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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Balog on October 21, 2014, 04:28:41 PM
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http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/2014/NHTSA-issues-advanced-notice-of-proposed-rulemaking-on-V2V-communications
I admit I have never heard of this tech before now.
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Just wait till a hacker figures out how to get into it. [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
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Isn't the middle finger the traditional V2V communication device?
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So, TCAS for cars. I figured it would happen some day.
More ways to reduce driver ability to the minimum level.
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You think road rage is an issue now, just wait until people can trade insults without rolling down their windows.
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You think road rage is an issue now, just wait until people can trade insults without rolling down their windows.
http://www.kleargear.com/1904.html (http://www.kleargear.com/1904.html)
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If we are going to have automated cars, we need more technology to allow cops to takeover your car. Also for hackers to do the same.
Can you imagine the new method for assassination? Just hack the auto-drive system and make a small "change" at a critical time.
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Looking into it a bit more, google has >700,000 accident free miles on their self driving cars. But they always have a human in them I believe? No word on how often the human has to intervene. They also can't handle non-standard signals, heavy rain or snow etc. Still a ways off...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_driverless_car
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Their "700 000 accident-free miles" is more like "70 miles driven accident-free 10000 times". They test their cars on pre scouted routes and admit they cannot cope with things like construction or detours or completely unfamiliar locations.
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I thought that horns were already required ???
;) :lol:
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Just wait till a hacker figures out how to get into it. [tinfoil] [tinfoil]
a whole new hell for women. =|
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This is not necessarily "the man is taking over your car!" stuff. It could be locational, to let you know if a vehicle is in your blind spot. Or emergency, to let you know the car in front of you is violently decelerating or that the Mack truck behind you just lost his brakes.
If it's extremely short ranged, I'm not overly concerned. Cars already have built in networks, and yes, they can be hacked. Overtime security will generally tighten up. If you essentially make a read only wifi access point with a 100m transmission radius that exposes only some variables, it's not that bad.
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Tent / camel nose
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This is not necessarily "the man is taking over your car!" stuff. It could be locational, to let you know if a vehicle is in your blind spot.
That's easily enough done with much simpler technology already implemented in backup warning systems; just point sensors off the corners. Or teach people to adjust their mirrors properly so the blind spots are minimized. Both have another significant advantage in that the hidden vehicle/cyclist/pedestrian/object doesn't have to be equipped with whatever sort of transmitter your car recognizes
Or emergency, to let you know the car in front of you is violently decelerating
Brake lights getting closer provide a pretty intuitive indication of that already.
or that the Mack truck behind you just lost his brakes.
And what can you do about that? Run the light and take your chances with the cross traffic? (Better hope you're first in line.)
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That's easily enough done with much simpler technology already implemented in backup warning systems; just point sensors off the corners. Or teach people to adjust their mirrors properly so the blind spots are minimized. Both have another significant advantage in that the hidden vehicle/cyclist/pedestrian/object doesn't have to be equipped with whatever sort of transmitter your car recognizes
*shrug* So write up your concerns and submit them for comment.
Brake lights getting closer provide a pretty intuitive indication of that already.
Not in a rain storm or snow storm.
And what can you do about that? Run the light and take your chances with the cross traffic? (Better hope you're first in line.)
*shrug* Was moreso thinking highway. But any warning is better than none. Best one I could think of would be loss of traction warnings from vehicles ahead of you. Basically black ice warning or whatnot.
I'm not claiming I think it's a particularly good idea. Just claiming it's not Tin Foil Time(tm) yet. I'd be more upset at the increased vehicle costs than paranoia, conspiracy theory, liberty reasons. I significantly doubt the powers that be will mandate a GSM modem be included, as it'd be hideously expensive. If it's not always connected, it's not going to be a significant privacy threat. I still have no idea what overriding V2V capacities are needed, let alone wanted.
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Just claiming it's not Tin Foil Time(tm) yet.
Lots of people have said the same about every just-a-little-intrusive government action throughout history.
