Post by: Tecumseh on January 22, 2008, 12:34:26 PM
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Heath Ledger found dead in NYC apartment
Authorities say Oscar-nominated actor's death possibly drug related
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updated 4:32 p.m. CT, Tues., Jan. 22, 2008
NEW YORK - Heath Ledger was found dead Tuesday in a Manhattan apartment in a possible drug-related death, police said. He was 28.
According to the New York Times, Ledger was found naked and unconscious with pills strewn all around him in an apartment owned by actress Mary-Kate Olsen.
NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said Ledger had an appointment for a massage at the apartment. The housekeeper, who went to let Ledger know the masseuse was there, found him unconscious at approximately 3:30 p.m. ET, according to the New York Times. After receiving no response from the actor after shaking him, they called authorities.
We are investigating the possibility of an overdose, Browne said. There were pills within the vicinity of the bed.
The Australian-born actor was nominated for an Oscar for Brokeback Mountain, where he met his wife, actress Michelle Williams, in 2005. Ledger and Williams had lived in Brooklyn and had a daughter, Matilda, until they split up last year.
Ledger was to appear as the Joker this year in The Dark Knight, a sequel to 2005s Batman Begins. Hes had starring roles in A Knights Tale and The Patriot, and played the suicidal son of Billy Bob Thornton in Monsters Ball.
Ledger grew up in Perth, and began doing amateur theater at age 10. At 16, he moved to Sydney to pursue an acting career, quickly landing TV movie roles and guest spots on Australian television.
After several independent films and a starring role in the short-lived Fox TV series Roar, Ledger moved to Los Angeles and costarred in 10 Things I Hate About You, a teen comedy reworking of The Taming of the Shrew.
Offers for other teen flicks came his way, but Ledger turned them down, preferring to remain idle than sign on for projects he didnt like.
It wasnt a hard decision for me, Ledger told the Associated Press in 2001. It was hard for everyone else around me to understand. Agents were like, Youre crazy, my parents were like, Come on, you have to eat.
His latest role was in Im Not There, in which he played one of the many incarnations of Bob Dylan as did Cate Blanchett, whose performance in that film earned an Oscar nomination Tuesday for best supporting actress.
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Post by: The Viking on January 22, 2008, 12:39:55 PM
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Post by: CAnnoneer on January 22, 2008, 01:08:52 PM
Post by: Balog on January 22, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 22, 2008, 02:30:40 PM
Post by: Iain on January 22, 2008, 02:34:39 PM
Also says he was filiming with Terry Gilliam.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 22, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
sad, he was a good actor. and yes the filming is done on the batman movie.
Post by: Sindawe on January 22, 2008, 04:17:28 PM
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Dated costar Lisa Zane while they were filming "Roar"
AHHH!!!! THATS why he looked so damn familar.
Post by: Tecumseh on January 22, 2008, 06:13:01 PM
Let's try this again.
People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
Do you have any sources that the drugs were recreational? How do you know they were not prescribed to him? People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
Maybe it is my good Christian upbringing, but I believe that we should not judge others lest ye be judged yourself. My belief in 'Lil Baby Jesus says we should care about all life, but thats just my good Christian upbringing.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on January 22, 2008, 06:19:16 PM
...my good Christian upbringing...
Post by: K Frame on January 22, 2008, 06:51:29 PM
Let's try this again.
People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
If you care so little, perhaps you should just skip the thread and keep your opinion to yourself.
Post by: Aaryq on January 22, 2008, 07:55:22 PM
Mourning aside, maybe it's because I find it difficult to trust a lot of people, but pills all around him sounds kind of fishy to me. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it sounds a little fishy.
Post by: BridgeWalker on January 22, 2008, 08:18:56 PM
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but it sounds a little fishy.
Sounds like possible suicide to me. Perhaps directly intentional, perhaps marginally intentional. He got very famous very fast. That seems to mess up a lot of people.
Post by: wooderson on January 22, 2008, 08:32:04 PM
Never thought of him as an actor I was interested in, but he was in a surprising number of movies I did like (including, yes, Brokeback). Sucks that he had to die young with a two-year old daughter.
