Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 09:23:47 AM
Yeah, I know it's Rachel Ray, a Hollywierd who probably supports That Cause. That, or some wardrobe person put it on her, and she's clueless.
But I'd expect a major corporation to know better. I guess it's okay because none of their outlets have been blown up by suicide bombers yet, only other franchise chains like Sbarro.
Post by: charby on May 23, 2008, 09:39:28 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 09:46:57 AM
Looks like a ratty scarf thingy. Scarves on women go in and out of style. I don't think its a kaffiyeh.
Yeah, that's true. It could be just a scarf.
It certainly resembles one, so they ought to clarify or something. It wasn't me that thought so first, either, not like I saw a banner ad and jumped. Michelle Malkin mentioned it first, and I saw it on a whole line of Diggs and newsblogs. http://michellemalkin.com/2008/05/23/of-donuts-and-dumb-celebrities/
Still a poorly thought-out wardrobe choice in the resemblance, I think.
I just get touchy because I've seen actual definitive PLO kaffiyehs for sale in Urban Outfitters in Boston, and that just really bothered me. It's a symbolic thing worn by some cruel and ruthless people, not a fashion item.
Post by: mtnbkr on May 23, 2008, 09:47:15 AM
But I'm not convinced that's even the same style as a "kaffiyeh". It looks a bit different.
Chris
Post by: El Tejon on May 23, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
1. know what it is,
2. can point to the Middle East, let alone the Gaza or the West Bank, on a map?
1 or 2 maybe?
Post by: charby on May 23, 2008, 10:20:07 AM
Post by: PTK on May 23, 2008, 07:39:54 PM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 23, 2008, 07:57:58 PM
I wear a kaffiyeh now and then. What's the big deal?
Because with the black and white pattern, it's literally a symbol of Hamas, PLO, etc, and all the violence that they do.
You ought to know what the clothing you choose to wear stands for before wearing it. Same as the idiots who wear the Che shirts, but this is even more offensive, as it stands for people who are currently blowing up innocent civilians, women and children, and who celebrate when they do.
The aforementioned Urban Outfitters was also apparently just selling this shirt, so they definitely know what it is.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 23, 2008, 08:02:47 PM
Post by: De Selby on May 23, 2008, 08:54:07 PM
Coincidence? I don't think so....
Post by: Finch on May 23, 2008, 09:20:42 PM
Post by: Ryan in Maine on May 23, 2008, 10:24:21 PM
I'm not offended. Maybe I'm too lazy to protest a terrorist organization wearing a centuries old article of clothing worn by several centuries old cultures.
I wear one too. Mine is OD green in support of our troops. I think everyone should have one as part of their summer gear. They're really great.
That's not to say a lot of people wear them for the wrong reasons. They do. A lot of them aren't even aware that they might be offending someone. A lot of them wear one for that very purpose. A lot of them know someone might be offended but don't care because offending someone isn't their MO.
As to the picture of Rachel Ray, I don't think it's a kheffiyeh. Maybe a designer kheffiyeh. It looks obvious that it was partially influenced by kheffiyeh designs though.
Post by: PTK on May 23, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
I feel sorry if anyone gets offended by it, but there's this wonderful amendment that allows me to express myself freely.....
Post by: 280plus on May 24, 2008, 12:43:59 AM
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 24, 2008, 02:17:24 AM
I just get touchy because I've seen actual definitive PLO kaffiyehs for sale in Urban Outfitters in Boston, and that just really bothered me. It's a symbolic thing worn by some cruel and ruthless people, not a fashion item.
It's also worn by Beduins who are seriously pro-ISrael, Palestinians who have nothing to do with the PLO, and the British SAS.
Post by: K Frame on May 24, 2008, 02:41:57 AM
Post by: roo_ster on May 24, 2008, 02:48:56 AM
The mouth-breather sportin' them m ay or may not know the significance, but ignorance is no excuse.
Post by: K Frame on May 24, 2008, 02:53:07 AM
Oh that seals it!
The kaffiyeh IS TRULY evil!
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 24, 2008, 03:14:11 AM
That is, none at all.
Post by: Gewehr98 on May 28, 2008, 02:01:52 PM
They pulled the ad, based on Michelle Malkin's blog.
Nice.
Post by: BridgeRunner on May 28, 2008, 04:18:59 PM
Also, the woman who taught my nursery school class was in it when it was blown up. She was in her seventies at the time, on a vacation from teaching nursery school, which she was still doing. She wasn't very badly hurt, just lots of cuts and bruises and the memory of wading through knee high piles of broken glass and body parts.
Sorry, that second picture always brings up some memories, good and bad.
On the Kaffiyeh? Yeh. There's some definite symbolism. Glad they pulled it.
Post by: Dntsycnt on May 28, 2008, 04:25:50 PM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 28, 2008, 07:35:21 PM
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People are looking for things to be mad/offended about.
