Post by: Leatherneck on May 22, 2008, 02:29:35 PM
The Gentle Congresslady spat back at him: "and I guarantee you that this Liberal will be all about socializing...errr" <silence> <thinking> <loses train of thought> "This Liberal ..."
"Anyway, at bottom line..."
Priceless. Scared herself shitless by utterance of the word "Socializing."
TC
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 22, 2008, 02:59:44 PM
Post by: El Tejon on May 23, 2008, 02:51:33 AM
Post by: Sergeant Bob on May 23, 2008, 03:57:09 AM
The Democrats want to nationalize all industries (Michael Harrington is a must read among them), but oil would be a convenient target especially with Obama in.
Yes it would. Of everything that is going on right now, gas prices are something just about everyone talks about. There are a lot of people (ignorant) who would just beg for the government to "do something" about those evil big oil companies.
Post by: Lennyjoe on May 23, 2008, 04:21:24 AM
Scary stuff for sure. Made me want to go reload more ammo.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 05:13:11 AM
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Post by: doc2rn on May 23, 2008, 05:13:48 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 05:14:50 AM
All we have to do is mandate all cars made be flex fueled or run on more than one type of fuel and costs will drop like a rock. When oil has to compete with homegrown E85 they will drop the price to try and push out the competition.
Okay, based on this and your posts on the Obama thread, are you here from DU or Daily Kos?
Seriously.
You're not going to find many people here who think More Government is a good idea. In fact, it's a pretty damned stupid idea.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 23, 2008, 05:15:41 AM
Post by: MechAg94 on May 23, 2008, 05:56:30 AM
All we have to do is mandate all cars made be flex fueled or run on more than one type of fuel and costs will drop like a rock. When oil has to compete with homegrown E85 they will drop the price to try and push out the competition.
Alternative fuels are not available enough nor cheap enough to make any difference whatsoever in the short run. Ethanol is only there due to govt subsidies and mandates. A mandate like that will do nothing but cost a lot of people money who can't afford it.
Post by: mtnbkr on May 23, 2008, 06:19:06 AM
Chris
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 06:23:56 AM
How about mandating all NEW cars be fuel agnostic? Makes sense anyway as fuel prices go up and possible shortages arise. Can't afford or find gasoline, burn diesel, biodiesel, Exx, etc. I'd certainly give strong consideration to such a vehicle.
Chris
Chris
How about not "mandating" anything and letting the market solve its own problems through comparative costs of fuels? If anything, remove the stupid red tape that keeps all the new turbodiesels out of the US market.
I'd rather not be mandated out of my 30-32mpg gasoline vehicle that I own outright, thanks.
Post by: mtnbkr on May 23, 2008, 06:34:03 AM
Oh, and your 30-32mpg vehicle is gonna be real useful if you can't get or afford gas, which was my point. I'd like to see some vehicles that can burn just about any currently available automotive fuel.
Chris
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 06:35:35 AM
Who said anything about the car you own today? I'm talking about new production. The feds are already mandating all sorts of crap with regards to cars, at least have them mandate something useful.
Chris
Chris
Again, though, there's a whole line of wonderfully efficient turbodiesels waiting to come in, from all the major makers. Honda's been selling a quiet, powerful Accord Diesel in Europe for years, but they can't sell it here. It gets 52mpg. No urea tank, either. Their Euro version has nicer lines than the slabsided US version, at that.
All the lawmakers need to do is get out of the way.
Post by: taurusowner on May 23, 2008, 06:36:42 AM
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
Post by: mtnbkr on May 23, 2008, 06:57:11 AM
Again, though, there's a whole line of wonderfully efficient turbodiesels waiting to come in, from all the major makers. Honda's been selling a quiet, powerful Accord Diesel in Europe for years, but they can't sell it here. It gets 52mpg. No urea tank, either. Their Euro version has nicer lines than the slabsided US version, at that.
Yes, those are nice and I'm well aware of them. I'm thinking a bit further ahead though, for times when fuel of any kind isn't quite so common or cheap. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a turbodiesel Honda TODAY, but I'm looking to the point in time where all fuel is expensive and you may not have the type selection. I *think* the military Humvee is almost that agnostic, which gives us a model to go by.
It's been said many a time, but still bears repeating...
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
Way to "add" to the conversation without really adding anything.
Chris
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on May 23, 2008, 07:16:31 AM
It's been said many a time, but still bears repeating...
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
Way to "add" to the conversation without really adding anything.
Chris
The problem is too much government. The solution is not to add even more government.
Post by: Werewolf on May 23, 2008, 10:50:44 AM
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Our government is already preventing us from buying the best engines and vehicles available today, and preventing our industry from utilizing the best sources of energy we have now.
I guess I've been living in a cave for awhile cuz I don't understand the deal with that HONDA.
Why would the US government keep that Honda out of the country if it's got an engine that gets 52 mpg? Seems like they'd want it here. Honda has a factory in the US (KY?) - why couldn't Honda just build the car here if there is some import restriction?
Is this something like the absurd sugar tariff thing that keeps us paying $'s a pound instead of cents a pound for sugar?
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 10:51:52 AM
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Our government is already preventing us from buying the best engines and vehicles available today, and preventing our industry from utilizing the best sources of energy we have now.
I guess I've been living in a cave for awhile cuz I don't understand the deal with that HONDA.
Why would the US government keep that Honda out of the country if it's got an engine that gets 52 mpg? Seems like they'd want it here. Honda has a factory in the US (KY?) - why couldn't Honda just build the car here if there is some import restriction?
Is this something like the absurd sugar tariff thing that keeps us paying $'s a pound instead of cents a pound for sugar?
Environmental and emissions paperwork red tape via legislators. It's a long, expensive process to certify a vehicle for sale in the US due to the legislative headaches.
Post by: MechAg94 on May 23, 2008, 11:30:20 AM
It's been said many a time, but still bears repeating...
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
If more government is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question.
Way to "add" to the conversation without really adding anything.
Chris
Post by: Regolith on May 23, 2008, 01:35:25 PM
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Our government is already preventing us from buying the best engines and vehicles available today, and preventing our industry from utilizing the best sources of energy we have now.
I guess I've been living in a cave for awhile cuz I don't understand the deal with that HONDA.
Why would the US government keep that Honda out of the country if it's got an engine that gets 52 mpg? Seems like they'd want it here. Honda has a factory in the US (KY?) - why couldn't Honda just build the car here if there is some import restriction?
Is this something like the absurd sugar tariff thing that keeps us paying $'s a pound instead of cents a pound for sugar?
From what I understand, Europe has a lower standard for certain types of particulate emissions than we do, and those diesel engines can't meet our regulations without significantly adding to the expense of the engine and decreasing performance and reliability.
Thanks a lot, Congress.
Post by: Ben on May 23, 2008, 01:56:51 PM
Post by: longeyes on May 24, 2008, 02:06:49 PM
Because that's the world we're going to end up with if people like here have their way.