Post by: Firethorn on March 10, 2008, 09:30:25 AM
The armies of hell are stated to be 9,999 legions of 6,666 demons each.
Now, I don't want to prejudice stuff, but we're making suggestions to the author as to military production. The attacks are rapidly ramping up, and the military is looking to expand and adapt for the new threat.
On of the points I think you guys can help on is selecting the caliber and gun type for mass production to replace and or update current weapons to deal with the new threat. Currently the author is leaning towards retrofitting M16s with large high power uppers, but still hasn't come out with what weapon will be issued for homeland defense. It needs to be manufacturable in large numbers, easy to use, maintain, etc...
One of the plot points is that most people have ended up in hell even if they were good, so at some point we're looking at invading hell(we can already open a small, short duration portal for extremely limited times). What would you go with there? Terrain is, at least in the location we've reached is nasty mud.
The problem? While demons are certainly killable with mundane weaponry, they make Cape Buffalo look weak.
Current levels of toughness:
A full magazine of 5.56 at close range is frequently insufficient to stop one quickly enough to prevent friendly casualties.
One raiding a mall was hit by:
6 rounds of .32 ACP COM (go granny!)
9 rounds of .45 ACP COM
At this point the Demon was STILL attacking, though bleeding.
Then two hunters show up:
8 rounds of 30-06 from a sporterized M1 - while slowed, was still advancing. The demon was finally finished off by 3 rounds from a .416 Wby - though the first one resulted in a soft stop.
Back on the military side:
.50 BMG has shown itself to be effective in both sniper and machine guns.
Claymores, antitank mines, artillery, RPGs, missiles, rockets, and bombs have been shown to be effective.
Post by: 280plus on March 10, 2008, 09:40:11 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 09:48:20 AM
Post by: grislyatoms on March 10, 2008, 09:48:46 AM
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2008, 09:56:19 AM
My ex wife.
She could make Satan weep with fear.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 10, 2008, 09:57:38 AM
If that doesn't excite you, look at AR-10's with some sort of .338-08 or .356-08 hybrid overbore case based on the .308 brass. That would make an okay infantryman's rifle for doing battle with hordes of demons roughly as stoppable as an elephant or cape buffalo. Make the issued sidearm a Thompson Contender in the same caliber. Back up your units with .338 Lapua and .50BMG snipers/designated marksmen and the usual cannon, mortars, bombs and explosive toys.
Post by: Firethorn on March 10, 2008, 10:10:38 AM
If that doesn't excite you, look at AR-10's with some sort of .338-08 or .356-08 hybrid overbore case based on the .308 brass. That would make an okay infantryman's rifle for doing battle with hordes of demons roughly as stoppable as an elephant or cape buffalo. Make the issued sidearm a Thompson Contender in the same caliber. Back up your units with .338 Lapua and .50BMG snipers/designated marksmen and the usual cannon, mortars, bombs and explosive toys.
Would you look at going away from the AR line?
Author is currently looking at .500 beowulf for existing military units and a number of members are agitating for a modified M1/M14 type weapon in .458 Win for homeland defense/invasion of hell.
Part of the argument is that shops that can't make AR parts can be more readily adapted to making the M14 parts, along with turning furniture factories towards producing the stocks.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
Author is currently looking at .500 beowulf for existing military units and a number of members are agitating for a modified M1/M14 type weapon in .458 Win for homeland defense/invasion of hell.
"Sergeant, tell all the men to go to hell!"
Post by: Werewolf on March 10, 2008, 10:17:15 AM
Of Course you'd need special shock absorbing armor for the shooter's shoulder or you'd run out of shooters pretty quick.
On the other hand an army of 66 million demons would be pretty tough. Personally I'd just sic the God Squadders of all the various religions far and wide on 'em and let 'em preach the demons to death. Failing that the demons would undoubtedly retreat back to hell on their on accord just to get away from the drivel. If that just pisses them off and they render the preachin' fools into goo - well - we still win.
Or you could just gather up a million or so virgins (assuming you could find a million virgins) pack 'em all into as small an area as possible and let the demons know they were there. When the demons show up just nuke 'em with one of those 500 MegaTon H-Bombs the Russians made.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2008, 10:21:13 AM
458 SOCOM if you want something in AR.
Crew served weapons as much as possible.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 10:22:22 AM
Or you could just gather up a million or so virgins (assuming you could find a million virgins) pack 'em all into as small an area as possible and let the demons know they were there. When the demons show up just nuke 'em with one of those 500 MegaTon H-Bombs the Russians made.
