Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on July 19, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
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What do you think? Is this group legit?
https://guardamerican.com/index.php/blog/151-personal-self-defense/950-lets-buy-george-a-new-gun
Personally, I doubt Z is going anywhere without a gun, or three. I'm sure he's managed to get one, by now. Still, since the Feds are being ig'nant, and keeping him from getting his gun back, I'd consider kicking in to get him a back-up, or a spare, or whatever he needs.
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FL Gun shop is giving him one:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/gun-shop-offers-free-gun-to-george-zimmerman/-/1637132/21034476/-/n4goenz/-/index.html
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FL Gun shop is giving him one:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/gun-shop-offers-free-gun-to-george-zimmerman/-/1637132/21034476/-/n4goenz/-/index.html
ATF will put them out of business by the end of the year.
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Wouldn't doubt it.
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FL Gun shop is giving him one:
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/gun-shop-offers-free-gun-to-george-zimmerman/-/1637132/21034476/-/n4goenz/-/index.html
A PF9. Cheap publicity.
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A PF9. Cheap publicity.
Isn't the PF9 what he had to begin with?
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Isn't the PF9 what he had to begin with?
Yup. They said they would give him one of those, or "another weapon suitable for concealed carry."
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GZ will need a Class 3 arsenal to deal with all the threats against his life...
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Brad Thor (helluva name, huh?), a noted author has tweeted that he'll give GZ the roscoe of his choice, and a supply of ammo for same. Drift the thread... If somedood offered you the CCW of your choice and basically limitless ammo, what would you take? I'm thinking some sort of uber-1911 in .45, just to get the most commercial value.
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Brad Thor (helluva name, huh?), a noted author has tweeted that he'll give GZ the roscoe of his choice, and a supply of ammo for same. Drift the thread... If somedood offered you the CCW of your choice and basically limitless ammo, what would you take? I'm thinking some sort of uber-1911 in .45, just to get the most commercial value.
Pretty much. Also, because it would be the most awesomes. :cool:
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Zimmerman is a marked man. The president himself has pretty much offered him up for sacrifice. Nothing George Z can 'pack', will save him from the assassin's bullet now.
Maybe going into the Witness Protection Program would help, but then that IS run by holder's DOJ, right? With the propensity for 'leaks' this administration has, Zimmerman's new ID would be public knowledge in hours. Holder's friends over at the New Black Panthers would be on Z like stink on, well, you know. :O
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If somedood offered you the CCW of your choice and basically limitless ammo, what would you take? I'm thinking some sort of uber-1911 in .45, just to get the most commercial value.
So you would sell it and buy something else?
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So you would sell it and buy something else?
I think by "commercial value," he meant that you'd ask for the most expensive gun on your wish list. Not because you want to sell it, but because you'd have a hard time paying for it yourself. That, and the price of ammo.
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So you would sell it and buy something else?
Yes, unless stipulated I had to actually tote it. I've got a fair number (chuckle) of handguns, but my choice for CCW has been a j-frame in a pocket and/or a Glock 9mm in a strong side holster. <ticks off on fingers> I think that comes to 8 Glocks aaaaand... uh... 6 J-frames, including my wife's purse guns, but not including the 3-inch full-lug M60 w/adj sights or the .22 Kit Gun. In all honesty, though, I've stashed about half the Glocks with other family members. In a moment of weakness and high BAC, I sold a co-worker a Colt LWC, which is about the only other CCW auto I'd consider.
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Brad Thor (helluva name, huh?), a noted author has tweeted that he'll give GZ the roscoe of his choice, and a supply of ammo for same. Drift the thread... If somedood offered you the CCW of your choice and basically limitless ammo, what would you take? I'm thinking some sort of uber-1911 in .45, just to get the most commercial value.
ten-ish years ago I had something a buddy wanted. He wanted to trade a gun for it. He had a S&W model 13, 3" barrel, round butt. I picked it up, and fell in love with it. It would be perfect.
Alas, the gun had a sprung crane. (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=104213&highlight=model+13+price+check) =(
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Any CCW of my choice and limitless ammo?
I'd push the luck and limits of such generosity and make an argument for two guns. In Z's shoes, I'd be carrying both, every day, for the next decade.
#1 would be a strong-side carry. Double-stack for a strong grip to minimize recoil. 9mm for capacity. XD9sc just feels freakin' awesome with the 13rd mags and replacement floorplate where the frontstrap is extended but the backstrap stays OEM short. Glock 26 would also be good, or CZ-75 RAMI possibly though I'd rather go polymer for weight and sweat protection.
#2 would be weak-side carry. Single-stack for maximum concealment. Pocket carry possibly, or IWB on the weak side, maybe ankle, or even something more tailored for concealment such as thunderwear or similar layered undergarment approach to concealment. Though I'd still want it immediately accessible if I'm in a hand to hand situation and my strong hand is busy doing something like holding off a weapon-wielding assailant or something like that. Maybe PF-9 again, but maybe even smaller. Not a revolver. Too much cylinder width. I'd go with a 2-shot derringer before a revolver (though those are heavy). Gotta be thin, lightweight, have a good fast draw that comes naturally to grip. Owning a PF-9, I've found it to be too thin and difficult to get to come naturally to grip. The XDs-45 is much faster and more natural in that regard, and practically the exact same dimensions as the PF-9. I don't have any experience with anything smaller than 9x18 in semiauto (PA-63, not something I'd choose for this role over my XDs or PF-9), but I'd shop heavily in the .32 and .380 market for something that has second-strike capability in a DA trigger that fit my size and grip dynamics requirements.