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I think it is well beyond tinfoil time. If it is done right is like asking the federal government to adopt uniform firearms laws across the land and trusting that we'll all come out looking like Wyoming, Alaska, or Vermont. Government of all levels has already proven itself incapable of doing right when sensing a chance to access cell phone data or existing vehicle systems like On-star. Any move towards smart cars, self-driving cars or anything similar is really just a play to know where every vehicle is at at all times. And pretty soon you are requesting to travel. I wonder if a state could mandate EZ-pass toll systems. That in itself would be a statist wank-bank, no need to collect toll everywhere but you could put a detector on every exit ramp. Might end up being like the Matrix, don't ever go on the limited access federal road.
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Any move towards smart cars, self-driving cars or anything similar is really just a play to know where every vehicle is at at all times.
The fact that they could already do this via cell phones is one of the reasons I really prefer a rooted Android; plenty of location-spoofing and location-adjusting (intercept the GPS data and apply an adjust) apps that work at a low enough level to fool anything that doesn't pull straight from the GPS receiver. Not the most effective thing when you're heading down I20 with no parallel road a mile to the south, but once you're in a big city it can send them to a location that just might tip their hand. (Cops around here are notorious for staging just out of sight of the target, and in full view of everyone else in the area, then wondering how the target found out in a town where everybody knows everybody. Heck, a couple of times there have been photos of what's obviously staging for something posted to Facebook as it happens.)
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It's already quite easy to know where a vehicle is at all times.
Self-driving cars (which are inevitable in our future, anyway) can also lead to an immense increase in personal freedom.
If the car drives itself and doesn't even have a steering wheel (and driverless cars are unlikely to have one), there's no point in driver's licensing, or rolling DUI checkpoints, or a whole variety of other things related to the above.
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It's already quite easy to know where a vehicle is at all times.
Self-driving cars (which are inevitable in our future, anyway) can also lead to an immense increase in personal freedom.
If the car drives itself and doesn't even have a steering wheel (and driverless cars are unlikely to have one), there's no point in driver's licensing, or rolling DUI checkpoints, or a whole variety of other things related to the above.
You're assuming that everyone drives on streets or roads :facepalm:
How would you, for instance - drive a wild land fire engine to a fire without a steering wheel ???
Same thing for power line maintenance, oilfield operation, farmers/ranchers, etc etc etc ....
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You're assuming that everyone drives on streets or roads :facepalm:
How would you, for instance - drive a wild land fire engine to a fire without a steering wheel ???
Same thing for power line maintenance, oilfield operation, farmers/ranchers, etc etc etc ....
That's a tiny fraction of the vehicles that exist.
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It's already quite easy to know where a vehicle is at all times.
Self-driving cars (which are inevitable in our future, anyway) can also lead to an immense increase in personal freedom.
If the car drives itself and doesn't even have a steering wheel (and driverless cars are unlikely to have one), there's no point in driver's licensing, or rolling DUI checkpoints, or a whole variety of other things related to the above.
Know where a vehicle is, a lot different than know where all vehicles are. Autonomous vehicles are a statist dream. No one could be allowed to drive a regular vehicle mixed in with self-piloted ones. All vehicles would be tracked. Within a short time permission would be asked to travel. Travel could be terminated on a whim by anyone with access to the controlling systems. Not really sure why libertarian types are clamoring for this.
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So, TCAS for cars. I figured it would happen some day.
More ways to reduce driver ability to the minimum level.
I agree completely.
Have y'all seen the commercials for the new car model with collision warning and blind spot warning systems? (They are common these days.) There's one showing a guy motoring along on (presumably) his daily commute and having one close call after another -- all neatly avoided by his high-tech car. My reaction when I saw it was, "Learn how to drive, you jerk!" These systems are only needed by the people who think it's a good idea to read and send text messages while driving.
(Oh, wait -- maybe that makes this technology 100 percent mandatory.)
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2014/10/ford-adds-auto-braking-pedestrian-detection-to-collision-warning-system.html
But with technology like this already available, why do we need cars to converse with one another? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOVk93PJ-rg
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That's a tiny fraction of the vehicles that exist.
So ... ???
It's interesting how people who live in cities think the rest of the world doesn't exist and/or doesn't matter.
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How long before it becomes popular to toss stuff in front of auto brake cars to cause traffic jams?
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I seems to me that networking cars isn't needed for the reasons given. The only way I see it needed is if you want a big city's traffic management system to basically run all the cars and regulate speed and such. Otherwise, you can do the same thing without networking.
I don't see how they would establish any such system anytime soon. It would be decades before enough cars had this stuff to make it work. And you would have to force poor people and others to give up their older cars and trucks.