A victim of the Internet age in a way - because an early report mentioned pills, with no other context or explanation, millions of people jump to the conclusion that he killed himself. That's an impression that will last in the public mind, even if incorrect, and will haunt his kid later in life ('your dad offed himself' on the playground, etc.).
Post by: BridgeWalker on January 22, 2008, 08:59:39 PM
Police are apparently telling his family it was an accident - he'd been sick (pneumonia or something) and got his meds mixed up.
Yeah, your comments on people thinking of suicide are probably correct. I think I just figured that because I've seen it happen to friends. You think of what you have experienced. I meant nothing but compassion with my comment though.
But to mix up meds while sick--that is horrible. People who are sick like that shouldn't be alone to fend. A very dear friend is a widower with some chronic illnesses and no one closer than my family--an hour away. Every time he is sick, I worry about something like this happening.
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 22, 2008, 09:59:46 PM
Post by: seeker_two on January 23, 2008, 01:29:57 AM
He'll be the James Dean of the 21st century.....
Post by: Iain on January 23, 2008, 01:57:38 AM
Who?
Batman - The Dark Knight (2008)
I'm Not There (2007)
Brokeback Mountain (2005)
The Brothers Grimm (2005)
Ned Kelly (2003)
Monster's Ball (2001)
A Knight's Tale (2001)
The Patriot (2000)
Never seen or heard of any of those?
Post by: CAnnoneer on January 23, 2008, 02:17:39 AM
Maybe it is my good Christian upbringing, but I believe that we should not judge others lest ye be judged yourself. My belief in 'Lil Baby Jesus says we should care about all life, but thats just my good Christian upbringing.
What a bizarre way to attack Christianity.
Post by: El Tejon on January 23, 2008, 02:50:39 AM
I've lost two to Ambien so you would think the doc would tell him to be careful.
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 02:57:22 AM
Who?
Batman - The Dark Knight (2008)
I'm Not There (2007)
Brokeback Mountain (2005)
The Brothers Grimm (2005)
Ned Kelly (2003)
Monster's Ball (2001)
A Knight's Tale (2001)
The Patriot (2000)
Never seen or heard of any of those?
Nope...
Post by: Jamisjockey on January 23, 2008, 03:02:03 AM
Let's try this again.
People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
Do you have any sources that the drugs were recreational? How do you know they were not prescribed to him? People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
Maybe it is my good Christian upbringing, but I believe that we should not judge others lest ye be judged yourself. My belief in 'Lil Baby Jesus says we should care about all life, but thats just my good Christian upbringing.
Why hasn't this guy been booted yet?
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People who OD on recreational drugs are IMHO Darwin Award material. I'm sure it's sad for his family, but I find it difficult to care.
Way to jump to conclusions.
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 03:03:03 AM
Post by: BryanP on January 23, 2008, 03:26:12 AM
I heard it reported that it was sleeping pills. Reportedly the role of the Joker caused him not to sleep and he was prescribed Ambien.
I've lost two to Ambien so you would think the doc would tell him to be careful.
I've lost two to Ambien so you would think the doc would tell him to be careful.
Ambien is a very dangerous drug if abused. I've seen people do some truly bizarre things after taking too much or who took it and something else they shouldn't have. Including one "Let me have the gun, no one is trying to get you" moment.
Post by: Ben on January 23, 2008, 03:41:42 AM
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Maybe it is my good Christian upbringing, but I believe that we should not judge others lest ye be judged yourself. My belief in 'Lil Baby Jesus says we should care about all life, but thats just my good Christian upbringing.
We got it like ten threads ago. Knock it off.
Post by: brimic on January 23, 2008, 03:43:54 AM
Post by: Iain on January 23, 2008, 05:12:01 AM
Nope...
Liar.
Ned Kelly was pretty good, look it up some time. Don't know who made it.
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 05:13:40 AM
If anyone else decides to share their views on this subject, or any similar subject, by essentially celebrating the demise of an individual, the post AND the poster will be immediately and permanently removed from APS (Remember what that middle initial stands for?)
