Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 08:29:36 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23462282#23457316
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 08:43:11 AM
is that the best you got?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23462282#23455693
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 08:52:41 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 04, 2008, 08:54:30 AM
How about Obama lying about his people talking to Canadian officials about not taking seriously his tough talk on NAFTA? There's some truly worrying lies.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 04, 2008, 09:05:44 AM
Democrats had been crossing party lines to vote in Repub primaries all season. Yet now that the shoe is on the other foot it's some sort of major scandal? Gimme a break.
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 09:09:23 AM
What you two have (unwittingly) done is to demonstrate the point- that Republicans have nothing going for them. Their entire worldview amounts to no more than being against everything. You name it and Republicans are against it; from Democrats to Ron Paul to CFLs to fuel efficient vehicles to MSNBC etc., et yada. HELL, Republicans are even against their own presidential nominee.
Freakin' hilarious.
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 09:11:31 AM
Hrrmph.
Democrats had been crossing party lines to vote in Repub primaries all season. Yet now that the shoe is on the other foot it's some sort of major scandal? Gimme a break.
Democrats had been crossing party lines to vote in Repub primaries all season. Yet now that the shoe is on the other foot it's some sort of major scandal? Gimme a break.
You just did the same thing. Are you condemning the practice, yet supporting it if Republicans do it? What's yer point?
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 09:12:15 AM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 04, 2008, 09:17:32 AM
A few weeks ago you were ranting and raving about how "undemocratic" and "unfair" closed primaries are. Now you're ranting and raving about how undemocratic open primaries are.
"Closed primaries are a Republican scandal! Open primaries are a Republican scandal!"
It's clear that you are only interested in grinding your anti-Republican Party ax.
Are you truly no smarter than this?
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 09:20:13 AM
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
Two prominent Republicans (not you two
, I'm referring to Limbaugh and Larson) publically promoting what most Americans would consider unethical, unfair, unAmerican, are endemic of what has become of the GOP. I'm frankly embarrassed that the party has been hijacked by the likes of Limbaugh, Larson, Bush and others. Embarrassed because I've been a Republican (and voted accordingly) since 1968, (no doubt longer than either of you), until I re-registered as having no party affiliation several months ago. Republicans used to have integrity; from Lincoln to Grant to Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Roosevelt (especially Roosevelt), on up to Eisenhower, Republicans for the most part have a long history of ethical values and practices. Sure there have been exceptions (Harrison, Taft, Harding, Coolidge) but their transgressions were minor compared to Nixon, Reagan and Bush.
Now, if you two think the public promotion of this kind of sleazy activity is in the Republicans best interests, well, you're cut from the same cloth, aren't you?
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 09:44:47 AM
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 09:47:11 AM
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 09:58:57 AM
Post by: MechAg94 on March 04, 2008, 10:41:14 AM
Since the Dems also do the caucus thing in Texas, the vote only matters a certain percentage.
Either way, Obamamania is fleeting and probably won't last.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 04, 2008, 10:48:15 AM
Hillary is so divisive that she wouldn't dare bring up gun control, most likely. It'd make all the Republicans rally and kill the Dems in Congress.
Obama, on the other hand, clueless n00b that he is, would go right on ahead with the socialist agenda, and probably start off with a press conference with Jesse Jackson, pushing for an AWB renewal, or cutting off federal funding if states don't comply with a national ban on concealed carry, whatever he thinks he can push.
Post by: The Rabbi on March 04, 2008, 11:12:29 AM
Must be something wrong with the new server. You're making even less sense than usual.
A few weeks ago you were ranting and raving about how "undemocratic" and "unfair" closed primaries are. Now you're ranting and raving about how undemocratic open primaries are.
"Closed primaries are a Republican scandal! Open primaries are a Republican scandal!"
It's clear that you are only interested in grinding your anti-Republican Party ax.
Are you truly no smarter than this?
A few weeks ago you were ranting and raving about how "undemocratic" and "unfair" closed primaries are. Now you're ranting and raving about how undemocratic open primaries are.
"Closed primaries are a Republican scandal! Open primaries are a Republican scandal!"
It's clear that you are only interested in grinding your anti-Republican Party ax.
Are you truly no smarter than this?
