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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on October 25, 2020, 01:37:05 PM
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If Mr. Biden is elected, what do you think will happen with guns? Mandated surrender of modern sporting rifles? Federal waiting periods or purchase limits? Bans on silencers?
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Do they also get the senate in this?
If yes then Harris will declare that as a mandate to go for it. Hopefully enough Ds will get cold feet to jam it up somewhat.
If not as long as the Rs stay firm on the matter, yeah I know, then her hands will be mostly tied.
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Lots of variables, most importantly house and senate control. Without both houses:
Kiss imports goodbye.
Not sure what he could do with making ammo purchases difficult, but he'll try.
Can suppressors be controlled through EO? If so, that's an easy win.
With both houses:
I just don't see outright "Beto" confiscation. I think the dem handlers know where that leads.
Some kind of assault weapons / mag ban though.
The "one gun a month" thing.
Plus the stuff he could do by EO and likely more.
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If the Harris/Biden administration also has the Senate and House, they'll try to add everything semi-automatic with a detachable magazine to the NFA registry, with a limited grace period to get your tax stamp for each item you own. (And don't expect the tax stamp to stay at "only" $200.) They probably won't go for outright confiscation . . . at first. But look for a lot of problems at the state level in places that already restrict current NFA items like suppressors and non-C&R full autos.
Without both houses, most of the mischief will be limited to import-related items, since the Executive Branch has broad powers there . . . so long as the GOP stands firm.
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Not going to happen.
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If they get the senate it will be like what they did in VA
I ain’t registering *expletive deleted*it or turning in *expletive deleted*it.
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Will SCOTUS protect us any if POTUS and Senate go to Dems?
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Will SCOTUS protect us any if POTUS and Senate go to Dems?
Any thing the SC could do would be in cases brought to the SC and this could take months or years. The dems could in that time enact a such a mountain of legislation that it could decades to undo one case at a time. The dems wet dream of overturning The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act alone could do irreparable damage in a matter of months. The SC stopping that months or years later would be like putting out the fire that burnt the house down months ago.
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I think if they try to do much it will look like the vote after th AWB. And without term limits many dems remember what happened.
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I am most concerned about the Executive Orders.
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I am most concerned about the Executive Orders.
I could be wrong but hopefully Trump has put enough pro 2A fed judges in place to keep any Harris issued EOs tied up in knots for a while
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If the Senate goes Democrat as projected, the first thing
Biden Harris will do is pack the SCOTUS with leftist "The Constitution is a living document" judges. After that the Democrats can make all of their gun control dreams come true.
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It's more than just guns. Biden will probably go along with the great reset:
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
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If the Senate goes Democrat as projected, the first thing Biden Harris will do is pack the SCOTUS with leftist "The Constitution is a living document" judges. After that the Democrats can make all of their gun control dreams come true.
Justices can only be replaced as they retire or died off. This why getting Barrett in is so important.
Increasing the number of justices on the court would require a constitutional amendment which would have to be called for by 2/3 of both houses or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures and then it would have to be approved by 3/4 of the states. Good luck with that even if they win everything.
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Justices can only be replaced as they retire or died off.
Increasing the number of justices on the court would require a constitutional amendment which would have to be called for by 2/3 of both houses or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures and then it would have to be approved by 3/4 of the states. Good luck with that even if they win everything.
Actually, no. The Congress can increase the size of the Supreme Court through legislative means. All it takes is a simple majority vote in both houses.
The Constitution establishes the court, but says nothing about its size.
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Justices can only be replaced as they retire or died off.
Increasing the number of justices on the court would require a constitutional amendment which would have to be called for by 2/3 of both houses or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures and then it would have to be approved by 3/4 of the states. Good luck with that even if they win everything.
You might want to do a little more research on that one. The number of justices is not in the constitution, it's in the Judiciary act of 1789, which leaves that to congress:
https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/ourdocs/judiciary.html
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Okay, I stand corrected. I was thinking it required an A
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Okay, I stand corrected
It's too bad that your original statement was incorrect. In my not so humble opinion, we would have been better off if the court's size was set in the COTUS. It would have made the court more resistant to political manipulation of the type the Democrats are planning.
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/faq_general.aspx
Who decides how many Justices are on the Court? Have there always been nine?
