Post by: K Frame on March 26, 2008, 04:51:14 AM
"A recent article on turkey hunting, described the sport as "addictive" and "fun."
While we agree that spending time among wildlife and nature can be pleasurable, one does not have to include the violence of hunting for it to be a satisfying experience.
Indeed, the article also quoted turkey hunters saying that "I have called in birds and never squeezed the trigger.
The experience of calling them in was quite enough for me," and "the quest is what really counts."
For these hunters, it can be as beneficial to them as well as to the turkey if they took their next shots with a camera.
Hunting makes an unnecessary contribution to a world already plagued by too much violence and suffering.Wildlife and the outdoors can and should be experienced through activities such as camping, hiking and wildlife watching; ways to get close to nature without having to cause suffering and death.
Joe Miele
President
Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting
Maywood, N.J"
EVERYONE IN THE DRUM CIRCLE FOR SOME SWAYING... NOW!
Post by: Manedwolf on March 26, 2008, 05:00:15 AM
Hm.
So if I run across one of these people who has been bitten by a snake, I'm sure they'd ask me to not shoot the snake to take along on the medevac for a quick identification of the correct antivenom, because it'd be causing suffering and death?
Post by: xavier fremboe on March 26, 2008, 05:07:19 AM
Post by: charby on March 26, 2008, 05:19:47 AM
Pittman Robertson Act
Hunters (and non hunting gun owners) indirectly give a lot of money to protect the great outdoors.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 26, 2008, 05:21:24 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 26, 2008, 05:23:15 AM
three words to the moonbats..
Pittman Robertson Act
Hunters (and non hunting gun owners) indirectly give a lot of money to protect the great outdoors.
Pittman Robertson Act
Hunters (and non hunting gun owners) indirectly give a lot of money to protect the great outdoors.
Yes, they do. They also protect wild areas more directly with a lot of donation and effective activism. You can't hunt in a parking lot, or a zero-lotline sprawl development.
The greenies can't process that, though. Cognitive dissonance.
Post by: BridgeRunner on March 26, 2008, 05:28:31 AM
Post by: Tallpine on March 26, 2008, 05:29:50 AM
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on March 26, 2008, 07:07:51 AM
The acronym for the organization is CASH, by the way.
Post by: Nick1911 on March 26, 2008, 07:41:51 AM
That's always made me think.
Post by: HankB on March 26, 2008, 07:53:22 AM
(Did you know that vegetarian comes from an old Indian expression meaning "bad hunter?")
Post by: K Frame on March 26, 2008, 08:16:56 AM
WE'VE EVOLVED!
CAN'T YOU SEE WE'VE EVOLVED?
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 26, 2008, 08:18:57 AM
my dogs say dead ewwy things are good. i agree with them. they tend to be smarter then most humans.
Post by: French G. on March 26, 2008, 12:57:38 PM
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On the topic of hunting and meat eating in general, one time the topic came up when I was speaking with an older, very sharp professor of biology. She said; "Look at our teeth - it's obvious that humans were designed to eat both meat and plants, not just plants."
That's always made me think.
That's always made me think.
Yes, and our eyes are set binocular so we can bore in and range our prey, not on the sides of our head so we can see our attacker sneaking up.
Post by: geronimotwo on March 26, 2008, 01:21:45 PM
Post by: Firethorn on March 26, 2008, 01:31:32 PM
You go deer hunting with a primary intent of getting venison, it's not 'sport' hunting. You go looking for a 14+ point rack, it's for sport.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 26, 2008, 01:38:04 PM
When I hear 'sport' hunting, I tend to associate it with hunting for other than meat - IE trophies.
You go deer hunting with a primary intent of getting venison, it's not 'sport' hunting. You go looking for a 14+ point rack, it's for sport.
You go deer hunting with a primary intent of getting venison, it's not 'sport' hunting. You go looking for a 14+ point rack, it's for sport.
i doubt the anti hunting faction gets that distinction.
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on March 26, 2008, 02:06:34 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on March 26, 2008, 03:11:56 PM
What if the deer in my freezer had a 14-point rack, and I shot it vs. the 8-pointer next to him?
Post by: Dannyboy on March 26, 2008, 05:02:39 PM
Ok, Firethorn, I'll play along.
What if the deer in my freezer had a 14-point rack, and I shot it vs. the 8-pointer next to him?
What if the deer in my freezer had a 14-point rack, and I shot it vs. the 8-pointer next to him?
Then the rack is a bonus. You shot it for food and got the nice rack in the deal. He's talking about people that hunt for only the rack. I have to agree with him. If you aren't gonna eat it the you don't need to be shootin it.
Post by: seeker_two on March 27, 2008, 01:41:46 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 27, 2008, 02:01:34 AM
Post by: Firethorn on March 27, 2008, 02:29:20 AM
Then the rack is a bonus. You shot it for food and got the nice rack in the deal. He's talking about people that hunt for only the rack. I have to agree with him. If you aren't gonna eat it then you don't need to be shootin it.