No, then you'd get thetans running around contaminating people. Xenu tried that!
Post by: Paddy on March 10, 2008, 10:25:44 AM
Would that do it?
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 10:27:23 AM
I have a super mag 870. It's tolerable with the Knoxx copstock, otherwise it hurts.
Post by: cordex on March 10, 2008, 10:32:01 AM
My second thought is that if I'm fighting against 66.6 million demons and I can open a gate to hell (where most of them presumably still are) for short time, I'm going to be shipping through as many of the most powerful nukes as I can get together. I don't care if most of the good, dead folks have ended up in hell already - they're already dead, and maybe if we send them back to the beginning of the line they'll have a shot at ending up in the right place. Nukes away!
Plus, if you were to invade hell given the assumptions we're making (nasty mud terrain, sporadic/unreliable communication and resupply, the aforementioned 66.6 million demon soldiers who live there) it would seem to be doomed from the start. Logistically, how are you going to keep those soldiers resupplied once they leave the mouth of the portal? Where are they going to get food, water, ammunition, fuel, batteries, spare parts, and all the other logistical necessities required to keep a group of men fighting? Bad ju-ju. Again with the nukes.
Post by: JDTHEWOLF on March 10, 2008, 10:40:54 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2008, 10:41:02 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 10:48:28 AM
What really matters is that weapons, reloads, first aid kits, and other supplies magically appear and reappear in handy spots.
Floating about a foot off the ground, rotating.
Post by: HankB on March 10, 2008, 10:59:06 AM
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8 rounds of 30-06 from a sporterized M1 - while slowed, was still advancing. The demon was finally finished off by 3 rounds from a .416 Wby - though the first one resulted in a soft stop.
If 8 rounds from the '06 weren't enough to stop El Diablo Junior, but the .416 Wby did the trick, it sounds like it was entirely a matter of shot placement. Sounds like someone was inspired by reading about the Posleen conflict . . .
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2008, 11:01:50 AM
No gun.
My ex wife.
She could make Satan weep with fear.
My ex wife.
She could make Satan weep with fear.
I can't belive any of the rest of you even tried to keep this one going after that.....
Thread winner for sure!
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2008, 11:14:33 AM
No gun.
My ex wife.
She could make Satan weep with fear.
My ex wife.
She could make Satan weep with fear.
I can't belive any of the rest of you even tried to keep this one going after that.....
Thread winner for sure!
Winner of the oldest, most over-played joke contest maybe.
Post by: AJ Dual on March 10, 2008, 12:12:32 PM
Sounds like someone was inspired by reading about the Posleen conflict . . .
That was my first thought at reading this as well.
So other than Biblicaly nasty supernaturalness, the demons fight with old school bronze-age tech, mass attacks ordered by a master who cares nothing for his troops, and tactics designed to counter flaming sword wielding angels, and you need a "Volksweapon"?
Think the AA12, simplified as much as possible without sacrificing reliability for mass production, made open-bolt to avoid cook-off/melting so it can use all-plastic shotgun hulls like the now defunct ACTIV brand, using cheap pig-iron slugs to free up as much lead, copper, and brass for more important strategic use as possible. Frag-12 HE 12ga slugs are available as production allows.
If it's got crappy ergonomics and is too heavy? Too bad. It's millions of friggin demons, and everything we hold dear at stake. Deal. Noisy end towards the enemy. No go with God.
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=892
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 12:16:56 PM
Sounds like someone was inspired by reading about the Posleen conflict . . .
That was my first thought at reading this as well.
So other than Biblicaly nasty supernaturalness, the demons fight with old school bronze-age tech, mass attacks ordered by a master who cares nothing for his troops, and tactics designed to counter flaming sword wielding angels, and you need a "Volksweapon"?
Think the AA12, simplified as much as possible without sacrificing reliability for mass production, made open-bolt to avoid cook-off/melting so it can use all-plastic shotgun hulls like the now defunct ACTIV brand, using cheap pig-iron slugs to free up as much lead, copper, and brass for more important strategic use as possible. Frag-12 HE 12ga slugs are available as production allows.
If it's got crappy ergonomics and is too heavy? Too bad. It's millions of friggin demons, and everything we hold dear at stake. Deal. Noisy end towards the enemy. No go with God.
http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=892
AA-12? Hell with that. SAIGA-12!
It's a freaking Kalashnikov that fires 12-gauge, semi or full auto. It's sheet metal. It will work after being in the mud. It's CHEAP.