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." -Hegel
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 12:10:34 PM
Except here at APS where the winding continues ad nauseum, and the strike never occurs.
Post by: gunsmith on March 04, 2008, 12:34:44 PM
They are worse then wiki and worldnet combined...hahahaaaa
Post by: Bigjake on March 04, 2008, 01:12:01 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 04, 2008, 01:13:20 PM
Back in that other thread, you claimed it was unfair that the California Republican party didn't allow people like yourself, who are neither members of nor supporters of the Republican Party, to vote in their primary. Well, now some Republicans are doing exactly what you said everyone should have the right to do, vote in a Party primary without being a member of the Party, and you're criticizing them.
The point is you don't care about election rules or voter behaviors. You only care about bashing the Republican Party at every opportunity. This point is illustrative of your political views generally. You'll swing whichever way you want at any given moment, as long as you're on the side that gets to hate the Republicans.
Do you not see the hypocrisy in accusing Republicans of always being against things? Do you not see that you're the one who is consistently against something (namely the Republican Party and/or Prez Bush) and never actually for anything? Do you not see that you're the one who almost never has anything positive to say, and only ever criticizes others?
Your belief that the Republican Party isn't for anything is just plain stupid. They're for strong national defense, for capitalism, and for individual choice, to name just a few examples. Naturally, supporting some things means opposing their antitheses. Being for strong national defense implies being against things like withdrawing from Iraq, being for capitalism implies being against economic protectionism and socialism. So in that sense it is possible to selectively ignore everything the Republican Party stands for and criticize them for always being against alternatives to what they support. But that requires intellectual dishonesty; you must deliberately ignore half of the equation to arrive at your chosen result.
You, Riley, don't seem to support anything. Your positions drift in the wind. You're always against things, but apparently not because you support any alternative. You're just against things, specifically Republican things, simply for the sake of being against them.
Quote Shakespeare some more, dodge the issue. It's cute.
Post by: Finch on March 04, 2008, 01:54:43 PM
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They're for strong national defense, for capitalism, and for individual choice
And yet they do so much to sabotage those very things.
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 01:56:24 PM
I voted for Nixon-twice. I voted for Reagan-twice. I voted for Bush (Jr., not Sr.) -twice. I've actively worked for Republicans nationally and locally. I've paid my dues and my criticism is coming from a fully vested view in seeing the Republican party succeed. Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked by outsiders; parasites jumping aboard for the ride. The sellout started with Reagan and his capitulation to both the religious right and the corporations. Then he raised taxes on wage earners to the tune of trillions of $$ over the years, all but destroying the middle class of this country. Reagan presided over the expansion of the federal government (and debt) to historic levels. His administration was one of the most corrupt in modern history as evidenced by dozens of felony convictions.
I could go on and on about the foibles, felonies and frauds of the two Bushes, but frankly, I'm sick of the entire party and the scum who now direct it.
So, defend the corruption, the deceit and the ineptitude, HTG. The fact remains the GOP is headed into irrelevance for awhile.
Deal with it.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 02:14:35 PM
really? could you elaborate?
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 04, 2008, 02:46:05 PM
You can attack me until hell freezes over, HTG, and it won't strengthen the Republican party nor will it further the principles (you say) it stands for one iota. Not one jot.
I voted for Nixon-twice. I voted for Reagan-twice. I voted for Bush (Jr., not Sr.) -twice. I've actively worked for Republicans nationally and locally. I've paid my dues and my criticism is coming from a fully vested view in seeing the Republican party succeed. Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked by outsiders; parasites jumping aboard for the ride. The sellout started with Reagan and his capitulation to both the religious right and the corporations. Then he raised taxes on wage earners to the tune of trillions of $$ over the years, all but destroying the middle class of this country. Reagan presided over the expansion of the federal government (and debt) to historic levels. His administration was one of the most corrupt in modern history as evidenced by dozens of felony convictions.
I could go on and on about the foibles, felonies and frauds of the two Bushes, but frankly, I'm sick of the entire party and the scum who now direct it.
So, defend the corruption, the deceit and the ineptitude, HTG. The fact remains the GOP is headed into irrelevance for awhile.
Deal with it.
