Post by: Winston Smith on July 14, 2005, 11:57:53 AM
What do you guys think?
Post by: jefnvk on July 14, 2005, 12:24:33 PM
Of course, it would be sweet, but if I had a gun 15 feet away...
Post by: charby on July 14, 2005, 01:11:56 PM
Post by: onions! on July 14, 2005, 01:29:49 PM
Darth Jeff @ your service.
Post by: Gun Runner on July 14, 2005, 01:40:14 PM
Post by: possenti on July 14, 2005, 01:54:34 PM
Post by: BryanP on July 14, 2005, 04:57:26 PM
Post by: Stickjockey on July 14, 2005, 06:16:06 PM
GunRunner-
You know, a light saber. As opposed to the heavy ones.
Post by: Sindawe on July 14, 2005, 06:19:53 PM
Post by: grampster on July 14, 2005, 07:29:58 PM
The Mind (The Force) has the ability to create the saber and it invigorates the flesh.
The paradox (and the irony) is when The Darkside of The Force encourters and engages the Light. The Darkside is in the supine position because it fights using light.
Ergo: The Darkside is defeated; will be defeated, for a kingdom divided cannot stand.
Post by: Strings on July 14, 2005, 08:21:21 PM
Post by: RevDisk on July 14, 2005, 09:58:02 PM
Quote from: Hunter Rose
grampster's post reminded me of a problem I had with Ep1: the whole thing about Anakin "restoring balance to the Force". Since the Light side was in ascendancy, wouldn't "bringing balance" elevate the Dark side? Couldn't any of the Jedi figure THAT one out, and take appropriate measures (like maybe an "oops" in lightsaber practice)? Did anyone else notice this, or am I just weird?
Yep. Jedi had it coming. Balance WAS restored.
Post by: Bemidjiblade on July 15, 2005, 02:46:13 AM
1] The Sith are themselves an imballance in the force. There will/would be dark-siders always, but a dark sider is not a Sith Lord. When he killed the Emperor and then died, Anakin Skywalker balanced the force.
2] Anakin reballanced the Jedi. Quick review: Before Annie, the Jedi had become a totallitarian elitist theocracy in all effect. They had the right to take anyone's baby away from them because they, the government, knew best how to raise and train them. They decided what their students could and could not feel, whom they could or could not associate with, and forbade them any love, any children or attachments of their own. By the time I got done with Ep. 2 I couldn't wait for Darth Vader to start tearing down the system 'cause it was about as warped and controlling as any "evil" organization I'd ever heard of.
Afterwards, (though you have to get this out of the novels since Lucas was such an idiot he put off movies 7-9 so long that they had to be released in book form 'cause the actors got too old, a treachery for which he shall never be forgiven!) the Jedi grow up with their father and mother or what-have-you, they learn to love and value what they protect, and they learn that it doesn't lead to the darkside. The Jedi can love and marry, their education becomes a symposium intead of a theocratic dictatorship. Dark-siders are turned back to the light instead of simply killed like the old Jedi would do things.
I can go on and on, but the Star Wars universe, for all its problems, was much better afterwards than before. Ironically, if you read the Ep 3 novel, at the end you discover that the Jedi, not the Sith, discover immortality, and the first one is Qui Gon Jin, who discovered it through his love and compassion for living things. He was the first of the New Jedi.
Post by: Iapetus on July 15, 2005, 03:57:14 AM
Quote from: possenti
Not only could you own anyone in hand-to-hand combat, but it would make a kick-ass cigarette lighter.
I like to keep this handy, for close encounters.[/Cpl Hicks]
Post by: Nightfall on July 15, 2005, 07:16:41 AM
Post by: Strings on July 15, 2005, 07:39:19 AM
Post by: Justin on July 15, 2005, 01:24:28 PM
Post by: BryanP on July 15, 2005, 02:04:54 PM
My favorite webcomic having to do with the whole Star Wars fate of the Jedi thing can be found here:
http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050523.html
Hee. I still laugh when I read that.