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I remember an article in Car & Driver from late eighties that discussed a desire by law enforcement to be able to shut off any vehicle they were in pursuit of.The article specifically mentioned a desire for a portable EMP device.I think they mentioned some hurdles towards that end. =)
If all cars are on a network then the police could warn you directly while in pursuit and then shut the car off at their convenience.
Probably be another Cash for Clunkers after the tech is in enough cars. [tinfoil]
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It's already quite easy to know where a vehicle is at all times.
Self-driving cars (which are inevitable in our future, anyway) can also lead to an immense increase in personal freedom.
If the car drives itself and doesn't even have a steering wheel (and driverless cars are unlikely to have one), there's no point in driver's licensing, or rolling DUI checkpoints, or a whole variety of other things related to the above.
GPS isn't 100% reliable and likely never will be. I'm not going to trust my safety to a system that is subject to errors due to weather, solar flares and even malicious hackers. I can see some potential benefits but unless I can over ride and take full control I ain't interested.
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I remember an article in Car & Driver from late eighties that discussed a desire by law enforcement to be able to shut off any vehicle they were in pursuit of.The article specifically mentioned a desire for a portable EMP device.I think they mentioned some hurdles towards that end. =)
If all cars are on a network then the police could warn you directly while in pursuit and then shut the car off at their convenience.
Probably be another Cash for Clunkers after the tech is in enough cars. [tinfoil]
If your car can be shut off by the police then somebody can hack it. I'd prefer not to give criminals the ability to shut off my vehicle when I'm traveling a remote, desolate stretch of road at 0200.
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Welcome to my parlor at 2 am.
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GPS isn't 100% reliable and likely never will be. I'm not going to trust my safety to a system that is subject to errors due to weather, solar flares and even malicious hackers. I can see some potential benefits but unless I can over ride and take full control I ain't interested.
If you let your GPS guide you in our neighborhood, it will route you up some 100 year old wagon track that isn't a public road anymore. ;/
I wonder if it will stop the car so you can get out and open the stretch gate, and then pull the car through the gate and wait for you to close the gate and get back in .... =D
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GPS isn't 100% reliable and likely never will be.
Nothing is, or ever will be.
But it's far easier for the government to monitor the movements of your vehicle (at least for the majority of population that doesn't live off the grid) at the current technology levels, using a combination of traffic cameras, automated plate readers, GPS, cellphone tracking,etc. than is commonly accepted.
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Nothing is, or ever will be.
But it's far easier for the government to monitor the movements of your vehicle (at least for the majority of population that doesn't live off the grid) at the current technology levels, using a combination of traffic cameras, automated plate readers, GPS, cellphone tracking,etc. than is commonly accepted.
I think that there's a pretty fair number of people living in rural/small town USA, the outback of Australia, most of Africa, central Asia, and even your own desert neighborhoods where GPS would be worthless for actually guiding a vehicle (as opposed to using it as a navigation aid).
I don't think GPS will tell you that the road washed out last night, or drifted over with sand, or has a big rock in the middle that just tumbled off the cliff.
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The freeway bridges over the Houston Ship Channel have been hit by ships before. I was thinking there was at least once where a hole was created and one or more cars fell through. I wonder if auto driving systems would spot that? I am sure they could be set up to watch the road surface, but not soon enough to stop. Networking might allow other cars behind that one to stop though.
You would need an auto-drive system to be looking at the road somehow as it would need to sense if the road was wet or icy or covered in debris or other stuff.
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You wanna trust your GPS auto-drive here:
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???
=D
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I think that there's a pretty fair number of people living in rural/small town USA, the outback of Australia, most of Africa, central Asia, and even your own desert neighborhoods where GPS would be worthless for actually guiding a vehicle (as opposed to using it as a navigation aid).
In the tiny hamlet of Dallas, GPS often shows me on a parallel road 75+ yards away. If it can't reliably distinguish between the interstate and the service road, what's going to happen when somebody's autodrive stops for the service road's red light while it's actually in a 65 zone in the middle of I-635?
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In the tiny hamlet of Dallas, GPS often shows me on a parallel road 75+ yards away. If it can't reliably distinguish between the interstate and the service road, what's going to happen when somebody's autodrive stops for the service road's red light while it's actually in a 65 zone in the middle of I-635?