The Constitution places the power to determine the number of Justices in the hands of Congress. The first Judiciary Act, passed in 1789, set the number of Justices at six, one Chief Justice and five Associates. Over the years Congress has passed various acts to change this number, fluctuating from a low of five to a high of ten. The Judiciary Act of 1869 fixed the number of Justices at nine and no subsequent change to the number of Justices has occurred.
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It's too bad that your original statement was incorrect. In my not so humble opinion, we would have been better off if the court's size was set in the COTUS. It would have made it more resistant to political manipulation of the type the Democrats are planning.
Not the first time someone has wanted to mess with it. I remember reading about this before but didn't remember the details
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937
The Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937,[1] frequently called the "court-packing plan",[2] was a legislative initiative proposed by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt to add more justices to the U.S. Supreme Court in order to obtain favorable rulings regarding New Deal legislation that the Court had ruled unconstitutional.[3] The central provision of the bill would have granted the president power to appoint an additional justice to the U.S. Supreme Court, up to a maximum of six, for every member of the court over the age of 70 years and 6 months.
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It's too bad that your original statement was incorrect. In my not so humble opinion, we would have been better off if the court's size was set in the COTUS. It would have made the court more resistant to political manipulation of the type the Democrats are planning.
Now THAT would be a good amendment.
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If Biden-Harris win, and they have both houses under D control, I would expect something like a new AWB before they tried to make sporting guns fall under NFA rules. Especially if they don’t/can’t pack SCOTUS. They’d get pimp slapped by expedited scotus rulings if they went that far, with just the current 9 justice count.
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Now THAT would be a good amendment.
Agree. Nine is an ideal number.
Back to gun stuff, One thing I'd be curious about is how individual states would fall in line. There are a decent number of states that might be inclined to tell fed.gov to get bent. For instance with an AWB, last time everyone fell in line, but I could now easily see at least a half dozen states saying "will not comply" if we got one this time around. I would be curious about the repercussions (such as freezing federal money).
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Joe wanted to weigh in on this thread:
It’s long past time we take action to end the scourge of gun violence in America.
As president, I’ll ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, implement universal background checks, and enact other common-sense reforms to end our gun violence epidemic.
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....... Back to gun stuff, One thing I'd be curious about is how individual states would fall in line. There are a decent number of states that might be inclined to tell fed.gov to get bent. For instance with an AWB, last time everyone fell in line, but I could now easily see at least a half dozen states saying "will not comply" if we got one this time around. I would be curious about the repercussions (such as freezing federal money).
I'm more curious how We, the People, react than the states .... >:D
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If Mr. Biden wins the election and is inaugurated in January 20, 2021, how long before the first executive order comes out regarding firearms?
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President Harris already has it written.
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I'm more curious how We, the People, react than the states .... >:D
I think you got to go deeper, we is easy to say. More like what would I do? I think one needs to ask themselves what would they personally do and is the risk worth the result.
To be honest I'm not going to give them bullets first if another AWB became law and I'm hoping others don't vote from the rooftop either. Probably lost more firearms/magazines in a tragic boating or smelting accident.
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Depends on the law that gets written, Charby.
An AWB that grandfathers existing weapons? Unconstitutional, but can probably be litigated in the courts. There's enough small arms out there to sustain the spirit of the 2A while we try every peaceful remedy.
An AWB that doesn't grandfather and includes either confiscation or forced "buyback"? That's time to start shooting folks who can't understand plain English. Whether that is legislators, cops doing the confiscation, or both is a tactical consideration, not a moral one.
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Give it time in the courts first.
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He has already said he wants every semiauto NFA’d along with each high cap mag
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^^^Can that be done solely via executive order, I wonder.
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^^^Can that be done solely via executive order, I wonder.
Apparently, all it takes is regulatory action by the ATF to reclassify existing legal weapons into NFA weapons if we use very recent ATF actions as a guide.
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Apparently, all it takes is regulatory action by the ATF to reclassify existing legal weapons into NFA weapons if we use very recent ATF actions as a guide.
That can be ordered via an executive order.
I think classifying any semi auto firearm to NFA status would get slapped down pretty quick by courts. Just think how many Remington 1100/1187 and Browning A-5 shotguns are out there, same with Ruger 10/22, etc. Most of the folks I bird hunt with all have a semi auto shotgun of some manufacturer.
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He has already said he wants every semiauto NFA’d along with each high cap mag
If a person's semiauto AR-15 is retroactively made into an NFA item, he might as well make it do all the neat things that NFA items do.
Penalty is the same for possession either way. Making it fast and quiet now has no penalty for the owner.
