Post by: Iain on March 17, 2008, 12:56:58 PM
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France has given full military honours to its last World War I veteran, Lazare Ponticelli, who died on Wednesday at the age of 110.
President Nicolas Sarkozy led a ceremony in Paris to commemorate him, and eight million other Frenchmen who fought in the conflict.
Mr Sarkozy said it was a national duty to keep their memory alive.
Mr Ponticelli, originally Italian, had lied about his age in order to join the French Foreign Legion in 1914, aged 16.
President Nicolas Sarkozy led a ceremony in Paris to commemorate him, and eight million other Frenchmen who fought in the conflict.
Mr Sarkozy said it was a national duty to keep their memory alive.
Mr Ponticelli, originally Italian, had lied about his age in order to join the French Foreign Legion in 1914, aged 16.
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There are only a handful of surviving WWI veterans from other countries, including British pilot Henry Allingham and Austro-Hungarian artillery man Franz Kunstler.
The French had two at the start of 2008, they've both now died. The last German died in January.
Post by: vaskidmark on March 17, 2008, 02:45:53 PM
It should be about remembering what they did, both individually, as a group/generation, and as a political situation. The first 2 deserve our respect, and the last probably will be the part that forever remains unremembered and as a lesson unlearned.
We will soon be saying the same things about WWII, Korea and Viet Nam, then after a short break the War on Terrorism, and then the ones that follows that.
In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army
IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
stay safe. Rest in Peace.
skidmark
Post by: 280plus on March 17, 2008, 05:54:29 PM
Also in the basement of his house he had a drafting table where he would cut pictures of flowers out of magazines and arrange them on the table. This was how he designed the various flower arrangements around the park. Very interesting fellow.
If anyone caught the Grace Fox / G Fox vs Hartford story I told somewhere around here it turns out he was also HER gardener/caretaker and lived in the caretaker's house behind her mansion. She predeceased him but in her will she allowed him to live there until he died. Which he did. David Kidd was his name. Purportedly related somehow to "Captain" Kidd.
But not Billy the Kid.
Post by: Antibubba on March 17, 2008, 07:42:22 PM
Post by: BobR on March 17, 2008, 08:02:06 PM
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Is it true that a white flag was draped over the coffin?
A poor attempt at humor that IMO was uncalled for.
But the answer is no.
bob
Post by: Antibubba on March 17, 2008, 08:06:02 PM
Post by: Paddy on March 17, 2008, 11:40:02 PM
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it true that a white flag was draped over the coffin?
THAT is really ignorant. Are you a product of public education?
Post by: seeker_two on March 18, 2008, 01:15:34 AM
Is it true that a white flag was draped over the coffin?
No.....in that war, the French were considered one of the world superpowers and one of the most advanced military powers. And some tough warriors worthy of respect....
Post by: LAK on March 18, 2008, 02:09:02 AM
The french fought as valiantly as any other nation involved in the conflict during WW1.
It is sad to see the last eyewitnesses leaving us from this one. WW2 vets are passing on in great numbers as well. When they are gone, all that will be left are the books, the audio and filmed interviews, and the memories of younger families left behind.
And as an aside, a bittersweet read concerning WW1 is; "The Christmas Truce; the Western Front, December 1914" - by Brown, Malcolm; Seaton, Shirley
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Post by: El Tejon on March 18, 2008, 02:35:21 AM
Amazing! I had no idea that any French vets were still alive. Simply amazing.
Post by: Iain on March 18, 2008, 03:17:29 AM
Yes, the French actually fought well in WWI (except for the mutiny which with their leadership who could blame them).
Amazing! I had no idea that any French vets were still alive. Simply amazing.
Amazing! I had no idea that any French vets were still alive. Simply amazing.
What is equally interesting is that the Germans apparently keep no records, there is no veterans organisation. So the German vet who died recently is believed to be the last but may not be, and his death almost completely passed the German public by.
Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2008, 03:37:06 AM
Post by: 280plus on March 18, 2008, 03:42:04 AM
Post by: Laurent du Var on March 18, 2008, 04:08:37 AM
Well then, Bob, I'll apologize. I'm sure the old guy could've kicked my ass.
Antibubba, I'm shocked, really.
Oh, wait - I'm really more shocked that the last soldier had to be
burried by this worthless little *expletive deleted*it Sarkozy.
So you're off the hook, Anti.
Best read over WW1 imo was and still is :
All Quiet on the Western Front
by Erich Maria Remarque (a German btw).
Post by: wmenorr67 on March 18, 2008, 04:27:06 AM
Post by: roo_ster on March 18, 2008, 05:49:04 AM
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Post by: K Frame on March 18, 2008, 06:21:00 AM
The French were bled white in WWI. It does take a certain amount of courage to daily charge into a meat grinder for years at a time.
Which is one of the main reasons why there were a series of mutinies in the French Army in 1917.
Post by: HankB on March 18, 2008, 06:33:08 AM