Couldn't have said better myself.
Post by: seeker_two on May 29, 2008, 01:40:15 AM
...besides, most Hollywood types don't dress themselves.....
Does Dunkin' Donuts still make donuts?....
Post by: Nitrogen on May 29, 2008, 01:58:03 AM
Post by: Scout26 on May 29, 2008, 04:04:29 AM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 29, 2008, 04:05:39 AM
Post by: cordex on May 29, 2008, 07:06:56 AM
* I don't think Rachel Ray was making a statement.
* Getting that particular ad pulled for those reasons makes the complainants look like whiny children.
* Comparing all kaffiyehs to a Nazi armband is preposterous.
Post by: MillCreek on May 29, 2008, 10:42:40 AM
I learn something every day.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on May 29, 2008, 11:13:49 AM
Don't watch the Food Network do you?
i thought she had a talk show on one of the bigger channels?
she is annoying though, in that overly hyper, chip chipper way. yuck!
Post by: PTK on June 10, 2008, 03:35:53 PM
I know, not white/black, but... are these also horrifying to some of you?
Post by: De Selby on June 10, 2008, 05:02:46 PM
* There have been and continue to be a small number of people who will wear a kaffiyeh with the explicit intent to support Palestinians in general, and a smaller subset who support the violent terrorism perpetrated by some Palestinian groups.
* I don't think Rachel Ray was making a statement.
* Getting that particular ad pulled for those reasons makes the complainants look like whiny children.
* Comparing all kaffiyehs to a Nazi armband is preposterous.
* I don't think Rachel Ray was making a statement.
* Getting that particular ad pulled for those reasons makes the complainants look like whiny children.
* Comparing all kaffiyehs to a Nazi armband is preposterous.
It's odd how bullet points can sometimes say so much more than a book.
Post by: xavier fremboe on June 10, 2008, 05:24:28 PM
Don't watch the Food Network do you?
i thought she had a talk show on one of the bigger channels?
she is annoying though, in that overly hyper, chip chipper way. yuck!
Post by: seeker_two on June 11, 2008, 06:46:56 AM
I just found the store I've been looking for and bought two more.... look at who makes/sells these, guys.
I know, not white/black, but... are these also horrifying to some of you?
I know, not white/black, but... are these also horrifying to some of you?
Absolutely!.......they charge twice as much as Cheaper than Dirt does for them....
Post by: mtnbkr on June 11, 2008, 06:53:05 AM
She and Sandra Lee seem to be the two most loathed Food Network hosts. They actually have anti-fan clubs.
Probably because they aren't "make everything from scratch with ingredients sourced from shops you'll only find in NYC or LA" types. They both cook more like regular people. I'm not a huge fan of Lee and I'm burned out on Ray (she was interesting 4 years ago when I first "discovered" her), neither warrant enough effort to organize an anti club.
Chris
Post by: xavier fremboe on June 11, 2008, 07:06:42 AM
She and Sandra Lee seem to be the two most loathed Food Network hosts. They actually have anti-fan clubs.
Probably because they aren't "make everything from scratch with ingredients sourced from shops you'll only find in NYC or LA" types. They both cook more like regular people. I'm not a huge fan of Lee and I'm burned out on Ray (she was interesting 4 years ago when I first "discovered" her), neither warrant enough effort to organize an anti club.
Chris
Giadia, though is a different story.
Post by: seeker_two on June 11, 2008, 07:47:26 AM
Giadia, though is a different story.
+1 with extra ricotta.....
Post by: anygunanywhere on June 11, 2008, 08:19:02 AM
She and Sandra Lee seem to be the two most loathed Food Network hosts. They actually have anti-fan clubs.
I would like to drink sample some of Sandra Lee's mixed drinks.
Rachel Ray makes me nauseous.
Anygunanywhere
Post by: Scout26 on June 11, 2008, 10:51:25 AM
2. IIRC, There was an article recently in the Chicago Tribune about the Jewish(?) or Palestinian cloth maker who made the kaffiyeh cloth being put out of business by the cheap imports form China.
3. If I'm looking for new recipes, I search the interswebz for Venison Helper.
4.
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I just found the store I've been looking for and bought two more.... look at who makes/sells these, guys
Where do you shop ?? Terrorists-R-Us ?? 
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 13, 2008, 05:46:25 AM
* There have been and continue to be a small number of people who will wear a kaffiyeh with the explicit intent to support Palestinians in general, and a smaller subset who support the violent terrorism perpetrated by some Palestinian groups.
* I don't think Rachel Ray was making a statement.
* Getting that particular ad pulled for those reasons makes the complainants look like whiny children.
* Comparing all kaffiyehs to a Nazi armband is preposterous.
* I don't think Rachel Ray was making a statement.
* Getting that particular ad pulled for those reasons makes the complainants look like whiny children.
* Comparing all kaffiyehs to a Nazi armband is preposterous.
*applause*