Or the other way around :O
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So ... ???
It's interesting how people who live in cities think the rest of the world doesn't exist and/or doesn't matter.
So their presence is not a meaningful factor in terms of this discussion.
81% of the US population lives in cities, and of the other 19%, the majority do not live in the far off boonies like the individuals you described.
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So their presence is not a meaningful factor in terms of this discussion.
81% of the US population lives in cities, and of the other 19%, the majority do not live in the far off boonies like the individuals you described.
A lot of those "cities" are fairly small. I don't think your robo-car is going to work very well in Mayberry, or even Billlings (pop ~100K).
Let's see, I'm going to drive to the pet store, and then to the post office, and then to Walmart, and then to the feed store, and then to Walmart, and then to the gas station ...
So if all new cars/suvs/pickups have no steering wheels, just how do you expect that 20% to get around ??? Or maybe you were planning on rounding them all up ..... =|
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I'm still not seeing the liability issue addressed; who's on the hook when a robocar wrecks anyway?
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I'm still not seeing the liability issue addressed; who's on the hook when a robocar wrecks anyway?
Until this question is answered, there will be no autonomous vehicles outside of PR stunts or experimental vehicles.
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Until this question is answered, there will be no autonomous vehicles outside of PR stunts or experimental vehicles.
And once it is answered, it will most likely guarantee that they don't exist for a long time.
Look at the number of serious failures vehicles have already; you think any manufacturer wants to add to their risk by being at fault in every wreck their cars get into? Every nav app comes with a "don't use this as your only means of navigation" warning, so it's a pretty safe bet no GIS company wants to be on the hook for a fatal wreck every time they misplace a road or oversimplify a curve.
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If you let your GPS guide you in our neighborhood, it will route you up some 100 year old wagon track that isn't a public road anymore
:rofl: :rofl:
When I was meeting the bunch in Illinois for an APS get together a few years ago, the GPS kept telling me to turn onto tractor paths between corn fields. :facepalm: I only found everyone because the berms for the shooting range were visible miles away.
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A lot of those "cities" are fairly small. I don't think your robo-car is going to work very well in Mayberry, or even Billlings (pop ~100K).
Let's see, I'm going to drive to the pet store, and then to the post office, and then to Walmart, and then to the feed store, and then to Walmart, and then to the gas station ...
So if all new cars/suvs/pickups have no steering wheels, just how do you expect that 20% to get around ??? Or maybe you were planning on rounding them all up ..... =|
What I suggest is that first 1% of all cars will have no steering wheels, then 10%, then eventually 80 and 90 and 99%, as the technology improves, and more people move to the cities.
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Problem with that thought is that our population is not moving to the cities in great numbers and in fact the opposite is happening.
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Problem with that thought is that our population is not moving to the cities in great numbers and in fact the opposite is happening.
The other problem is that people will just start buying one ton or bigger trucks that still have steering wheels :P
Why are SUVs so popular? Because the full size RWD family stations wagons are no more :facepalm:
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Problem with that thought is that our population is not moving to the cities in great numbers and in fact the opposite is happening.
This, and with a robocar to make a long morning commute into a nap or extra work time, even more people would move beyond the suburbs. For example, as it is, Granbury has a lot of people making a ~35-40 mile commute to Fort Worth, and even some driving an hour or more into Dallas. When I lived in Red Oak, about 2/3 of the population there were commuters driving 30-40 minutes into downtown Dallas. If they could lean the seat back and zone out to some tunes, it would just make the idea of living away from the city even more attractive.
The other problem is that people will just start buying one ton or bigger trucks that still have steering wheels :P
Why are SUVs so popular? Because the full size RWD family stations wagons are no more :facepalm:
That's the unfortunate truth of unintended consequences when government meddles in things. I'd love to have an updated version of the 1995 Legacy wagon I had; great handling when the roads got bad, and enough room for plywood.
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Back in 1988 when we were living in Colo Spgs for a while, IIRC I had a 13 mile each way commute (all in town) and at some times of the day it took 45+ minutes =(
Where we are now in the wilds it is about an hour and 15 minutes to Billings to go 60 miles.
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Hey, autonomous cars- what a great idea- now the jihadi's can have a VBIED with no need for suicide driver.