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At this point I wouldn't put it pass them to state that since a semi-auto is capable of being converted to full then they're full. We talking about people who will tell you plumping has nothing to do with being a male or female here.
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If a person's semiauto AR-15 is retroactively made into an NFA item, he might as well make it do all the neat things that NFA items do.
Penalty is the same for possession either way. Making it fast and quiet now has no penalty for the owner.
Hmmm, would that allow for new full auto firearms?
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Depends on the law that gets written, Charby.
An AWB that grandfathers existing weapons? Unconstitutional, but can probably be litigated in the courts. There's enough small arms out there to sustain the spirit of the 2A while we try every peaceful remedy.
An AWB that doesn't grandfather and includes either confiscation or forced "buyback"? That's time to start shooting folks who can't understand plain English. Whether that is legislators, cops doing the confiscation, or both is a tactical consideration, not a moral one.
Probably won’t be so easy and clear cut. Most of the guns will disappear but it will be generational gun banning. No talking about them, no rec shooting, no training youth. Some crazy old man who was always ranting about the government will die and his people will find a closer full of guns and an American flag. Boy, those old people sure were crazy...
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Simple enough, all semi-autos will be banned. Biden has alluded to such several times.
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Simple enough, all semi-autos will be banned. Biden has alluded to such several times.
Whew, glad I sold all of mine..... ;/
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Coat Hook Loop Hope
Man Arrested for Selling Hundreds of 3D Printed Drop-In Auto Sear ‘Coat Hooks’
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/man-arrested-for-selling-hundreds-of-3d-printed-drop-in-auto-sear-coat-hooks/
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Hmmm, would that allow for new full auto firearms?
If everything is illegal, then nothing is.
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Remember a Ma Deuce didn't fall under the last AWB.
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Word is that there is a plan to try by legislation a new AWB. This time, "assault weapon" will have a more encompassing definition. The one I heard is a little frightening...a centerfire, semiautomatic firearm capable of holding 10 or more rounds. And it would ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of assault weapons. If true, the legislation would effectively ban all semiautomatic firearms which use a detachable magazine, because all detachable magazine firearms are capable of taking more than 10 rounds. The other thing it would do is destroy a large portion of the small arms industry. I don't imagine Glock and Beretta can survive on .gov contracts alone.
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Chris they learned from the last one on what not to do. They aren’t stupid.
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Chris they learned from the last one on what not to do.
Maybe.
How many members of the 2021 Congress were in Congress when the 1994 AWB was passed? Do they remember the political cost for the Democrats?
Certain members such as "the squad" are too young to remember, or don't care.
They aren’t stupid.
Some of them are not stupid. Others ...
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Won't happen if GOP maintains Senate.
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Won't happen if GOP maintains Senate.
True. The Democrats introduce some flavor of AWB almost every year, and I expect 2021 will be no different.
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Won't happen if GOP maintains Senate.
Yup. Without the senate, I don't think their attempts will go very far. The most I see happening is the ATF somehow coming down on 80%, 3D printing, "ghost gun" type stuff and even that will quickly end up in court. It also gets harder and harder to stop as technology progresses.
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I tentatively disagree on the senate. It's going to be the slimmest of majorities this year - like 1 or 2. I can think of several Rs who would jump ship on the 2nd. They'll stand firm on stuff like taxes, but will gladly vote with Ds on "reasonable" gun control. Are there any Ds left who would support the 2nd? I'm thinking not.
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From our relatively new Bloomberg legislation on the definition of assault rifle: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010#:~:text=(27)%20%22Semiautomatic%20assault%20rifle,trigger%20to%20fire%20each%20cartridge.
27) "Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
So a Ruger 10/22 is a semi-automatic assault rifle under Washington law.
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I tentatively disagree on the senate. It's going to be the slimmest of majorities this year - like 1 or 2. I can think of several Rs who would jump ship on the 2nd. They'll stand firm on stuff like taxes, but will gladly vote with Ds on "reasonable" gun control. Are there any Ds left who would support the 2nd? I'm thinking not.
If we're talking AWB, McConnell won't even let it get to a vote. Those 1 or 2 won't be given the opportunity to jump.
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Things may be gridlocked:
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/biden-faces-prospect-of-gridlock-presidency-after-party-losses/
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Things may be gridlocked:
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/biden-faces-prospect-of-gridlock-presidency-after-party-losses/
Let's hope so.