Post by: Boomhauer on March 10, 2008, 01:07:54 PM
I've been reading Unintended Consequences today...
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AA-12? Hell with that. SAIGA-12!
Tromix Saiga...
I'm thinking one of the Gatling guns, M2HBs, M240s, stuff like that...
Post by: Firethorn on March 10, 2008, 04:27:12 PM
My first thought is that I'd want to limit infantry engagements with hellspawn as much as possible. Seems that armored units, artillery and aircraft ought to handle the majority of contact wherever possible. I'm curious how a slug-loaded 12 gauge would perform against these mythical demons.
They're working on that, however, what are you going to do if/when they manage to open a major portal somewhere like NYC, or even the increasing likelyhood of individual attacks in places like malls.
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My second thought is that if I'm fighting against 66.6 million demons and I can open a gate to hell (where most of them presumably still are) for short time, I'm going to be shipping through as many of the most powerful nukes as I can get together. I don't care if most of the good, dead folks have ended up in hell already - they're already dead, and maybe if we send them back to the beginning of the line they'll have a shot at ending up in the right place. Nukes away!
The portal has only been successfully opened once so far, and into the closest equivalent of indignant friendly forces available(some escaped dead souls).
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Plus, if you were to invade hell given the assumptions we're making (nasty mud terrain, sporadic/unreliable communication and resupply, the aforementioned 66.6 million demon soldiers who live there) it would seem to be doomed from the start. Logistically, how are you going to keep those soldiers resupplied once they leave the mouth of the portal? Where are they going to get food, water, ammunition, fuel, batteries, spare parts, and all the other logistical necessities required to keep a group of men fighting? Bad ju-ju. Again with the nukes.
Hell's teaming with friendlies held in the equivalent of the biggest, nastiest POW camp ever. With even the forces being diverted right now, we'll likely be able to start freeing souls because the guards are the equivalent of reserves - who are now being called up, leaving gaps in coverage.
Update - it was stated that the 30.06 would have killed it, it was just on it's 'last gasp'.
The demons are generally quite fast on foot, wouldn't we want the extra range rifles give over shotguns? Would 000 buck even penetrate enough at anything longer than 'point blank' ?
But I'll pass on the proposal.
Post by: Tuco on March 10, 2008, 05:22:38 PM
10 gauge became functionally obsolete the moment 12 gauge 3" magnum and 3.5" super magnum came out. The super mag develops more pressure than the 10 gauge does.
Nonsense!
Applying that same (il) logic, the 3"- 410 is ballistically superior to the 28 gauge.
High pressures in shotgun loads deform shot, punish the shooter and degrade patterns.
The 3.5" 12 gauge became functionally obsolete the moment Bismuth and Tungsten shot came out.
NOW, I admit were talking about the un-dead here, so things might be different at the target.
As an experienced shotgunner, I'd rather shoot a 10 gauge over any "Magnum" gauge at anything alive or dead, but to each his own.
Post by: Paddy on March 10, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
Post by: RevDisk on March 10, 2008, 05:49:34 PM
Simple. Issue a Barrett to every person physically capable of carrying one. A SAW or 240 to anyone slightly less physically capable. M16 with M203 to everyone else. Make it manditory to keep said weapon within 10 ft at all given times.
Exotic weaponry is nice and all, but standardized weaponry often works better. That way you can loot ammo off the dead folks and make the supply people happier.
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 10, 2008, 06:12:20 PM
Post by: seeker_two on March 10, 2008, 06:24:25 PM
Target the biggest gateway and launch.....
Post by: K Frame on March 10, 2008, 07:55:39 PM
Being a jealous prat because you didn't think of the ultimate weapon isn't very becoming...
Post by: Matthew Carberry on March 10, 2008, 08:05:01 PM
Portals, demonic looking, "attack of the redneck brigade"
Admittedly I'm not out there writing a novel, but the concept sounds a little derivative.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 11, 2008, 12:54:45 AM
10 gauge became functionally obsolete the moment 12 gauge 3" magnum and 3.5" super magnum came out. The super mag develops more pressure than the 10 gauge does.
Nonsense!
Applying that same (il) logic, the 3"- 410 is ballistically superior to the 28 gauge.
High pressures in shotgun loads deform shot, punish the shooter and degrade patterns.
The 3.5" 12 gauge became functionally obsolete the moment Bismuth and Tungsten shot came out.
NOW, I admit were talking about the un-dead here, so things might be different at the target.