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Problem with that thought is that our population is not moving to the cities in great numbers and in fact the opposite is happening.
It is moving to suburbs, not out into the trackless wastes.
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It is moving to suburbs, not out into the trackless wastes.
Doesn't matter. You think people only go somewhere and make one stop and then come home ???
Robo-cars might be great in someplace like NYC, where they would replace foreign born taxi drivers :lol:
But Mrs. Soccer Mom is not going to want to carry an increasing load of stuff in her arms because she has to get into a different robo-car for each leg of her shopping day ;/
I'm not sure what life is like in The Promised Land, but here in suburban/rural America, non-steering wheel robo cars are not going to go over well.
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But Mrs. Soccer Mom is not going to want to carry an increasing load of stuff in her arms because she has to get into a different robo-car for each leg of her shopping day
Don't forget most stores aren't going to let you wander through with an armload of bags, nor do they provide any sort of secure storage area for them. I've even had some throw a fit about my briefcase when I was riding the train home from work and stopped to grab a couple things. No way in hell I was going to leave it by the door like they suggested.
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But Mrs. Soccer Mom is not going to want to carry an increasing load of stuff in her arms because she has to get into a different robo-car for each leg of her shopping day ;/
Why does she need to do this? What have I missed?
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Why does she need to do this? What have I missed?
Everything, apparently ... :facepalm:
If a public robo-car is called up like a taxi for a trip point A to B, where she buys X items, then calls up another robo-car for a trip from B to C, where she buys Y items, then she is going to have to carry the X items into the Y store because she can't leave them in the robo-car which is now going to be called up by somebody else. This goes on all day until there is quite an armload.
Even if its your own private robo-car, I don't quite see how it's going to find a parking place for you at Walmart =|
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And that's where the vehicle-to-vehicle comms come in. XD
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New Google Self-Driving Car Prototype Ready to Try Roads (http://news.yahoo.com/google-self-driving-car-prototype-ready-try-road-204420167.html)
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This will have to be foisted upon Americans by force.
It will not be chosen by even 51% of the people.
If it happens it will happen by government dictat.
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Driverless vehicles, should they become wide-spread, will obviate many of the existing government interventions in the field.
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Driverless vehicles, should they become wide-spread, will obviate many of the existing government interventions in the field.
Of this, I am not convinced. If anything the necessity of moving data - as has already been proposed by NHTSA - only provides an easier, more convenient way to covertly archive and analyze identifying information of hundreds of millions of people at bulk. Driverless cars are surveillance state wet dream. You're kidding yourself if you think it will be an open source type movement, IMHO.
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Why?
It is already technologically possible to know where a modern car is - simply by collating traffic camera data, or by getting the data from the owner's cell phone, or the car's GPS anti-theft device (which more and more cars have today).
The state will know where your car is, whether or not your car is driverless - because the technology exists today to cheaply observe anybody who is in public, and then collate and analyze the data. Because the public doesn't see anything wrong with this (in the US), this data will inevitably be collated. Certainly at least in the cities and suburbs, where most people live.
Driverless cars offer getting rid us of:
1. Driver licensing and its attendant nonsense. (I am not driving, why do I need a permit?)
2. DUI laws and their attendant nonsense. (I am not driving, why does it matter if I am drunk?)
3. Texting laws and their attendant nonsense (I am not driving why does it matter if I am texting?)
4. Taxi medallions and their attendant nonsense.
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Relevant. (http://www.technologyreview.com/news/533601/singapore-wants-a-driverless-version-of-uber/)
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I don't see why there wouldn't still be a steering wheel for cases that MicroBalrog talked about, just onlock it when you need it. Ever seen I, Robot? Also I don't think they would need to be 100% GPS guided. Could simply put some things on the roads every now and then that can communicate with the car to let it know what road it is on.
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if we could interview him, I wonder what Michael Hastings would say about driver-less cars?
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if we could interview him, I wonder what Michael Hastings would say about driver-less cars?
---Or David Hasselhoff ......
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See the fights over the internet taxi services and tell me again that we would get rid of taxi medallions? Too much entrenched politics.
Also, no bureacracy goes down without a fight. No way all those agencies and revenue sources disappear easily. Yeah, they may not be needed (and really are not now), but that means little to the govt.
Why?