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Things may be gridlocked:
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/biden-faces-prospect-of-gridlock-presidency-after-party-losses/
While six Senate races remain undecided, Democrats would need an extraordinary surge as states finish counting votes to win three of them — enough for the minimum 50 seats they’d need to control the chamber.
Let's not engage in wishful thinking. There was a lot of wishful thinking on this board regarding Trump being re-elected. The Dems managing to land three of the six Senate seats still undecided would not be a surprise at all.
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Let's not engage in wishful thinking. There was a lot of wishful thinking on this board regarding Trump being re-elected. The Dems managing to land three of the six Senate seats still undecided would not be a surprise at all.
All it would take is another couple of 138,000 vote ballot dumps that go 100% democrat.
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This will be a slow motion dumpster fire, especially if they can get both GA seats to a run-off. Be more TV time for Stacy Abhrams.
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Maybe.
How many members of the 2021 Congress were in Congress when the 1994 AWB was passed? Do they remember the political cost for the Democrats?
Certain members such as "the squad" are too young to remember, or don't care.
Some of them are not stupid. Others ...
The difference is now they have the national fraud angle locked up to retain power. No more chance of being thrown out. Let’s not also forget the “suicide bomber” mentality that the left has with little regard for consequences.
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My prediction on the political side. If this goes as I suspect it does and Harris wins we will never see another republican president, let alone anything resembling a conservative. A significant number of Trump's former administration
prosecuted persecuted along with Trump himself on all sorts of bullshit charges.
As to the attack on gun rights -
A few things I wouldn't be surprised to see. National/federal level red flag law. The ATF adding lots of currently legal stuff to the NFA list by a stroke of the pen. A watered down "common sense" AWB that gets OK'd by the spineless republicans because it's for the children.
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From our relatively new Bloomberg legislation on the definition of assault rifle: https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010#:~:text=(27)%20%22Semiautomatic%20assault%20rifle,trigger%20to%20fire%20each%20cartridge.
27) "Semiautomatic assault rifle" means any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.
So a Ruger 10/22 is a semi-automatic assault rifle under Washington law.
No, that means ANY semiauto rifle is a "Semiautomatic assault rifle". :facepalm: [tinfoil] [ar15]
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No, that means ANY semiauto rifle is a "Semiautomatic assault rifle". :facepalm: [tinfoil] [ar15]
True, but we like to quote the 10/22 example to show how flawed the law is.
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A few things I wouldn't be surprised to see. National/federal level red flag law.
I forgot about that. This morning the senate is being projected at 50-50, with several sites saying 51-50 dem majority. A Federal red flag law is an easy win because so many "law and order" Rs think it's a good thing. Prepare for your neighbor to rat you out as a gun nut because they're mad that you haven't cut your lawn for a couple of weeks.
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A 50-50 Senate is a Dem majority with a Dem vice president. If that is the case, then 2021 will effectively be the year the republic ends. The voters wanted socialism, now they are going to get it good and hard. In ten or twelve years we will all know what living in Venezuela is like.
At this point I really don't give a rat's ass, except that I fear for my kids and grandkids well being.
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A 50-50 Senate is a Dem majority with a Dem vice president. If that is the case, then 2021 will effectively be the year the republic ends. The voters wanted socialism, now they are going to get it good and hard. In ten or twelve years we will all know what living in Venezuela is like.
At this point I really don't give a rat's ass, except that I fear for my kids and grandkids well being.
To the socialism point, I would not be surprised if AOC becomes the House speaker:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/11/06/super-popular-nancy-pelosi-is-officially-running-for-house-speaker-again/
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Not my Speaker
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Budsgunshop.com running like molasses in Antarctica. I wonder why?
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I think their server just crashed
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Why are folks buying firearms now when anyone with a lick of sense knows all semi-autos will soon be illegal, and there will be no grandfathering this time around. The Dems have made their intentions very clear over the course of the campaign.
Yeah, sure, tragic boating accidents or turning the guns in one bullet at a time.
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Yeah, sure, tragic boating accidents
More believable than hundreds of thousands "lost" ballots being found and not one Trump vote among them
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Why are folks buying firearms now when anyone with a lick of sense knows all semi-autos will soon be illegal, and there will be no grandfathering this time around. The Dems have made their intentions very clear over the course of the campaign.
Yeah, sure, tragic boating accidents or turning the guns in one bullet at a time.