Post by: RevDisk on July 15, 2005, 02:08:10 PM
Quote from: Bemidjiblade
2] Anakin reballanced the Jedi. Quick review: Before Annie, the Jedi had become a totallitarian elitist theocracy in all effect. They had the right to take anyone's baby away from them because they, the government, knew best how to raise and train them. They decided what their students could and could not feel, whom they could or could not associate with, and forbade them any love, any children or attachments of their own. By the time I got done with Ep. 2 I couldn't wait for Darth Vader to start tearing down the system 'cause it was about as warped and controlling as any "evil" organization I'd ever heard of.
Very well put. In Ep3, the Jedi were about as hostile to democracy as the Sith. Keep in mind, the Sith were voted into office. The jedi could have let the truth out. Nope, THEY knew what to do, what information to release, whom to spy on, etc. Yoda knew what he was doing as he was doing it. He knew of the imbalance in the force, and that the Jedi created it by becoming what they were. He knew what the prophecy really meant, and by fighting it so hard... brought it to fruition.
Post by: Nightfall on July 15, 2005, 02:54:43 PM
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Has anyone else seen the episode of The Venture Brothers where they have a yard sale?
Now that's a funny show.
Post by: thorn on July 15, 2005, 03:48:52 PM
Quote from: Winston Smith
Wouldn't it be the sweetest? Even without force powers, with a limited amount of training you could own anybody in hand to hand combat.. jeeze...
What do you guys think?
oh yes, i want one. YES!!
What do you guys think?
Post by: Guest on July 15, 2005, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: Hunter Rose
grampster's post reminded me of a problem I had with Ep1: the whole thing about Anakin "restoring balance to the Force". Since the Light side was in ascendancy, wouldn't "bringing balance" elevate the Dark side? Couldn't any of the Jedi figure THAT one out, and take appropriate measures (like maybe an "oops" in lightsaber practice)? Did anyone else notice this, or am I just weird?
Yeah, my 12 year old cousin connected the dots on this within 5 minutes of hearing it. Apparently the Jedi were too stupid to actually figure out the words that they themselves were saying. It kinda makes sense when you think about it. Obi Wan completely forgets about two of the biggest characters in his life when he runs accross them a few years later. The more i watch the new movies the more i believe that the Jedi had it coming.
Post by: thorn on July 15, 2005, 11:57:09 PM
WHOA!!!! finallly some light on that subject, (7-9) , thanks!!!
Post by: Kharn on July 16, 2005, 02:48:09 AM
Quote from: BryanP
Hey now, lay off the nerds. Why is it any more odd to know all the details about a particular fictional series than to know all the details about hundreds of obsolete firearms (ya C&R types ...) or to know various reloading data by heart? Hmmm?
My favorite webcomic having to do with the whole Star Wars fate of the Jedi thing can be found here:
http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050523.html
Hee. I still laugh when I read that.
lmao My favorite webcomic having to do with the whole Star Wars fate of the Jedi thing can be found here:
http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050523.html
Hee. I still laugh when I read that.
Kharn
Post by: Bemidjiblade on July 16, 2005, 09:42:59 AM
1] I like to believe that I have a life.
2] I work full time all night, have about 5 hours of court ordered stuff a week, am currently working through a grad level analysis of Philemon published by Concordia, entertain friends w/ role playing games, write novels and short stories with a profoud lack of financial success equalled only by my hopeless determination, meet w/ a local pastor and discuss theology a time or two a week, research random things online as they grab my curiosity (Two weeks ago's topic was the educational curriculum of pre-Norman celtic monasticism and its interplay with bardic and druidic traditions), go to movies, train in the martial arts on my own, but alas, Sunday a duel w/ a pretty woman in the cities fell through 'cause one of my pastors had a heart attack. I was even willing to slum it and fence foil instead of saber, my raison-d'etre, I also have an exercise bike going whenever I'm reading or watching TV.
3] How do I have a life? Well... Back when I was younger and swam a mile or two every morning before Hebrew class, I developed a motto that has served me well: "Sleep is a poor substitute for caffeine", and diet cola is cheep.
MUAHAHAHAHA.
It also helps to ahve an 80% retention rate.