If you don't have anything good to say about someone, that's fine.
If you don't like their profession, that's fine.
If you're upset at the fact that drug use/abuse may have been the cause of death, that's fine.
Just be very, very careful how you string all those thoughts together.
I'll say it again, just so it's very, very clear...
If anyone else decides to share their views on this subject, or any similar subject, by essentially celebrating the demise of an individual, the post AND the poster will be immediately and permanently removed from APS
Post by: Dannyboy on January 23, 2008, 05:20:00 AM
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 05:22:10 AM
http://imdb.com/title/tt0277941/
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 05:31:18 AM
Nope...
Liar.
Ned Kelly was pretty good, look it up some time. Don't know who made it.
I've heard of a few of them but SWEAR I've never seen any of them. Maybe snippets of Patriot.The link Mike provided indicated it was good but historically inaccurate. Unfortunate. Why is it these people think they can take fact and twist it into fiction to suit their own needs? What Disney did to "The Jungle Books" is a frikking travesty. Ned's story would stand alone without the embellishment. Ah well, I digress.
It's always sad when a young life is snuffed out in it's prime, regardless of how. He has one consolation, while the rest of us grow old, he will always remain young in our minds.
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 05:33:31 AM
Why?
Because history has a distinct tendency to be god awful boring at times.
Post by: Tecumseh on January 23, 2008, 05:43:06 AM
Oh hold on a minute... Ned Kelly? I've read a lot about Ned Kelly, never knew there was a movie about him. Who made it, an Australian company or Hollywierd?
I believe it was an Australian movie. It was not a bad movie at all.
Post by: Manedwolf on January 23, 2008, 05:45:54 AM
Westboro Baptist is going to picket his funeral because of Brokeback Mountain.
http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg
Thing is, I would expect this would be in Australia. I doubt the Aussies would have reservations about kicking the crap out of these clowns.
Post by: BridgeWalker on January 23, 2008, 05:50:32 AM
Westboro Baptist is going to picket his funeral because of Brokeback Mountain.
http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/o93lgl.jpg
Now *that's* giving Christianity a bad name. How sad.
Ambien sure explains it. I fully retract my first comment. I actually took that stuff briefly, after I lost a close relative, back before anyone knew how dangerous it is to stay awake after taking it. I'm glad I survived...
Post by: Manedwolf on January 23, 2008, 05:52:31 AM
I figure that whenever Phelps dies, he'll just explode into noxious, dark fumes or something.
Post by: BryanP on January 23, 2008, 06:11:46 AM
Thing is, I would expect this would be in Australia. I doubt the Aussies would have reservations about kicking the crap out of these clowns.
In that case we can only hope they'll try.
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 06:28:51 AM
"Why is it these people think they can take fact and twist it into fiction to suit their own needs?"
Why?
Because history has a distinct tendency to be god awful boring at times.
Yea, well,,,that don't make it right... Why?
Because history has a distinct tendency to be god awful boring at times.
Post by: Antibubba on January 23, 2008, 06:45:12 AM
El Tejon said
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I've lost two to Ambien so you would think the doc would tell him to be careful.
Eh?
Post by: geronimotwo on January 23, 2008, 07:05:02 AM
i enjoyed some of his movies,and i hope his kid does okay. rip
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 07:08:34 AM
Great, I can see the message on the movie screen now...
"In order to placate some whiny literalist members of the movie going audience, the next four hours will be devoted to footage of the landscape outside a moving train window.
This accurately and realistically portrays the subject's incredibly boring, uneventful, 4 hour train ride from Thumbsuck City to Blumpiedump Junction. After he arrives at Blumpiedump Junction, nothing else happens, so you might as well go home.
On your way, swing by 280's house and crunch a loaf on his front steps to let him know what a boring prat he is..."
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 23, 2008, 07:20:27 AM
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Batman - The Dark Knight (2008)
I'm Not There (2007)
Brokeback Mountain (2005)
The Brothers Grimm (2005)
Ned Kelly (2003)
Monster's Ball (2001)
A Knight's Tale (2001)
The Patriot (2000)
Never seen or heard of any of those?