As an experienced shotgunner, I'd rather shoot a 10 gauge over any "Magnum" gauge at anything alive or dead, but to each his own.
Not just my opinion...
http://www.chuckhawks.com/10_gauge_obsolete.htm
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 11, 2008, 02:06:02 AM
"Winner of the oldest, most over-played joke contest maybe."
Being a jealous prat because you didn't think of the ultimate weapon isn't very becoming...
Being a jealous prat because you didn't think of the ultimate weapon isn't very becoming...
At least I wasn't fool enough to marry it.
Post by: pistolchamp on March 11, 2008, 02:33:53 AM
I have to agree that opening any portal, even for a moment and chucking in a nuke is a great idea, even though the thought of unlimited moving targets get my attention focused on having fun.
The M-16 platform has proven itself... a bit more caliber should do it, AA-12 would be a fun toy, any 50 BMG will be fun and since its the devil himself we should be set to loose, so blast away and have fun while it lasts.
Post by: geronimotwo on March 11, 2008, 02:44:41 AM
aa-12 fully auto shotgun with limited recoil, AND the neat little exploding rounds they show in this video.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 11, 2008, 03:46:04 AM
The M-16 platform has proven itself...
Unless it's raining, or really dusty, or you drop it in the mud, or ding up the the mag and don't have any more, or only have access to cheap assorted ammo of unknown national origin...
The M-16 is okay if you have a unit armorer and backup weapons and lots of parts. But in a "desperate fight", if I had to have 5.56x45, I'd rather have it in a Bulgarian SLR, Saiga or other Kalashnikov-action rifle. I know that will fire, short-stroking from poor-grade ammo is not an issue, and the mags are nearly indestructible. Plus, the AK armorer's kit can pretty much be just a hammer.
Post by: cordex on March 11, 2008, 07:16:11 AM
They're working on that, however, what are you going to do if/when they manage to open a major portal somewhere like NYC, or even the increasing likelyhood of individual attacks in places like malls.
Fair enough. Again I'd go for the 12 gauge slug gun idea for this.The portal has only been successfully opened once so far, and into the closest equivalent of indignant friendly forces available(some escaped dead souls).
Well, keep some nukes wherever you're doing portal research. If you succeed again, do a quick peek and if you're anywhere near the baddies, send 'em through. If you're near the escaped souls ... maybe you send it through anyway. Those folks are dead already and I'd be a little concerned about the billions and billions of dead hell has stored up coming back to us.Hell's teaming with friendlies held in the equivalent of the biggest, nastiest POW camp ever. With even the forces being diverted right now, we'll likely be able to start freeing souls because the guards are the equivalent of reserves - who are now being called up, leaving gaps in coverage.
Hrm. So what's the goal? We free these souls and then let the dead souls take over hell? Or are we going to bring them back to our world? What happens to a soul that dies in hell? Do they get to go back around and try again? Do they die forever? What about demons? Do demons respawn in hell when they're killed?The demons are generally quite fast on foot, wouldn't we want the extra range rifles give over shotguns? Would 000 buck even penetrate enough at anything longer than 'point blank' ?
If you're targeting small groups or individual soldiers, most folks aren't going to be able to hit fast-movers at ranges beyond point-blank anyhow, but I agree with the problems with buck, hence my suggestion to use slugs. I like the idea to use cast iron slugs. Probably not as much force as lead, but cheaper to manufacture and will do enough damage to be worthwhile, I'd think.You've got tons of benefits. There are tens of millions of 12 gauge shotguns available right now in the US, so lots of folks could use the weapons they already have. It should be effective enough (unless demons are armored) and is relatively cheap to manufacture the guns and ammo (compared to, say, .50BMG or dangerous game calibers). Plus, considering the amount of shooting you're planning on doing in urban areas, it might be a good idea to go with the limited range of the slugs.
Of course, there are downsides (recoil, amount of ammunition one person can carry, size, etc) but I think given the problems at hand and the requirements they're a good compromise. The concern is getting something out there ASAP, correct? No reason you can't augment the slug guns with other toys as they become available.
Oh yeah, and I think RPGs would be a good investment too.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on March 11, 2008, 11:25:55 AM
To top it all off, you can pre-rust them in holy water. Even if they don't divinely slay with righteous authority, they can give tetanus infections to any surviving demons.
Doesn't Iron have some sort of mythical power over demons? Or am I confusing my mythology with Robert Jordan's snake-creatures from the Wheel of Time?