I'm not buying them. I have my evil black rifles. MOLON LABE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:D
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A 50-50 Senate is a Dem majority with a Dem vice president. If that is the case, then 2021 will effectively be the year the republic ends. The voters wanted socialism, now they are going to get it good and hard. In ten or twelve years we will all know what living in Venezuela is like.
At this point I really don't give a rat's ass, except that I fear for my kids and grandkids well being.
Why do you think the US will end up like Venezuela, especially on that short of a timeline, vs more like the socialist countries of Europe, or shoot, Canada?
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Why do you think the US will end up like Venezuela, especially on that short of a timeline, vs more like the socialist countries of Europe, or shoot, Canada?
^^This.
Their plan has always been starvation/attrition through time. Like a constrictor snake eating a large meal. Hold, strangle, advance. Rinse and repeat.
Honestly if you want Dem/statist/RINO defeat for good, hope for bankruptcy of the nation. Or a superior currency (coughcryptocough) to displace the dollar for global trade or banking.
Give them their policies and sufficient rope to hang themselves. They'll "free beer" their way into poverty. Hide your own assets.
They'll start off like Canada or the Netherlands. Venezuela won't happen for another 25 years when they spend the nation's credit away and have to start seizing property to appease creditors.
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As gun far outright banning guns many of you are assuming Biden and team have any intention of keeping campaign promises. The moment they meet any resistance they'll could very just go "well, we tried" and move on to higher vote buying priorities such as reparations. Outright banning guns would lose them more votes in the long term than gain
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As gun far outright banning guns many of you are assuming Biden and team have any intention of keeping campaign promises. The moment they meet any resistance they'll could very just go "well, we tried" and move on to higher vote buying priorities such as reparations. Outright banning guns would lose them more votes in the long term than gain
Doesn't matter how many votes they lose when they can make up the difference with fradulent votes.
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Why do you think the US will end up like Venezuela, especially on that short of a timeline, vs more like the socialist countries of Europe, or shoot, Canada?
Which countries in Europe are truly socialist and not just highly regulated and overtaxed. Go ahead, count them up. I'll wait.
Meanwhile, have you not been listening to the Democrats? They have made their intentions very clear.
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Which countries in Europe are truly socialist and not just highly regulated and overtaxed. Go ahead, count them up. I'll wait.
Belarus?
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Which countries in Europe are truly socialist and not just highly regulated and overtaxed. Go ahead, count them up. I'll wait.
Meanwhile, have you not been listening to the Democrats? They have made their intentions very clear.
Well, I disagree. I think we will end up looking much more like the highly regulated and overtaxed European countries.
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Well, I disagree. I think we will end up looking much more like the highly regulated and overtaxed European countries.
I suppose it's possible that will be the case. If it is though, it will only be a brief stopover on our way to a full authoritarian socialist government running this country. My opinion, worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Wish I had kept my Cap & Ball pistol now... :old:
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. . . They'll start off like Canada or the Netherlands. Venezuela won't happen for another 25 years when they spend the nation's credit away and have to start seizing property to appease creditors.
Depends on whether they will bide their time or get impatient and try to boil the frog immediately.
Note that even Rhodesia Zimbabwe didn't completely fall apart overnight when the barbarians took over. And even today, South Africa still has a semblance of civilization left.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/how-liberal-gun-owners-see-2020-self-defense-is-self-care.html
Will the growing number of liberal gun owners moderate the new Administration? I wonder.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/how-liberal-gun-owners-see-2020-self-defense-is-self-care.html
Will the growing number of liberal gun owners moderate the new Administration? I wonder.
Absolutely not. They have their guns now, and still strongly believe in "common sense gun control". We'll continue to hear the same old, "nobody is taking away your guns", and "The Second Amendment is not absolute and a living constitution allows for change."
No CA liberal who bought a gun with a 10 round magazine is going to give a hoot about banning standard capacity magazines elsewhere.
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The ammo shortage will now be permanent. Damn.
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/how-liberal-gun-owners-see-2020-self-defense-is-self-care.html
Plenty of lefties liked guns before Trump became president, but the escalation of right-wing violence on top of a global pandemic has made things feel extra apocalyptic for a lot Americans in blue states.
:facepalm:
Has the author been asleep for the past 4 years?
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I am most concerned right now with a ban on online sales of ammo. I don't go through the amount of ammo and components that some here do, but I do online ammo sales for stuff that I simply cannot find locally. It is not so much a matter of price as much as it is finding what I want on the shelves. Increasingly even before the current shortage, I cannot find it and go the online route.