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the original post (or with reality, for that matter), but it does serve to illustrate my point further. The only overriding theme to your political beliefs is a raging hatred for the Republican Party. That's fine, you're free to hate whomever you like. But do realize, before trying to start political discussions, that your blind rage doesn't lend itself to rational discussions.I voted for Nixon-twice. I voted for Reagan-twice. I voted for Bush (Jr., not Sr.) -twice. I've actively worked for Republicans nationally and locally. I've paid my dues and my criticism is coming from a fully vested view in seeing the Republican party succeed. Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked by outsiders; parasites jumping aboard for the ride. The sellout started with Reagan and his capitulation to both the religious right and the corporations. Then he raised taxes on wage earners to the tune of trillions of $$ over the years, all but destroying the middle class of this country. Reagan presided over the expansion of the federal government (and debt) to historic levels. His administration was one of the most corrupt in modern history as evidenced by dozens of felony convictions.
I could go on and on about the foibles, felonies and frauds of the two Bushes, but frankly, I'm sick of the entire party and the scum who now direct it.
So, defend the corruption, the deceit and the ineptitude, HTG. The fact remains the GOP is headed into irrelevance for awhile.
Deal with it.
By the way, if this is what it means to support corruption, deceit, and ineptitude, then I'm happy to do it.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 04, 2008, 03:08:17 PM
Post by: grampster on March 04, 2008, 04:44:50 PM
This is so funny. Riley is Karl Rove. Heck I've known that for at least a year now. He has been having a ball playing with your minds all this time. Ha ha ha Post by: De Selby on March 04, 2008, 05:06:56 PM
Maybe everyone's just so dumb they can't see the greatness of the past 8 years. But definitely people who are satisfied with the republicans and with GW are a minority.
There's always the "history will remember us well" fantasy to keep that minority going, I guess.
Post by: Finch on March 04, 2008, 05:16:15 PM
There's always the "history will remember us well" fantasy to keep that minority going, I guess.
I think it will be overshadowed when McCain invades Iran.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 04, 2008, 05:17:57 PM
There's always the "history will remember us well" fantasy to keep that minority going, I guess.
I think it will be overshadowed when McCain invades Iran.
One can only hope.
Post by: De Selby on March 04, 2008, 05:19:25 PM
There's always the "history will remember us well" fantasy to keep that minority going, I guess.
I think it will be overshadowed when McCain invades Iran.
It's mindboggling to think that there are actually relatively well educated people who believe that to be a good idea.
There's proof of the power of ideology-enough education and propaganda can make almost any fact irrelevant.
Post by: The Rabbi on March 04, 2008, 05:25:50 PM
There's always the "history will remember us well" fantasy to keep that minority going, I guess.
I think it will be overshadowed when McCain invades Iran.
It's mindboggling to think that there are actually relatively well educated people who believe that to be a good idea.
There's proof of the power of ideology-enough education and propaganda can make almost any fact irrelevant.
Either that or it really is a good idea. I certainly don't think it's a bad idea. And as we move away from our victory in Iraq it will appear better and better all the time.
Post by: Finch on March 04, 2008, 05:45:18 PM
One can only hope.
Easy to say when you're not the one going.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 04, 2008, 05:54:15 PM
would i rather they not go? heck yes. do i think a fight once started should be finished? absolutely and i'm not a nice man while i recognize it takes boots on the ground to hold territory. i'd advocate a real shock and awe program pre invasion.i know all about collateral casualties and i'd rather they were someone elses
Post by: gunsmith on March 04, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
The bureaucracy in charge of war nowadays is to interested in punishing soldiers for killing the enemy.
Also, some of the most beautiful women on Gods earth live in Iran, airlift victorias secret catalogs and bras and stuff, make up, perfume and some mini skirts.
The army will be to busy to notice all the nightclubs and McDonalds being built because they will be to ...ahem...busy
Post by: Paddy on March 04, 2008, 08:37:35 PM
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The only overriding theme to your political beliefs is a raging hatred for the Republican Party. That's fine, you're free to hate whomever you like. But do realize, before trying to start political discussions, that your blind rage doesn't lend itself to rational discussions.
Exactly. I was a member of the Republican Party and voted Republican FOR 40 YEARS because I have a 'raging hatred for the Republican Party'. What have you been doing for the last 40 years?