2001: Obama: "Tragedy that resditribution of wealth not pursued"

[RadioFreeSeaLab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
Listen to it.  He's a marxist. 

[longeyes]

Most of the people who support Obama don't know, and don't care, what he really stands for.  That is the  reality of this Election. 

[Perd Hapley]

At first, this sounded like the perfect October Surprise.  But then I remembered that people would actually have to think about what he's saying.   

He also makes clear his disagreement with the Founders, that they dealt only in negative rights, and didn't codify "what the state must do on your behalf." 

Too bad Obama couldn't be there to straighten them all out.   

[Waitone]

I would bet most O'Bama supporters (much less the majority of McCain supporters) have no clue what a marxist is.

[Manedwolf]

I would bet most O'Bama supporters (much less the majority of McCain supporters) have no clue what a marxist is.

Some do.

The Decemberists, a band that plays at lots of Obama rallies, opens everytime with the Soviet national anthem. The Obamatons cheer.

[MechAg94]

He also makes clear his disagreement with the Founders, that they dealt only in negative rights, and didn't codify "what the state must do on your behalf." 

IMO, it also shows he has no understanding of what the FF were trying to accomplish.  He doesn't see govt as a necessary evil, but as a benevolent tool.  He doesn't see the lessons of history.  He is arrogant enough to think HE can do it better.

[Boomhauer]

IMO, it also shows he has no understanding of what the FF were trying to accomplish.  He doesn't see govt as a necessary evil, but as a benevolent tool.  He doesn't see the lessons of history.  He is arrogant enough to think HE can do it better.

That's the attitude of every leftist.

It hasn't worked because the right people (I) have not been in charge yet.

[K Frame]

Well, come the revolution, at least we'll be the ones with the guns. 

[longeyes]

To paraphrase Paddy Chayevsky, in the never more timely NETWORK: "Obama IS television."

He is the ultimate expression of a cool, hypnotic medium that will end with comfort-first collectivism.

[HankB]

The Founders dealt in so-called "negative rights" because every other alternative meant imposing an obligation or burden on others - and the only way to do this is involuntarily, through force and coercion.

In other words, by structurally institutionalizing a tyrannical slave state.

Which is a large part of why the American Revolution was fought in the first place.

[makattak]

That's the attitude of every leftist.

It hasn't worked because the right people (I) have not been in charge yet.

Actually, I'd love to write the book "The Fatal Conceit" except Hayek beat me to it.

He missed it though. He thought the fatal conceit was that socialism is possible.

He was wrong, the fatal conceit is: No REALLY, it's possible, everyone else who tried to implement it before are morons! I can do it!

[Perd Hapley]

The Decemberists, a band that plays at lots of Obama rallies, opens everytime with the Soviet national anthem. The Obamatons cheer.

Where did you learn this?

[Monkeyleg]

Funny, if I head on over to CNN.com, I see no mention of this story. I saw an edited clip of the Biden interview (the portion that made him look the best), but that's about it. I've seen no mention of this tape or the Biden interview in the newspapers, either. Why is that?

Nevertheless, the 2001 tape as well as the Biden interview must have had an effect, because the Obama campaign is screaming.

Too bad the undecideds probably won't hear this stuff.

[De Selby]

I do like his point about laziness in the face of Supreme Court and other legal action-this is something the gun community would do well to heed in the post-Heller world.

Political organization and activism to obtain leverage for one's particular cause is what effects change, not lazy reliance on a relatively ambivalent court system for increasingly non-specific rulings on constitutional rights.

The "spread the wealth around" and "redistributive change" lines are not shaking up the race because both candidates have already thrown their weight behind a $700 billion dollar government redistribution program-it's simply a hollow attack from either candidate at this point.

Basically, to exploit this history of Obama's, McCain would have to convince people that welfare for gigantic banks and other corporations is a justifiable redistributive scheme, but that social programs are not-that I think he will find an impossible task, as will the conservative movement generally for the next few terms.

[Monkeyleg]

Shootinstudent, I don't think too many on this forum would argue your point about the bailout. Nor would many deny that our country long ago embraced socialism, from the New Deal to the Great Society to federal aid to local schools.

What many find shocking about these Obama revelations is that he appears to have embraced--and perhaps still does--socialism in its entirety. One could argue that this is no more than the "boil the frog" analogy, but there's still the concern that Obama could move this country more quickly toward real socialism than the public is ready to accept, to the extent the public realizes how socialist our country has become.

If this were not an issue, the Obama campaign would not be screaming about it. The interview, coming on the heels of Biden's interview, is throwing the campaign off balance in its stroll to victory.