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My inside sources tell me that the stated intention is an AWB. The unanswered question is how they will define "assault weapon." Some rumors that it will be defined as a "semi-automatice firearm capable of holding more than 10 rounds." This makes me nervous. First, if this is their definition, it may result in 9 round magazines, because a 10 round mag and a chambered round would be too much. Second, I'm worried about the word "capable" that's being thrown around. Any detachable magazine firearm is capable of holding any number of rounds, depending on the mag length.
Now, to flip this a bit, a lot of more centrist Dems have purchased guns in the last year. So, I could imagine that coming into the discussion, so that a 10 round cap is brought back, and traditional handgun are excepted...for now. After all Harris owns a handgun, right?
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My inside sources tell me that the stated intention is an AWB. The unanswered question is how they will define "assault weapon." Some rumors that it will be defined as a "semi-automatice firearm capable of holding more than 10 rounds." This makes me nervous. First, if this is their definition, it may result in 9 round magazines, because a 10 round mag and a chambered round would be too much. Second, I'm worried about the word "capable" that's being thrown around. Any detachable magazine firearm is capable of holding any number of rounds, depending on the mag length.
Now, to flip this a bit, a lot of more centrist Dems have purchased guns in the last year. So, I could imagine that coming into the discussion, so that a 10 round cap is brought back, and traditional handgun are excepted...for now. After all Harris owns a handgun, right?
They want to ban all guns eventually. Their language lacks specificy, and gives rise to various interpretations. This is deliberate.
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My inside sources tell me that the stated intention is an AWB. The unanswered question is how they will define "assault weapon." Some rumors that it will be defined as a "semi-automatice firearm capable of holding more than 10 rounds." This makes me nervous. First, if this is their definition, it may result in 9 round magazines, because a 10 round mag and a chambered round would be too much. Second, I'm worried about the word "capable" that's being thrown around. Any detachable magazine firearm is capable of holding any number of rounds, depending on the mag length.
Now, to flip this a bit, a lot of more centrist Dems have purchased guns in the last year. So, I could imagine that coming into the discussion, so that a 10 round cap is brought back, and traditional handgun are excepted...for now. After all Harris owns a handgun, right?
After AWBs, it will be “high powered sniper rifles” and “deadly street sweepers”...just wait...
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They need a reminder of what happened the last time.
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They need a reminder of what happened the last time.
Of course that's a two to four year wait where, depending on state/local LE in a lot of places, you have to hide your gun if you don't want to pay for the stamp.
When I bought my suppressors, the gun stores were adamant about making sure I keep a copy of the tax stamp with each can, always, for my own protection. Leads me to believe I wouldn't want to take a non-stamped rifle to the range in a lot of states if this passes.
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I just did a little reading on Joes' plan for taxing firearms & magazines.
There are more magazines headed my way.
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Depends on whether they will bide their time or get impatient and try to boil the frog immediately.
Note that even Rhodesia Zimbabwe didn't completely fall apart overnight when the barbarians took over. And even today, South Africa still has a semblance of civilization left.
More like an illusion.
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My prediction: The Dems won't pass an AWB until after the SCOTUS has been packed. And they have made it abundantly clear that they intend to pack the court. I expect that to happen fairly early in 2021.
Once the SCOTUS has been packed, their new AWB will be safe from being overturned by the court. More draconian gun control laws will follow shortly after the AWB.
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My prediction: The Dems won't pass an AWB until after the SCOTUS has been packed. And they have made it abundantly clear that they intend to pack the court. I expect that to happen fairly early in 2021.
Once the SCOTUS has been packed, their new AWB will be safe from being overturned by the court. More draconian gun control laws will follow shortly after the AWB.
All this depends on two Georgia races. If the Repubs win, resistance isn't futile. If the Dems win, resistance will be futile.
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All this depends on two Georgia races. If the Repubs win, resistance isn't futile. If the Dems win, resistance will be futile.
The Democrats will win. Georgia is using the same voting systems for the senatorial runoff election.
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The way I see it currently.
China doesn't like having an armed populace.
Our mass media/entertainment industry is either owned by or trying to curry China's favor.
A not insignificant amount of politicians have their financial destinies hooked up to China.
Leftists naturally don't want the populace armed, they are ideological allies with China even if not financially tied to them.
