 AM »
All the way to the bottom, like every other socialist vessel.

Does the world end on 2008?
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2008, 02:19:17 AM »
"To many Americans, the idea of a guaranteed income smacks suspiciously of a dole to people who refuse to get a job. Others argue that this would not be the case with a guaranteed-income scheme called the "negative income tax." Intended to preserve at least some incentive to work, the proposal has at tracted remarkably disparate support —ranging from University of Chicago Economist Milton Friedman, a 1964 adviser to Barry Goldwater, to Yale's James Tobin, a former economic adviser to President Kennedy. Last week the idea got a big boost from inside the business community when Ford Motor Co. President Arjay Miller endorsed it as a key step toward 'the elimination of poverty.'"

from Time Magazine, 12.8.67
« Last Edit: October 22, 2008, 02:11:46 AM by longeyes »
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2008, 03:27:58 AM »
CNN put "socialist" in quotes.

They are so in the tank for Obama, they could have their own damned aquarium.

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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2008, 09:42:46 AM »
I view most everything that CNN says on their broadcasts with a grain of salt.

The country turned socialist with FDR. At this point, it is just a matter of how far we shift in that direction.  But McCain speaks the truth from my perspective.  He is just too late in his attacks.  McCain was too much the gentleman.  He played and is playing the general election campaign much like he did the primary when he didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.  Prepare for President Obama.  Between election day and January, I suspect there won't be a AR that is on the shelf that has not sold if it is priced "pre-obama".
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2008, 10:42:26 AM »
Between election day and January, I suspect there won't be a AR that is on the shelf that has not sold if it is priced "pre-obama".

AR? Absolutely everything that is semiauto and has a magazine.

I am afraid the next four years are going to be...interesting. In the sense of the Chinese curse.

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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2008, 12:37:42 PM »
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At this point, it is just a matter of how far we shift in that direction.

Why can't we stop it?
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2008, 12:40:14 PM »
Comparing Obama to a socialist is like comparing cowpies to manure  =(
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2008, 02:13:14 AM »
We can stop it by by refusing to be part of it.

We are not compelled to go along with any system.

« Last Edit: October 22, 2008, 10:35:41 AM by longeyes »
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2008, 10:40:35 AM »
That ship sailed decades ago.  We already are socialist. It's now just a matter of how far we end up going.  

Ships have rudders to change course.

They also occasionally have mutinies....


...just sayin'...
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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2008, 11:27:36 AM »
Ships have rudders to change course.

They also occasionally have mutinies....


...just sayin'...

i can haz mew-tny k thx bai

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Re: McCain Compares Obama's Tax Policies to Socialism
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