And anyone who thinks an M14 is easier to build than an AR needs a serious wake-up call. And frankly, both platforms are exponentially more skill intensive to assemble than an AK.
Post by: The Viking on March 11, 2008, 11:32:51 AM
Iron 12-gauge slugs are a really good idea.
To top it all off, you can pre-rust them in holy water. Even if they don't divinely slay with righteous authority, they can give tetanus infections to any surviving demons.
Doesn't Iron have some sort of mythical power over demons? Or am I confusing my mythology with Robert Jordan's snake-creatures from the Wheel of Time?
And anyone who thinks an M14 is easier to build than an AR needs a serious wake-up call. And frankly, both platforms are exponentially more skill intensive to assemble than an AK.
Iron is supposed to ward off some kinds of evil atleast, such as fairies, trolls and witches. I suppose demons would be affected by this as well. If not, well, they still have to deal with the little fact of iron lumps smashing into their skulls.
To top it all off, you can pre-rust them in holy water. Even if they don't divinely slay with righteous authority, they can give tetanus infections to any surviving demons.
Doesn't Iron have some sort of mythical power over demons? Or am I confusing my mythology with Robert Jordan's snake-creatures from the Wheel of Time?
And anyone who thinks an M14 is easier to build than an AR needs a serious wake-up call. And frankly, both platforms are exponentially more skill intensive to assemble than an AK.
Post by: RevDisk on March 11, 2008, 04:02:14 PM
Iron is supposed to ward off some kinds of evil atleast, such as fairies, trolls and witches. I suppose demons would be affected by this as well. If not, well, they still have to deal with the little fact of iron lumps smashing into their skulls.
Don't work for squat. My last ex was a witch and had no problems with iron shackles.
What?
Post by: HankB on March 11, 2008, 04:27:16 PM
This thread hasn't addressed "What gun for zombie demons" yet . . .
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 11, 2008, 04:58:07 PM
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This thread hasn't addressed "What gun for zombie demons" yet
Because that's a stupid question, HankB. No gun alive can pwn a zombie demon!! We'd be scrued!!
Post by: Regolith on March 11, 2008, 05:32:47 PM
Either that or a firetruck full of holy water.
Post by: Modifiedbrowning on March 11, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
Post by: K Frame on March 13, 2008, 10:46:58 AM
"Winner of the oldest, most over-played joke contest maybe."
Being a jealous prat because you didn't think of the ultimate weapon isn't very becoming...
Being a jealous prat because you didn't think of the ultimate weapon isn't very becoming...
At least I wasn't fool enough to marry it.
Just wait. Your day is coming.
Post by: JimMarch on March 13, 2008, 12:22:06 PM
Post by: seeker_two on March 13, 2008, 04:40:54 PM
RPG7
Long time, no hear.......I was afraid the Diebold syndicate had run you to ground....
Post by: Mabs2 on March 13, 2008, 07:50:50 PM
Double barrel shotgun always seemed to fare the best...sometimes a rocket launcher for the minotaurs.
Post by: LAK on March 13, 2008, 11:46:02 PM
I might suggest a modified Ruger Mini-thirty (.243); with the accuracy bugs addressed (yes; they can be very accurate when certain known points are addressed). I would toss the box mags though in favor of the original Garand type enbloc clips. The advantages are that ammo can be mass produced and loaded in the clips at the factory and logistically supplied so to the field "ready to go". No cases of ammo to break and issue, then load into box mags. In use fast reloading is a cinch - and in periods of prolonged shooting one does not have to reload box magazines, itself a rather fiddly activity to be performing under terrible stress. And with no protuding mags to interfere with shooting over obstacles, prone or hang up on anything else when fighting, advancing or fleeing in the urban, trashed or natural environments.
Well, no treaties or rules of war here, so some more specialized pieces could combine "fire" and an intermediate small arm capability. Any big bore piece would do; let's say a 12 gauge shotgun shooting a roundnose hollow slug made of steel; thick enough as to not deform and deflect off bone, gristle or whatever other tissue your physical demons possess - with a thermite core that ignites via propellent charge. Even a marginal hit ought to send the creatures into immediate pre-occupation with what is searing through their innards and incapable of thinking of anything else, so that the good guys can then finish them off or make their escape.
Post by: Iapetus on March 16, 2008, 11:54:57 AM
Forces of Hell invading Earth (or sometimes Phobos). Been in that situation many a time.
Double barrel shotgun always seemed to fare the best...sometimes a rocket launcher for the minotaurs.