It is already technologically possible to know where a modern car is - simply by collating traffic camera data, or by getting the data from the owner's cell phone, or the car's GPS anti-theft device (which more and more cars have today).
The state will know where your car is, whether or not your car is driverless - because the technology exists today to cheaply observe anybody who is in public, and then collate and analyze the data. Because the public doesn't see anything wrong with this (in the US), this data will inevitably be collated. Certainly at least in the cities and suburbs, where most people live.
Driverless cars offer getting rid us of:
1. Driver licensing and its attendant nonsense. (I am not driving, why do I need a permit?)
2. DUI laws and their attendant nonsense. (I am not driving, why does it matter if I am drunk?)
3. Texting laws and their attendant nonsense (I am not driving why does it matter if I am texting?)
4. Taxi medallions and their attendant nonsense.
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Also, no bureacracy goes down without a fight. No way all those agencies and revenue sources disappear easily. Yeah, they may not be needed (and really are not now), but that means little to the govt.
"It took fifty years to secure the approval of all the Councils for the Candle, and to decide upon the number needed, and to re-fit the Plans so as to make candles instead of torches. This touched upon thousands and thousands of men working in scores of States. We cannot alter the Plans again so soon."
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http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/2014/NHTSA-issues-advanced-notice-of-proposed-rulemaking-on-V2V-communications
I admit I have never heard of this tech before now.
The only vehicle to vehicle comm system I want or need is a CB radio.
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See the fights over the internet taxi services and tell me again that we would get rid of taxi medallions? Too much entrenched politics.
I'm seeing the taxi people losing these fights.
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And once it is answered, it will most likely guarantee that they don't exist for a long time.
Look at the number of serious failures vehicles have already; you think any manufacturer wants to add to their risk by being at fault in every wreck their cars get into? Every nav app comes with a "don't use this as your only means of navigation" warning, so it's a pretty safe bet no GIS company wants to be on the hook for a fatal wreck every time they misplace a road or oversimplify a curve.
It would be impossible to keep GPS updated.
There's a major interstate highway construction going on about 15 miles from where I live. Intersection of two interstates plus a feeder into/out of downtown, plus two or three exits/entrances all concentrated in a stretch about a mile long. Some left-hand exits have been converted to right-hand exits. Entrance ramps that originally came in on the left are being reconfigured to merge from the right. Periodically, they shut off something and bring the new (and opposite) component on-line over the space of a weekend. I updated my wife's GPS just a few months ago. Drove through that mess a couple of days ago, and the GPS would have had me in the river if I had followed it.
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There's a major interstate highway construction going on about 15 miles from where I live. Intersection of two interstates plus a feeder into/out of downtown, plus two or three exits/entrances all concentrated in a stretch about a mile long. Some left-hand exits have been converted to right-hand exits. Entrance ramps that originally came in on the left are being reconfigured to merge from the right. Periodically, they shut off something and bring the new (and opposite) component on-line over the space of a weekend. I updated my wife's GPS just a few months ago. Drove through that mess a couple of days ago, and the GPS would have had me in the river if I had followed it.
I've been fairly impressed with how quickly construction mixups on TX121 and US380 make their way into Waze, but even with community updates, somebody has to deal with it being wrong before they go in and make the changes.
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I'm seeing the taxi people losing these fights.
does that matter?
If the Taxi companies can use driverless cars, they would I think. It remains to be seen if taxi passengers would want to ride in them. Would the concept survive long enough to prove itself?
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I'm guessing that "driverless taxis" will be the testbed for this tech
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You wanna trust your GPS auto-drive here:
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I wouldn't want to try it by GPS, but that's the kind of trail I used to love for weekend treks in my Cherokee (at least, on a nice day such as in the photo). Where is that, if I may ask? I might have to add that to my "One of these days ..." list.
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Driverless vehicles, should they become wide-spread, will obviate many of the existing government interventions in the field.
It might put the red light camera leaches out of business.
See -- it's not ALL bad.
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If the Taxi companies can use driverless cars, they would I think. It remains to be seen if taxi passengers would want to ride in them. Would the concept survive long enough to prove itself?
Hey, robo cabs worked great for Ahnold in Total Recall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGi6j2VrL0o
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I'm guessing that "driverless taxis" will be the testbed for this tech
http://www.engadget.com/2014/12/23/singapore-self-driving-cars/