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Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« on: October 25, 2008, 06:35:43 PM »
Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says

ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico (CNN) -- With 10 days until Election Day, long-brewing tensions between GOP vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin and key aides to Sen. John McCain have become so intense, they are spilling out in public, sources say.

Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."

A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.

McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.

A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.

"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.

"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."

A Palin associate defended her, saying that she is "not good at process questions" and that her comments on Michigan and the robocalls were answers to process questions.

But this Palin source acknowledged that Palin is trying to take more control of her message, pointing to last week's impromptu news conference on a Colorado tarmac.

Tracey Schmitt, Palin's press secretary, was urgently called over after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking. Schmitt tried several times to end the unscheduled session.

"We acknowledge that perhaps she should have been out there doing more," a different Palin adviser recently said, arguing that "it's not fair to judge her off one or two sound bites" from the network interviews.

The Politico reported Saturday on Palin's frustration, specifically with McCain advisers Nicolle Wallace and Steve Schmidt. They helped decide to limit Palin's initial press contact to high-profile interviews with Charlie Gibson of ABC and Katie Couric of CBS, which all McCain sources admit were highly damaging.

In response, Wallace e-mailed CNN the same quote she gave the Politico: "If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most honorable thing to do is to lie there."

But two sources, one Palin associate and one McCain adviser, defended the decision to keep her press interaction limited after she was picked, both saying flatly that she was not ready and that the missteps could have been a lot worse.

They insisted that she needed time to be briefed on national and international issues and on McCain's record.

Schmitt came to the back of the plane Saturday to deliver a statement to traveling reporters: "Unnamed sources with their own agenda will say what they want, but from Gov. Palin down, we have one agenda, and that's to win on Election Day."

Yet another senior McCain adviser lamented the public recriminations.

"This is what happens with a campaign that's behind; it brings out the worst in people, finger-pointing and scapegoating," this senior adviser said.

This adviser also decried the double standard, noting that Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, has gone off the reservation as well, most recently by telling donors at a fundraiser that America's enemies will try to "test" Obama.

Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual; vice presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with the top of the ticket.

John Edwards and his inner circle repeatedly questioned Sen. John Kerry's strategy in 2004, and Kerry loyalists repeatedly aired in public their view that Edwards would not play the traditional attack dog role with relish because he wanted to protect his future political interests.

Even in a winning campaign like Bill Clinton's, some of Al Gore's aides in 1992 and again in 1996 questioned how Gore was being scheduled for campaign events.

Jack Kemp's aides distrusted the Bob Dole camp and vice versa, and Dan Quayle loyalists had a list of gripes remarkably similar to those now being aired by Gov. Palin's aides.

With the presidential race in its final days and polls suggesting that McCain's chances of pulling out a win are growing slim, Palin may be looking after her own future.

"She's no longer playing for 2008; she's playing 2012," Democratic pollster Peter Hart said. "And the difficulty is, when she went on 'Saturday Night Live,' she became a reinforcement of her caricature. She never allowed herself to be vetted, and at the end of the day, voters turned against her both in terms of qualifications and personally."

CNN's Ed Hornick contributed to this report.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 06:39:18 PM »
those calls are irritatingo

i hate the political "professionals" who run washington.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 06:39:59 PM »
Perhaps she just realizes that the "bipartisan neocon Democrat Lite play-nice play-stupid" act IS STUPID AND WILL CAUSE A LOSS!

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2008, 06:42:05 PM »
Perhaps she just realizes that the "bipartisan neocon Democrat Lite play-nice play-stupid" act IS STUPID AND WILL CAUSE A LOSS!

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2008, 06:46:17 PM »
McCain could have unleashed her and taken the high road against socialism and probably won the election with a lot to spare, and maybe some coattails. Now it will take luck to eke out a victory and he will be lucky if he does win not to have a veto proof congress.

A large segment of the american people are just begging for some moral leadership right now, and neither side is giving it. That gives a big advantage to the political side that believes there is no such thing as right or wrong.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2008, 06:53:09 PM »
MB, how about a little favor from you next time...