I'm Not There (2007)
Brokeback Mountain (2005)
The Brothers Grimm (2005)
Ned Kelly (2003)
Monster's Ball (2001)
A Knight's Tale (2001)
The Patriot (2000)
Never seen or heard of any of those?
Maybe The Patriot - I think it had Mel Gibson in it, right?
I don't watch many movies, sorry.
Maybe it's my Christian Upbringing.
Of course, my Christian Upbringing is about ready to kick Tecumseh's Christian Upbringing in the posterior for deliberately stirring up poop, too. Li'l Baby Jesus would heartily approve.
Post by: Iain on January 23, 2008, 07:32:43 AM
Maybe The Patriot - I think it had Mel Gibson in it, right?
Two Australians (playing Australians or any other nationality, that's irrelevant) kicking evil English ass? If I didn't know it was a Mel Gibson movie I'd suspect it is.Ned Kelly is worth seeing, Knight's Tale is entertaining, and if you can cut through the surrounding nonsense, Ledger's performance in Brokeback is the one that will earn him a place in film history. Apparently E. Annie Proulx thinks he understood the character better than she did.
As for Phelps - well MCU and my adult experience with Christians doesn't lead me to place Phelps-brood amongst the saved. But this agnostic is in no place to judge. The Australians used to have a rather unpleasant facility for 'foreign undesirables', they shut it down a few years ago though.
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 23, 2008, 07:34:43 AM
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The Australians used to have a rather unpleasant facility for 'foreign undesirables', they shut it down a few years ago though.
A prisoner island having one of those. Who would'a thunk?
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on January 23, 2008, 07:39:50 AM
BTW, mostly got wrote off as a teen and chick flick, but "ten things i hate about you" is actually a really good movie. deffinatly a better take on shakespeare then some of the other stuff to come out in the past ten years or so.
as for the circumstances of his death, well, i'll chalk it up to the curse of the potentially great actors who die young.
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 07:47:35 AM
"Yea, well,,,that don't make it right..."
Great, I can see the message on the movie screen now...
"In order to placate some whiny literalist members of the movie going audience, the next four hours will be devoted to footage of the landscape outside a moving train window.
This accurately and realistically portrays the subject's incredibly boring, uneventful, 4 hour train ride from Thumbsuck City to Blumpiedump Junction. After he arrives at Blumpiedump Junction, nothing else happens, so you might as well go home.
On your way, swing by 280's house and crunch a loaf on his front steps to let him know what a boring prat he is..."
Works for me... I like looking out the window on train rides. Great, I can see the message on the movie screen now...
"In order to placate some whiny literalist members of the movie going audience, the next four hours will be devoted to footage of the landscape outside a moving train window.
This accurately and realistically portrays the subject's incredibly boring, uneventful, 4 hour train ride from Thumbsuck City to Blumpiedump Junction. After he arrives at Blumpiedump Junction, nothing else happens, so you might as well go home.
On your way, swing by 280's house and crunch a loaf on his front steps to let him know what a boring prat he is..."
I'm going on one tomorrow. Hartford to NYC, damn near 3 hours.
All I'm saying is if they're going to protray a factual event or series of events the least they could do is try to stay somewhere near the facts. That don't mean it has to be boring.
Now, would you go try and get the wad out of those panties of yours please?
Post by: Manedwolf on January 23, 2008, 07:48:40 AM
The Australians used to have a rather unpleasant facility for 'foreign undesirables', they shut it down a few years ago though.
They closed Sydney?
Post by: Gewehr98 on January 23, 2008, 07:53:11 AM
I thought maybe they finally shut down Alice Springs. I know I found it unpleasant when I was there.
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 08:26:02 AM
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 08:35:03 AM
No problem, I just left it on your front porch!
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 08:37:39 AM
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 08:38:25 AM
You'll have to go in the backdoor until you can get a shovel...
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 08:46:36 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on January 23, 2008, 08:55:39 AM
Even a second of the nooz on XM while getting lunch:
"There hasn't yet been any determination of whether illegal drugs were not present..."