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Zimmerman, along with the whole world, has been notified that he is the target of a felony investigation. He's a prohibited person. All those who think prohibited persons are a good idea, here's how anything the government can do can be politicized and people lose their rights.
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He's still in Florida?!?!?! :O I would have lit out of that state as soon as I was cleared from trial, I wouldn't have stopped until my wheels hit Idaho or some other equally .gov unfriendly state and to heck what anyone thought about me.
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Zimmerman, along with the whole world, has been notified that he is the target of a felony investigation. He's a prohibited person. All those who think prohibited persons are a good idea, here's how anything the government can do can be politicized and people lose their rights.
I thought you had to be indicted? Indicted is not the same as being the target of a witch hunt investigation.
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Zimmerman, along with the whole world, has been notified that he is the target of a felony investigation. He's a prohibited person. All those who think prohibited persons are a good idea, here's how anything the government can do can be politicized and people lose their rights.
Ummm, no. He was found not guilty in state court of felony charges. He has yet to be charged by the feds for Civil rights violations. So he is not a prohibited person.
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html
The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).
These categories include any person:
Under indictment or information in any court for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
who is a fugitive from justice;
who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
who is an illegal alien;
who has been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions;
who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (enacted by the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997, Pub. L. No. 104-208, effective September 30, 1996). 18 USC 922(g) and (n).
What does "information" mean in the bold part above?
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even more thread drift, I bet if "GZ's gun" went up for auction it could go for a tidy sum.
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/identify-prohibited-persons.html
The Gun Control Act (GCA) makes it unlawful for certain categories of persons to ship, transport, receive, or possess firearms. 18 USC 922(g). Transfers of firearms to any such prohibited persons are also unlawful. 18 USC 922(d).
These categories include any person:
Under indictment or information in any court for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
convicted of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
who is a fugitive from justice;
who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
who is an illegal alien;
who has been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions;
who has renounced his or her United States citizenship;
who is subject to a court order restraining the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of the intimate partner; or
who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (enacted by the Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997, Pub. L. No. 104-208, effective September 30, 1996). 18 USC 922(g) and (n).
What does "information" mean in the bold part above?
There is no information in any court. The DOJ is re-looking at the Febbie's investigation to see if there's enough for a show trial, err lynch mob, civil rights violation. They have asked the state to retain the evidence from the criminal trial. But so far there has been nothing come down from the Feds. (Other then Holder and Obama fanning the flames.)
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What does "information" mean in the bold part above?
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_%28formal_criminal_charge%29), it's a "formal criminal charge made by a prosecutor, without the necessity of obtaining a grand jury indictment."
So, basically what the prosecutor did in the original case against Zimmerman.
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Zimmerman, along with the whole world, has been notified that he is the target of a felony investigation. He's a prohibited person. All those who think prohibited persons are a good idea, here's how anything the government can do can be politicized and people lose their rights.
How is he prohibited? He may be a target of an investigation, but he is not under indictment so there's nothing to (legally) trigger a prohibition.
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What does "information" mean in the bold part above?
It refers to a Bill of Information. It is a substitute for an indictment, in which the defense waives their right to a grand jury indictment. In my experience, it's usually something that happens in a pure slam dunk case where the defense is setting the case up for a plea, and trying to minimize the charges. Often, when the case is a no-brainer, and defense counsel is involved before the matter is presented to a grand jury, the defense will propose a bill of information to try and control the number of charges, thereby reducing the number of offenses and the length of possible sentences.
http://www.ohiolegalservices.org/public/legal_terms_dictionary/information-bill-of-information
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Speaking of which, how and why did the Z case skip the grand jury?
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Apparently, Florida law only requires an indictment on a capital murder charge...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennett-l-gershman/george-zimmerman-grand-jury_b_1445714.html
Didn't know SCOTUS had ruled Constitutional requirement only applied to federal charges..,
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What are the chances that someone in the DoJ or other agency has already salted the NICS system post-trial with enough bad info that Zimmerman would be denied if tried a background check?
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What are the chances that someone in the DoJ or other agency has already salted the NICS system post-trial with enough bad info that Zimmerman would be denied if tried a background check?
He would buy one in a private sale. I'm pretty sure George Zimmerman is going to get a gun (or three) and carry them, regardless what the law says.
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Ohio sent him over $12k for a new gun and security system.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/26/ohio-firearms-group-sends-george-zimmerman-12k-buy/
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Ohio sent him over $12k for a new gun and security system.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/26/ohio-firearms-group-sends-george-zimmerman-12k-buy/
How much would that buy in Patagonia ? =|
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Ohio sent him over $12k for a new gun and security system.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/26/ohio-firearms-group-sends-george-zimmerman-12k-buy/
Yep, BFA is a really good organization. They are also training school employees to respond to school shootings, since Ohio law allows school districts to permit weapons in schools. Because of them raising money for Zimmerman their website got hit with a massive DDoS attack that took down their entire ISP.
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Yep, BFA is a really good organization. They are also training school employees to respond to school shootings, since Ohio law allows school districts to permit weapons in schools. Because of them raising money for Zimmerman their website got hit with a massive DDoS attack that took down their entire ISP.
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living good is the best revenge, but it would be awesome to strike back at those responsible somehow. I guess the verdict was sweet retaliation.