Double barrel shotgun always seemed to fare the best...sometimes a rocket launcher for the minotaurs.
All you really need to know are the correct magic words...
IDDQD
IDKFA
But to be serious (at least as seriously as you can be in "what gun for demons" thread), I suppose we would really need to know a bit more about the demons' anatomy/physiology.
Why are they as tough as they are?
* Extremely tough / armoured skin?
* Big, strong bones?
* Redundant internal organs? (E.g. back-up heart etc)
* Rapid regeneration?
* No actual "realistic" anatomy? (I.e. so you basically have to shoot them to pieces rather than just hit them in the heart/CNS/etc)?
Also, what sort of forces do they have?
Is it just infantry, or infantry and cavalry? Or do they also have flying demons, artillery demons, tank demons, etc? (And if they have flyers, would they simply be "flying infantry" that can easily get to wherever you don't want them, or are capable of performing air-superiority or ground attack roles?)
Post by: Manedwolf on March 16, 2008, 12:15:04 PM
That'd be interesting.
Post by: Mabs2 on March 16, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
Forces of Hell invading Earth (or sometimes Phobos). Been in that situation many a time.
Double barrel shotgun always seemed to fare the best...sometimes a rocket launcher for the minotaurs.
Double barrel shotgun always seemed to fare the best...sometimes a rocket launcher for the minotaurs.
All you really need to know are the correct magic words...
IDDQD
IDKFA
Post by: Firethorn on March 16, 2008, 03:21:33 PM
But to be serious (at least as seriously as you can be in "what gun for demons" thread), I suppose we would really need to know a bit more about the demons' anatomy/physiology.
Why are they as tough as they are?
Why are they as tough as they are?
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* Extremely tough / armoured skin?
Yes. Many are also wearing metallic armor.
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* Big, strong bones?
Their bone structure is scaled up to support a 800 pound demon, yes, they're big and strong
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* Redundant internal organs? (E.g. back-up heart etc)
dissection isn't complete, but it's described as 'amazingly close to human'. Some extra organs present.
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* Rapid regeneration?
This is present. Not wolverine level, but 'replace a lost limb in ~ a week'.
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* No actual "realistic" anatomy? (I.e. so you basically have to shoot them to pieces rather than just hit them in the heart/CNS/etc)?
Don't have to shoot them to pieces, but they're just so big and tough that their equivalent to a adrenaline response means they can often remain active for several minutes after sustaining wounds that are ultimately fatal. They also appear immune to shock.
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Also, what sort of forces do they have?
Is it just infantry, or infantry and cavalry? Or do they also have flying demons, artillery demons, tank demons, etc? (And if they have flyers, would they simply be "flying infantry" that can easily get to wherever you don't want them, or are capable of performing air-superiority or ground attack roles?)
Is it just infantry, or infantry and cavalry? Or do they also have flying demons, artillery demons, tank demons, etc? (And if they have flyers, would they simply be "flying infantry" that can easily get to wherever you don't want them, or are capable of performing air-superiority or ground attack roles?)
There is infantry and calvary. The calvary are mounted on what's called 'rhinolobsters'. There are flyers as well, dubbed 'harpies'. Harpies are lighter and weaker than infantry, but able to breath fire, and are fast enough to catch apaches. Their blood, however, is poisonous even to them when they're cut.
BTW, those recommending holy water and such: They may be the demons that inspired the myths, but aren't the demons of the myths, if you know what I mean. They do break known physics in a number of ways, but they're not necessarily magical. Holy water has no effect, prayer has no effect, high velocity lead has effect, and we just found out that iron can act as a sort of poison.
Oh yeah, I remember the suggestions that we use shotguns for homeland defense - but I had a thought, aren't shotguns the #1 firearm in the USA and most of the rest of the world? Combined with that the 12 gauge is the majority of those?
Anybody have an estimate on how many 12 gauge shotguns are in the USA? Maybe we don't actually need to produce any, instead hiring a number of gunsmiths to vet(and perform minor modifications if necessary) that the gun is operational and safe for the iron sabot rounds are safe in it?
Sure, we won't have but the slightest amount of standardization, but realistically speaking, we shouldn't have to be doing any real maintenance on these guns during the initial part of the conflict.
Post by: RocketMan on March 16, 2008, 09:41:12 PM
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All you really need to know are the correct magic words...
IDDQD
IDKFA
IDDQD
IDKFA
I thought the magic words were, "Klaatu Barada Nikto".