Post by: Polishrifleman on January 08, 2008, 01:10:46 PM
I can't believe this stuff. What do they think happens at bars? We already lost the smoking here in Washington. I'm not a smoker but believe in the freedom of choice, you can choose to smoke and I can choose to go somewhere else or just hang out. I can choose to swear at that dumb football coach on TV! Whatever, just another idiotic way for the offended few to put the clamps on the majority of sane people.
Post by: wooderson on January 08, 2008, 01:16:41 PM
Post by: The Viking on January 08, 2008, 01:22:53 PM
The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
The only good thing about smoking bans is that you come home not smelling like an ashtray. I smoked LESS when smoking in bars was allowed over here. Buy a pack, go out, have a few beers, have the occasional cigarette, the pack would last me more than a month sometimes. After that, I smoked ten deathstix per day :/. Now I've quit. 8 days, doing fine, though I'm hungry all the time now.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
There are scads of them. Tune in to your local talk radio shows. When you suggest that the customers who don't like smoke could go elsewhere, they just ask, "What about the employees?"
Post by: Paddy on January 08, 2008, 01:32:41 PM
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The proposal would ban indecent, profane or obscene language, songs, entertainment and literature at bars.
Here in California, you can do any @#$% thing you want in a bar. Except smoke or drop your pants.
Post by: Paddy on January 08, 2008, 01:34:40 PM
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The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
Then let me be the first, wooderson. In fact the whole smoking ban thing started here in San Luis Obispo, CA.
p.s. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a former 3 pack a day smoker.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2008, 01:36:51 PM
Post by: charby on January 08, 2008, 01:44:31 PM
Only he would ban profanity and obsentity. 
Post by: Polishrifleman on January 08, 2008, 01:47:03 PM
Hey did you knowingly take a job at a cigar club? Why Yes. Did you know that people were going to be smoking while you worked? Why Yes. Did you know second hand smoke kills? Why Yes. So you willingly and knowingly endangered yourself? Why Yes. Can you explain your rational? Why Yes, the tips are (I mean were) great.
Post by: Iain on January 08, 2008, 01:48:39 PM
The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
There are scads of them. Tune in to your local talk radio shows. When you suggest that the customers who don't like smoke could go elsewhere, they just ask, "What about the employees?"
I can't say that I'm a big fan of them, but I do like a drink occasionally and I do have fairly serious lung issues. I'd have preferred a free market solution, but up until the ban I'd have had to go about twenty miles to get a smoke-free drink and I live in a fairly dense urban area.
One big national chain were going to go non-smoking, they already had some no smoking pubs, but with the legislation that looked likely to come into effect I think it was a bit of free publicity prior to being pushed anyway.
Local publicans have been heard to complain, but pubs are now nicer places to be, and I'm sure a lot of smokers share that sentiment. The ban has been in place since July, with little comment at the time, I expected public complaints to rise when the weather got colder, but I've not heard many complaints.
Post by: Paddy on January 08, 2008, 01:51:19 PM
Actually, Barry Goldwater started the smoking ban craze way back when.
It's possible. Republicans DID start the pants dropping craze.
Post by: Polishrifleman on January 08, 2008, 02:03:44 PM
Post by: Bogie on January 08, 2008, 02:12:01 PM
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Post by: Polishrifleman on January 08, 2008, 02:19:43 PM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on January 08, 2008, 03:00:28 PM
You can say second hand smoke does no harm to others if you want (I disagree) so I should just shut up and put up with it and the smell. Fine, I can live with that but I'm pretty sure if I were seated at the table next to you and started cutting some really foul smelling cheese repeatedly (I have ulcerative colitis so I'm rather good at it), you'd probably get pretty upset.
But, don't worry, second hand wind is not dangerous, it just smells rather bad.
Post by: wooderson on January 08, 2008, 03:13:49 PM
If one were instituted locally I'd take full advantage, mind you. My sinuses flood within minutes of entering a bar or club, very unpleasant.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2008, 05:51:44 PM
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it is not likely they would respect my right to clean air in a restaurant.
Bob, do you honestly believe that you have such a right?
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You can say second hand smoke does no harm to others if you want (I disagree) so I should just shut up and put up with it and the smell.
Second-hand smoke does no harm, if you simply avoid places where people smoke. That is what you have a right to do. I don't think you should put up with it. But if you are going to demand control of others' property, then you should most certainly shut up and go somewhere where folks aren't smokin.
I don't smoke, but I respect the rights of business owners to please their customers, within reason.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 08, 2008, 05:56:10 PM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on January 08, 2008, 06:11:40 PM
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it is not likely they would respect my right to clean air in a restaurant.
Bob, do you honestly believe that you have such a right?
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You can say second hand smoke does no harm to others if you want (I disagree) so I should just shut up and put up with it and the smell.
I don't smoke, but I respect the rights of business owners to please their customers, within reason.
Sure I believe I have a right to clean air in a restaurant but, being a realist.....