What?
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 08:57:46 AM
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 23, 2008, 09:14:16 AM
you forgot "ten things i hate about you" and "dogtown"
BTW, mostly got wrote off as a teen and chick flick, but "ten things i hate about you" is actually a really good movie. deffinatly a better take on shakespeare then some of the other stuff to come out in the past ten years or so.
as for the circumstances of his death, well, i'll chalk it up to the curse of the potentially great actors who die young.
BTW, mostly got wrote off as a teen and chick flick, but "ten things i hate about you" is actually a really good movie. deffinatly a better take on shakespeare then some of the other stuff to come out in the past ten years or so.
as for the circumstances of his death, well, i'll chalk it up to the curse of the potentially great actors who die young.
Also "The Four Feathers" and "Casanova", if you're looking for more historic incaccuracy in a not bad movie.
I'd rather it be an accident than deliberate, he seemed a fairly locked on young man for being caught up in the "star world".
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 23, 2008, 12:27:30 PM
Maybe The Patriot - I think it had Mel Gibson in it, right?
Two Australians (playing Australians or any other nationality, that's irrelevant) kicking evil English ass? If I didn't know it was a Mel Gibson movie I'd suspect it is. I found that interesting, too. But Gibson was apparently born and raised in the U.S., by an American father and Irish mother. They moved to Australia when Mel was twelve. That's according to Wiki, at least.
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
Post by: K Frame on January 23, 2008, 12:52:04 PM
To some degrees it was accurate, but in others no, it wasn't. It also soft shoed to some degree the actions of the Americans.
The War in the South was an ugly, ugly thing, FAR worse than what went on in the North.
IIRC, the movie takes place in 1776-1777, which is several years too early for the war in the South. The British didn't start focusing on the South actively until 1779 or there abouts.
Col. Tavington (I think that's his name) is fairly closely based on the (supposed) actions of Banaester Tarleton, who is said to have committed atrocities against American troops who were trying to surrender. There is no evidence that he ever committed atrocities against American civilians. Likewise, there are a number of scenes in the movie (the church burning, for example) that are pure hogwash.
Post by: 280plus on January 23, 2008, 01:06:15 PM
Post by: Iain on January 23, 2008, 01:15:48 PM
I found that interesting, too. But Gibson was apparently born and raised in the U.S., by an American father and Irish mother. They moved to Australia when Mel was twelve. That's according to Wiki, at least.
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
I'll admit that I haven't seen the Patriot. Nor do I know anything much about the history of the period.
Occasionally Gibson and the English becomes a bit like the Family Guy quote - "come on, that's about as realistic as a white guys dialogue in a Spike Lee movie." He's reasonably entertaining, but he seems to have beat on the English in multiple historical guises.
Post by: Sergeant Bob on January 23, 2008, 01:20:24 PM
I found that interesting, too. But Gibson was apparently born and raised in the U.S., by an American father and Irish mother. They moved to Australia when Mel was twelve. That's according to Wiki, at least.
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
I'll admit that I haven't seen the Patriot. Nor do I know anything much about the history of the period.
Occasionally Gibson and the English becomes a bit like the Family Guy quote - "come on, that's about as realistic as a white guys dialogue in a Spike Lee movie." He's reasonably entertaining, but he seems to have beat on the English in multiple historical guises.
After living for that much time in Australia, he probably came to resent the poms.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on January 23, 2008, 05:07:22 PM
I found that interesting, too. But Gibson was apparently born and raised in the U.S., by an American father and Irish mother. They moved to Australia when Mel was twelve. That's according to Wiki, at least.
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
Did you find the portrayal of the British in that film to be a bit rough?
I'll admit that I haven't seen the Patriot. Nor do I know anything much about the history of the period.
Occasionally Gibson and the English becomes a bit like the Family Guy quote - "come on, that's about as realistic as a white guys dialogue in a Spike Lee movie." He's reasonably entertaining, but he seems to have beat on the English in multiple historical guises.
No more than the Sassanach deserve.