The treasonous Dems/Repubs already have a multi-step plan for disarming the US populace.
Probably in small steps at first.
Unfortunately it probably includes mass murder events to create fear and nudge the 2nd amendment fence sitters.
The restrictions will seem very reasonable to those who are younger than the tail end of the boomers.
I'm not sure exactly when, but they've stopped teaching that we have natural rights found in nature and endowed to us by natures God and instead inserted the "new and improved version" of "human" rights instead.
Natural rights are passé.
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Legislators don't enforce laws.
At some point we are going to need to make peace with the need to shoot cops who choose to enforce gun laws.
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Legislators don't enforce laws.
At some point we are going to need to make peace with the need to shoot cops who choose to enforce gun laws.
Maybe we will have sanctuary states that refuse to restrict the 2nd amendment and refuse to partner with Federal depts tasked with enforcing fed restrictions.
The propagandists are so good I suspect our position will look really ridiculous to the masses. It's not outside the realm of possibility that we lose without an organized resistance ever getting off the ground.
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It shouldn't be that hard to vilify police to most of the US.
Some dead kids in botched raids will suffice, and I suspect be easy to come by.
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Maybe we will have sanctuary states that refuse to restrict the 2nd amendment and refuse to partner with Federal depts tasked with enforcing fed restrictions.
The propagandists are so good I suspect our position will look really ridiculous to the masses. It's not outside the realm of possibility that we lose without an organized resistance ever getting off the ground.
2A sanctuary states may not be as easy as one might think.
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-when-conservatives-cant-even-guarantee-second-amendment-protection-in-oklahoma?fbclid=IwAR1up33JSkZmTDi3qIeUs4_mwJx4auw9c0vAlF-BA0H9KRcy1iNG-xHUk6Q (https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-when-conservatives-cant-even-guarantee-second-amendment-protection-in-oklahoma?fbclid=IwAR1up33JSkZmTDi3qIeUs4_mwJx4auw9c0vAlF-BA0H9KRcy1iNG-xHUk6Q)
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2A sanctuary states may not be as easy as one might think.
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-when-conservatives-cant-even-guarantee-second-amendment-protection-in-oklahoma?fbclid=IwAR1up33JSkZmTDi3qIeUs4_mwJx4auw9c0vAlF-BA0H9KRcy1iNG-xHUk6Q (https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-when-conservatives-cant-even-guarantee-second-amendment-protection-in-oklahoma?fbclid=IwAR1up33JSkZmTDi3qIeUs4_mwJx4auw9c0vAlF-BA0H9KRcy1iNG-xHUk6Q)
An interesting article -- and pretty much spot on.
So what would it take to create a viable Conservative Party as a third party in the United States?
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So what would it take to create a viable Conservative Party as a third party in the United States?
At this juncture? I'm leaning more toward Civil War 2.0 but that's a war that's lost before it begins.
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At this juncture? I'm leaning more toward Civil War 2.0 but that's a war that's lost before it begins.
I hate to agree, but it's looking more likely all the time.
(https://www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/vote-from-rooftops-701x525.jpg)
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I hate to agree, but it's looking more likely all the time.
https://www.politicususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/vote-from-rooftops-701x525.jpg
Cheese and Rice, if there was a stomach for it, it would of happened in September 13, 1994 or the day after.
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Cheese and Rice, if there was a stomach for it, it would of happened in September 13, 1994 or the day after.
I tend to agree, but one major change to the calculus is having seen example after example this year of group violence overwhelming and displacing US law enforcement.
And now we all wear masks.
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I'll be in my recliner. My G19 is right next to me. Molon Labe.
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Cheese and Rice, if there was a stomach for it, it would of happened in September 13, 1994 or the day after.
I was in my thirties, into politics, but unaware of the issues surrounding 2A.
A lot more folks owning AR15's now.
The majority are still unaware of what is happening wrt rkba, thanks to the internet a whole lot more educated gun owners now than there were then.
the liberals where i work own ar15's/guns in general. they will not be paying any fee's or registering nothing
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Cheese and Rice, if there was a stomach for it, it would of happened in September 13, 1994 or the day after.
Unlikely. Miller, GCA 68, 1986 act...
The AWB was small potatoes that only those in the know cared about. The general public figured out how much it sucked later, but that's hardly an implication of lack of stomach for a fight.
The rolling over and taking it on bump stocks bothers me, but they were a niche range toy, so I can see the majority of gun owners not knowing or caring about them.