PS. If you want to know how the story "ends", or at least, the end of Lucas' original storyline, the three novels are "Heir to the Empire" by Timothy Zahn. Lucas gave him the plot line and Zahn, a well above average Sci-Fi writer, did them much justice. They were published in the early 90's, when it became clear that the movie deals for the last three movies would fall through. In all fairness, I must warn you that the world only gets cooler after Endor, and you may be sucked in as I did, until you end up reading a Star Wars novel a night for amonth or to until you get all caught up. (Looks for an innocent smiley w/ devil's horns...)
Post by: Risasi on July 18, 2005, 03:31:55 AM
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When he killed the Emperor and then died, Anakin Skywalker balanced the force.
I concur, sort of. Force was balanced after all but four Jedi were destroyed; Palpatine and Anakin, Dark Side. Yoda and Obi Wan, Light Side. Of course Luke comes along and mucks up the works. Once he's a Jedi there is imbalance. But in the meantime, Obiwan, then Yoda die. Leaving Luke and two Dark Side Jedi. You can argue all sorts of things during this time. Confusing it is, hmm?
Course we kill all the previous characters and we're just left with Luke. Who uses both light and dark side forces. He's become something new entirely. A "cowboy".
Regardless this is just the old greek stoic/Epicurus hedonism argument of time past. Neither side is right. So in the end then we find principle rather than a set of laws forbidding or allowing.
Geez, how's that for nerd..
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Fixed spelling. :embarrased:
Post by: Strings on July 18, 2005, 08:45:46 AM
Post by: Risasi on July 18, 2005, 12:34:19 PM
If I were a Bene Gesserit witch I would be pointing at Luke and screaming "Abomination"!!
:smile: I always preferred the Dune universe anyway...
Here's the scoop, Luke uses both Light and Dark side Forces. He was tempted with joining the Dark side by Palpatine, but refused and overcame the Dark side. Some would argue that Luke completely denied the Dark side in Revenge of the Jedi. But that is not what is indicated in the books following RoTJ.
It's as if he master both and creates his own destiny. And all the old Jedi ways are busted down. All the stuff they allude to in AoTC and RoTS. The council dictating how you live, like the forbidding of marriage, etc. Force is force is force. Like all substances it is not inherently good or evil. It's is the heart of man where we find evil.
Jedi Council = Babylon Priestcraft/Communism
Sith = Macedonian Atainment / Nazi-Facism
Force, generally speaking = panteistic ideology
Who cares really, Lucas ruined the series with the prequels. Vader has always been the central character.
Lucas is one very odd fellow. Either way the universe is no longer "fun".
What I find most interesting is what is written on Vader's breathing apparatus.
Post by: brimic on July 18, 2005, 04:17:15 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 18, 2005, 06:04:47 PM
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What I find most interesting is what is written on Vader's breathing apparatus.
Nice cliffhanger. Now if we all bow before your superior nerdiness, will you tell us what is there written?
Post by: Sindawe on July 18, 2005, 08:59:03 PM
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So Risasi: are you trying to say that first there was "Light" and "Dark", and now there's "Twilight" or "Grey"?
We are grey, we stand between the candle and the darkness...
Post by: Risasi on July 19, 2005, 05:03:40 AM
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Nice cliffhanger. Now if we all bow before your superior nerdiness, will you tell us what is there written?
Nerdiness?...with a title like that I don't know whether to be proud, hurt or amused. Great I'll never have a girlfriend now. Anyway:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/chestplate.html
Essentially it's in ancient Hebrew, three lines of text. The middle is either cut, or upside down.
And it say something along the line: "His deeds shall not be forgiven until he merits" or "Until he merits he shall not be redeemed".
I am sure Lucas is a crack smoker.
Sindawe,
I am merely spewing the drivel to be found in the SW universe, never said I believe it. But yeah, the conclusion is "balance" via a mix of light and dark.
BTW If you want to go for extra credit;
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/injuries.html
Here you find a write up of the injuries of Vader, this is pre-prequel too. You will find inconsistancies in this vs Ep. III. Which makes me further dislike the EP I,II,III series.
Either way who cares really, they are just movies after all. Lucas sucks, he now finishes on a bad note. And he never would have had the success he has unless he ripped the main story line from Hidden Fortress.
Post by: Risasi on July 19, 2005, 05:10:31 AM
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Post by: Risasi on July 19, 2005, 09:40:30 AM