We call it "drive-by" posting when one simply cuts and pastes a media article, with no substantive input from the poster.

I see this one as no different.  Perhaps we can change that in the future? 
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 07:04:53 PM »
Sorry, 'boss. I really have no opinion on this one - apart from how I am instinctively disgusted, but I could be wrong. I hoped the better-informed posters would explain the workings of this, but so far people seem to be sharing my reaction.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 08:29:27 PM »
If she were at the head of the ticket, I'd vote Republican.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2008, 08:48:59 PM »
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after Palin wandered over to the press and started talking

This is a very clear demonstration of the power of words to create meaning in the minds of the reader.

contrast with:

after Palin approached the press to hold an impromptu Q and A.

One implies a childish lack of discipline, the other a confident politico taking advantage of an opportunity.

The worst thing is the reporter, if typical, probably wouldn't understand what their choice of words does.

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2008, 08:56:31 PM »
Oh no. It's deliberate.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2008, 09:11:05 PM »
Yeah, it is deliberate.

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 12:51:03 AM »
I was against her being chosen as McCain's VP not because of her, but I didn't want her to get hitched to McCain's horseless cart.

She needs to go off the Reservation and tell the truth rather than a canned message. Sarah Palin's best appeal is that she isn't really a politician and she's far from being an elitist.

She's an everyday person who know's what it's like to just be an average everyday working person with bills and family issues just like the rest of us. Something that His Holiness and McCain have no clue about.

She really dosen't need or want the job.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 09:32:09 AM »
Go, Sarah, go!  Embarrass McCain.  Make him justify his blather.  Call him on his two faced drilling position.  We need the services of a wrecking ball and you are as close as it gets.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2008, 09:36:42 AM »
Also, it's so reassuring to see that the Stupid Party is concerning itself more with her going off script than it is in effectively fighting Obama's blatant socialism and the outright vote fraud going on.

Why the hell can't the Republicans do more than throw a gutterball anymore?

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2008, 10:52:56 AM »
Also, it's so reassuring to see that the Stupid Party is concerning itself more with her going off script than it is in effectively fighting Obama's blatant socialism and the outright vote fraud going on.

Why the hell can't the Republicans do more than throw a gutterball anymore?

The words 'Moral cowardice' come to mind.

Or, in LNS' immortal words: "If there were a generic one-word expression for one "whose fear of the uncertainties of success moves him to surrender at the very moment of victory", it would be "Republican".
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2008, 11:23:49 AM »
Isn't there a politics subforum around here somewhere?  I was sure we had one ;/

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2008, 05:51:03 PM »
You're right, Grandpa Shooter. How come Gewehr98 didn't think of that? ;)

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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2008, 07:02:54 PM »
Sometimes there are stories that provoke and beg for comment and should be called to the attention of the forumites.

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Yet another article with unnamed sources.  Tread warily.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2008, 10:17:42 PM »
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The words 'Moral cowardice' come to mind.

Or, in LNS' immortal words: "If there were a generic one-word expression for one "whose fear of the uncertainties of success moves him to surrender at the very moment of victory", it would be "Republican".


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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2008, 11:15:33 PM »
It sounds to me like campaign people such as this are one of the reasons McCain is not leading this race. 
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2008, 11:53:49 PM »
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You're right, Grandpa Shooter. How come Gewehr98 didn't think of that?

Yeah, sorry about that.  I get task-saturated at times...   =D
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2008, 07:05:54 AM »
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2008, 02:40:00 PM »
She's gone rogue?  That's funny.  They mean she hasn't become an emasculated RhINO like all too many in the Grumpy Old Party. 

Palin's charm is she won't follow "the script" and hasn't yet been "re-educated" to Play The Game.  In her lies some hope for the future.
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2008, 02:56:24 PM »
Palin's charm is she won't follow "the script" and hasn't yet been "re-educated" to Play The Game. 
Uh oh . . . that sounds suspiciously as if she's trying to win. Can't have that . . .
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Re: Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2008, 03:50:09 PM »
Palin seems to have more balls than all of the "advisers" combined.
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