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You can say second hand smoke does no harm to others if you want (I disagree) so I should just shut up and put up with it and the smell. Fine, I can live with that but I'm pretty sure if I were seated at the table next to you and started cutting some really foul smelling cheese repeatedly (I have ulcerative colitis so I'm rather good at it), you'd probably get pretty upset.
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Second-hand smoke does no harm, if you simply avoid places where people smoke. That is what you have a right to do. I don't think you should put up with it. But if you are going to demand control of others' property, then you should most certainly shut up and go somewhere where folks aren't smokin.
And thats what I do. Avoid establishments where smoking is allowed whenever possible although, sometimes its hard to avoid, if you want to have a life. However, I don't have to shut up about anything as I have as much right to talk as someone else has to smoke. They in turn, have every right to complain about me passing gas at the table next to them which, after all, does them no harm, its just really obnoxious.
I'm a fair man.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 08, 2008, 07:31:49 PM
Sure I believe I have a right to clean air in a restaurant but, being a realist.....
Is there some award for irony for which you are competing?
You have a first amendment right to blather about your non-existent right to dictate to other people that their property will be non-smoking. Doesn't mean you should make a fool of yourself by exercising that right.
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Avoid establishments where smoking is allowed whenever possible although, sometimes its hard to avoid, if you want to have a life.
Cake-walk. Try dating a girl for two years, who won't go to any place that serves alcohol (which rules out almost all of the "nice" restaurants and a lot of the good ones, and a lot of music venues), and won't go to movies. Then marry the girl.
But I made my choice, so I deal with it.
Post by: mustanger98 on January 08, 2008, 08:35:37 PM
I think fistful is on the city council in St Charles.. Only he would ban profanity and obsentity.
Only he would ban profanity and obsentity. So which is fistful's fault? The profanity/obscenity or the ban?
Post by: J.J. on January 09, 2008, 10:23:41 AM
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The proposal would ban indecent, profane or obscene language, songs, entertainment and literature at bars.
So you can't say what you want, you can't listen to what you want, and you can't READ what you want...
So you will go to a bar to pay $3 for a bottle of beer to sit around hearing the crickets....
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I like the Header of the article:
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But if I go outside, I might offend the smokers
that was very funny
Post by: MrRezister on January 09, 2008, 11:16:50 AM
The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
Check Huckabee. He pushed the current ban on smoking in restaraunts 'round here. I don't care for the intrusion into a private business, but I guess since we need someone to check the quality of the food we are getting, we may as well have someone check the quality of the air in there as well. Now if the .gov would just make sure they all quit serving fatty foods and start using less electricity and ban dangerously sharp forks and not engage in any offensive feng shui, I guess EVERYONE would be happy and healthy!
Post by: roo_ster on January 09, 2008, 11:31:09 AM
The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
You have never met my sister 7 BIL. They are not health nazis, though, just mere health authoritarians.
Post by: roo_ster on January 09, 2008, 11:32:34 AM
Supporters have to exist - just in a milieu far different from mine.
If one were instituted locally I'd take full advantage, mind you. My sinuses flood within minutes of entering a bar or club, very unpleasant.
If one were instituted locally I'd take full advantage, mind you. My sinuses flood within minutes of entering a bar or club, very unpleasant.
Ahh, a fellow man with an "Achilles Sinus" like myself.
Post by: charby on January 09, 2008, 01:13:34 PM
I think fistful is on the city council in St Charles.. Only he would ban profanity and obsentity.
Only he would ban profanity and obsentity. So which is fistful's fault? The profanity/obscenity or the ban?
The ban..
J/k Fistful I had to blame someone.Post by: Paddy on January 09, 2008, 01:18:17 PM
Maybe he has control issues on top of everything else.
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 09, 2008, 01:50:56 PM
The weird thing about smoking bans and such is that I've never talked to anyone who wholeheartedly supports them - left-wing, right-wing or other.
I support smoking bans in any public place, or establishment with employees. If you are the sole owner proprietor and employee then the government should have to kiss off.
Post by: MrRezister on January 09, 2008, 02:12:09 PM
I support smoking bans in any public place, or establishment with employees. If you are the sole owner proprietor and employee then the government should have to kiss off.
But if people choose to work for you and/or patronize your establishment, then screw your private property rights.
Post by: 280plus on January 09, 2008, 06:43:37 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 09, 2008, 06:51:15 PM
I thought fistful didn't go into bars. Why would he care what they did or didn't do in bars?
Maybe he has control issues on top of everything else.
Maybe he has control issues on top of everything else.
But I'm opposed to smoking bans. And you support smoking bans, right?
Post by: Paddy on January 09, 2008, 07:50:15 PM
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But I'm opposed to smoking bans. And you support smoking bans, right?
Yes, because I believe government should be as intrusive and curtail as many liberties as possible.
Oh, wait. That's not me. That's GWB and the GOP.
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 09, 2008, 08:30:08 PM
Post by: seeker_two on January 10, 2008, 01:45:31 AM
Personally, I'll frequent the non-smoking establishments on most occasions. Sometimes, I'll go for the smoke. I just don't want to go to the ones that occasionally burst into flames.....