Agreed. It's one of those tough to prove 'intent' things. All things being equal, a 14 pointer is going to have more meat on average, isn't it? Though personally, being a single guy, I'm perfectly happy with a doe. All indications are that they're better eating anyways.
Well, there are other causes to hunt that wouldn't be for 'sport' as well, so I guess 'trophy' would be a bigger indicator of 'sport' hunting. Of the top of my head:
1. Disease elimination, I think that it would be reasonable to have a number of hunters who are TASKED with eliminating CWD and it's variants by killing* them quickly and humanely. Heck, I'd count an obvious case of CWD as a reason to not tag, or show to a game warden to get the tag back(no you don't get the meat).
2. Safety of people - tracking down and killing an animal that's attacked a human, or engages in behavior that shows a good indication that it's likely.
3. Crop destruction
*After all, it's incurable,
Post by: Scout26 on March 27, 2008, 08:33:14 AM
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Congratulations, folks! You've earned your preaching to the choir badges!
Badges ?!?!?! We don't need no stickin' badges !!! We got the guns !!!!!
Post by: Boomhauer on March 27, 2008, 08:50:20 AM
There are way, way, too many deer down this part of the way. I love hunters, and the only problem I have with trophy hunters is that they hunt the trophies and don't contribute to eliminating the rest of the deers. So they are slacking.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on March 27, 2008, 09:07:05 AM
I'm all for wiping out deer, so that I don't have to worry about hitting one in my truck and messing it up. So get crackin' on killing them.
There are way, way, too many deer down this part of the way. I love hunters, and the only problem I have with trophy hunters is that they hunt the trophies and don't contribute to eliminating the rest of the deers. So they are slacking.
There are way, way, too many deer down this part of the way. I love hunters, and the only problem I have with trophy hunters is that they hunt the trophies and don't contribute to eliminating the rest of the deers. So they are slacking.
which is why my dogs continue to bring home dead ewwy things, rather then eating the dead ewwy things that we provide (which arn't quite as ewwy).
Post by: Matthew Carberry on March 27, 2008, 09:13:07 AM
There is a compromise in place to move the traps further from the traveled way, but I have little sympathy for people who "love their dogs" so much that they let them run loose in the wild.
Where they can get lost, get eaten or injured or harass wildlife.
I didn't catch the acronym though.
Post by: richyoung on March 27, 2008, 10:09:28 AM
When I hear 'sport' hunting, I tend to associate it with hunting for other than meat - IE trophies.
You go deer hunting with a primary intent of getting venison, it's not 'sport' hunting. You go looking for a 14+ point rack, it's for sport.
You go deer hunting with a primary intent of getting venison, it's not 'sport' hunting. You go looking for a 14+ point rack, it's for sport.
Both are legal, both are moral, and why you go, just as long as its legal, is nobodies bidness.
I don;t see varmint hunters making prairie dog jerky or anyhting...
Post by: S. Williamson on March 27, 2008, 10:36:27 AM
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If we weren't meant to eat animals, they wouldn't be made out of tasty tasty meat...
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There's a proper place for wild turkey, deer, and other animals that are hunted... and that's right next to the mashed potatoes on my plate.
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Did you know that vegetarian comes from an old Indian expression meaning "bad hunter?"
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Badges?!?!?! We don't need no stickin' badges!!!
Wow! Only up to four!
Post by: Bruce H on March 27, 2008, 04:52:01 PM
Post by: Lee on March 27, 2008, 06:18:31 PM
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I would be all for hunting the President of the Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting. Should be a fun exercise. Trouble is people just like him have passed laws against it. Guess I'll just have to stick to deer, turkeys, quail, and catfish.
My thought exactly. But it could be a challenge figuring out which under-employed guy typing on a laptop at Starbucks is him.
Post by: Firethorn on March 28, 2008, 06:18:53 AM
Both are legal, both are moral, and why you go, just as long as its legal, is nobodies bidness.
I don;t see varmint hunters making prairie dog jerky or anyhting...
I don;t see varmint hunters making prairie dog jerky or anyhting...
Did I say that I see anything immoral about it? It's just what I associate 'sport hunting' with. A sport hunter is the guy who goes out hunting Rhino, big cats and such in Africa. A sport hunter goes out in the woods and will let the 6 point buck go because his goal this year is at least 14 points. The hunter after meat will probably take the shot.
Either activity is perfectly moral. For game management during a low population problem I'd probably want to have the sport hunter stop before I stop the hunter looking for meat.
Heck, I'd definitely find it moral to allow hunters to 'put down' sick animals - If the deer is obviously victim of CWD, take it out and the game warden will give you your tag back. Heck, I might even support them paying a bounty. (No, you don't get the meat, doubt you'd want it either).
Post by: Tallpine on March 28, 2008, 04:13:03 PM