Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on May 30, 2008, 07:18:43 AM
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Isolated tribe spotted in Brazil
One of South America's few remaining uncontacted indigenous tribes has been spotted and photographed on the border between Brazil and Peru.
The Brazilian government says it took the images to prove the tribe exists and help protect its land.
The pictures, taken from an aeroplane, show red-painted tribe members brandishing bows and arrows.
More than half the world's 100 uncontacted tribes live in Brazil or Peru, Survival International says.
Stephen Corry, the director of the group - which supports tribal people around the world - said such tribes would "soon be made extinct" if their land was not protected.
'Monumental crime'
Survival International says that although this particular group is increasing in number, others in the area are at risk from illegal logging.
The photos were taken during several flights over one of the most remote parts of the Amazon rainforest in Brazil's Acre region.
They show tribe members outside thatched huts, surrounded by the dense jungle, pointing bows and arrows up at the camera.
"We did the overflight to show their houses, to show they are there, to show they exist," the group quoted Jose Carlos dos Reis Meirelles Junior, an official in the Brazilian government's Indian affairs department, as saying.
"This is very important because there are some who doubt their existence."
He described the threats to such tribes and their land as "a monumental crime against the natural world" and "further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the 'civilised' ones, treat the world".
Disease is also a risk, as members of tribal groups that have been contacted in the past have died of illnesses that they have no defence against, ranging from chicken pox to the common cold.
One of South America's few remaining uncontacted indigenous tribes has been spotted and photographed on the border between Brazil and Peru.
The Brazilian government says it took the images to prove the tribe exists and help protect its land.
The pictures, taken from an aeroplane, show red-painted tribe members brandishing bows and arrows.
More than half the world's 100 uncontacted tribes live in Brazil or Peru, Survival International says.
Stephen Corry, the director of the group - which supports tribal people around the world - said such tribes would "soon be made extinct" if their land was not protected.
'Monumental crime'
Survival International says that although this particular group is increasing in number, others in the area are at risk from illegal logging.
The photos were taken during several flights over one of the most remote parts of the Amazon rainforest in Brazil's Acre region.
They show tribe members outside thatched huts, surrounded by the dense jungle, pointing bows and arrows up at the camera.
"We did the overflight to show their houses, to show they are there, to show they exist," the group quoted Jose Carlos dos Reis Meirelles Junior, an official in the Brazilian government's Indian affairs department, as saying.
"This is very important because there are some who doubt their existence."
He described the threats to such tribes and their land as "a monumental crime against the natural world" and "further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the 'civilised' ones, treat the world".
Disease is also a risk, as members of tribal groups that have been contacted in the past have died of illnesses that they have no defence against, ranging from chicken pox to the common cold.
Post by: Balog on May 30, 2008, 07:28:13 AM
Post by: charby on May 30, 2008, 07:45:39 AM
Post by: Harold Tuttle on May 30, 2008, 08:10:47 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 30, 2008, 08:13:57 AM
Post by: Lennyjoe on May 30, 2008, 08:40:19 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 30, 2008, 08:47:14 AM
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
Post by: Lennyjoe on May 30, 2008, 09:16:51 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 30, 2008, 09:17:58 AM
But we must bring civilization to these naked savages!
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
Don't forget glass beads. Can't civilize people without having them buying glass beads first. THEN we can civilize them, and let them into such fantastic things as property taxes, census forms and democracy!
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
Post by: 280plus on May 30, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on May 30, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
Chris
Post by: Balog on May 30, 2008, 09:58:43 AM
But we must bring civilization to these naked savages!
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
And refrigeration, more than subsistance level agriculture, vaccinations etc etc. If you were really so enamored of a Dark Ages lifestyle you'd be living in the jungles eating grubs too.
Colonial powers treatment of native peoples has often been exploitive..... doesn't mean a stone age lifestyle is better.
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 30, 2008, 10:27:52 AM
Post by: Tallpine on May 30, 2008, 10:29:49 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 30, 2008, 10:32:04 AM
No, I believe the correct procedure is whiskey and then smallpox...
Smallpox blankets are outdated. The new version is poison FEMA trailers.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 30, 2008, 10:45:12 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 30, 2008, 10:50:50 AM
To be serious for a minute, how cool is it that these people having been living in this area for God knows how long, and despite all of our great technological advances, we just now discovered their very existence. I find it simply amazing to be reminded just how little we do know in this day and age when people think that we know it all. imagine what's left here to discover, much less out there beyond the Moon. Too cool.
Bottom of the ocean, too. Lots of biologists were stunned when they discovered chemosynthesis around the deep ocean vents.
I'm also astonished at some of the possible planets they're finding around other stars. One they found appears to be of a composition where there's clouds of metal vapor, and it rains molten iron. That would be incredible to see. They better name that one Hephaestos.
And now they think Alpha Centauri could quite possibly have an earthsized world in the same general orbit as earth...
Post by: 280plus on May 30, 2008, 10:50:56 AM
First they'll need a big iron pot to cook missionaries and explorers in. I vote fistful brings it to them. Along with whiskey and glass beads of course. It's going to be his fault anyways...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 30, 2008, 11:14:09 AM
New Guinea and Australia are both supposed to have unexplored areas where uncontacted tribes may still exist. Strange to think that here in 2008,,,
First they'll need a big iron pot to cook missionaries and explorers in. I vote fistful brings it to them. Along with whiskey and glass beads of course. It's going to be his fault anyways...
Though I think his wife might be a tad bit upset if he brings them syphilis, atleast if he does it the old school-way First they'll need a big iron pot to cook missionaries and explorers in. I vote fistful brings it to them. Along with whiskey and glass beads of course. It's going to be his fault anyways...
.Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 30, 2008, 11:15:49 AM
To be serious for a minute, how cool is it that these people having been living in this area for God knows how long, and despite all of our great technological advances, we just now discovered their very existence. I find it simply amazing to be reminded just how little we do know in this day and age when people think that we know it all. imagine what's left here to discover, much less out there beyond the Moon. Too cool.
Bottom of the ocean, too. Lots of biologists were stunned when they discovered chemosynthesis around the deep ocean vents.
I'm also astonished at some of the possible planets they're finding around other stars. One they found appears to be of a composition where there's clouds of metal vapor, and it rains molten iron. That would be incredible to see. They better name that one Hephaestos.
And now they think Alpha Centauri could quite possibly have an earthsized world in the same general orbit as earth...
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Post by: BridgeRunner on May 30, 2008, 11:19:30 AM
If it's habitable and not occupied by any higher forms of life, we (us on APS that is) should move in to colonize it ASAP. There we can set up a new place, and do it right this time .
.A world without pirates to hunt? I dunno...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 30, 2008, 11:51:42 AM
If it's habitable and not occupied by any higher forms of life, we (us on APS that is) should move in to colonize it ASAP. There we can set up a new place, and do it right this time .
.A world without pirates to hunt? I dunno...
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Post by: French G. on May 30, 2008, 11:54:38 AM
Post by: RaspberrySurprise on May 30, 2008, 12:35:52 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2008, 12:51:33 PM
Post by: 280plus on May 30, 2008, 01:52:16 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2008, 02:31:01 PM
I wonder if they're privy to that myth of white gods coming and similarly mistake the white men for gods.
That would be so cool.
Post by: K Frame on May 30, 2008, 02:42:44 PM
You left out the Syphilis.
Chris
Chris
A lot of people believe that syphilis was a new world disease, and didn't hit Europeans until they stopped by to civilize the savages.
Post by: K Frame on May 30, 2008, 02:43:41 PM
But we must bring civilization to these naked savages!
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
If we don't, they will continue to be naked savages and won't be able to benefit from the miracles of credit cards, cell phones, and reruns of Friends!
If they refuse to be civilized, we must slaughter them to save them.
And refrigeration, more than subsistance level agriculture, vaccinations etc etc. If you were really so enamored of a Dark Ages lifestyle you'd be living in the jungles eating grubs too.
Colonial powers treatment of native peoples has often been exploitive..... doesn't mean a stone age lifestyle is better.
Doesn't anyone get sarcastic humor anymore, or has syphilis rotted everyone's brains?
The weekend has barely started and it's already overflowing with 'tards...
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on May 30, 2008, 03:14:02 PM
I vote an airdrop of RPGs and AKs to keep civilization at bay. Might be a steep and slippery learning curve though.
Yeah, especially the RPGs. Mebbe they know where the Incan treasure is. Send 'em to Gitmo.
Post by: Gewehr98 on May 30, 2008, 03:22:45 PM
(For those who didn't get Charby's hint...)
Post by: Bigjake on May 30, 2008, 04:59:45 PM
Post by: RocketMan on May 30, 2008, 05:02:30 PM
Shame Tecumseh isn't here to tell us about Christian missionaries raping and pillaging like modern day vikings.
I kinda miss the little....wait a minute, no I don't.
Post by: mtnbkr on May 30, 2008, 05:09:03 PM
You left out the Syphilis.
Chris
Chris
A lot of people believe that syphilis was a new world disease, and didn't hit Europeans until they stopped by to civilize the savages.
Didn't say which way the "gift" was going.
Chris
Post by: LAK on May 30, 2008, 06:57:38 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 30, 2008, 07:10:58 PM
Shame Tecumseh isn't here to tell us about Christian missionaries raping and pillaging like modern day vikings.
I'll tell you all about it when we get back. My church was tasked to deploy over there, and we're leaving tomorrow. Not much pillaging to be done amongst such naked savages, but there's always the raping, right?
Oh, wait a tic. Just got word the UN beat us to it.
Post by: stevelyn on May 30, 2008, 07:20:43 PM
To be serious for a minute, how cool is it that these people having been living in this area for God knows how long, and despite all of our great technological advances, we just now discovered their very existence. I find it simply amazing to be reminded just how little we do know in this day and age when people think that we know it all. imagine what's left here to discover, much less out there beyond the Moon. Too cool.
The probability that Bigfoot, Yeti, Nessie, Champ, chupacabras, space aliens, et al, may exist and may one day be proven so has increased dramatically by this discovery.
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A lot of people believe that syphilis was a new world disease, and didn't hit Europeans until they stopped by to civilize the savages.
I always thought syphilis was an old world disease that come about as a result of Europeans and Middle Easterners poking fun at sheep.
Post by: Antibubba on May 30, 2008, 07:30:27 PM
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More than half the world's 100 uncontacted tribes live in Brazil or Peru,
Quite a few in Northern California too--no contact with the outside world since the days when Jimi Hendrix was still alive.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 30, 2008, 08:52:36 PM
Post by: 280plus on May 31, 2008, 02:29:04 AM
I'm thinking representatives from McDonalds, Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts should be arriving shortly.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on May 31, 2008, 03:58:41 AM
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE2D9113FF934A35754C0A963958260
Post by: Iain on May 31, 2008, 04:19:30 AM
The probability that Bigfoot, Yeti, Nessie, Champ, chupacabras, space aliens, et al, may exist and may one day be proven so has increased dramatically by this discovery.
There's quite a difference between undiscovered and uncontacted. They could probably have proved the existence of settlements using satellites.
Not contacting will likely be a deliberate policy for reasons discussed above.
Post by: seeker_two on May 31, 2008, 04:26:05 AM
Post by: Harold Tuttle on May 31, 2008, 05:43:21 AM
Post by: seeker_two on May 31, 2008, 07:50:47 AM
the main issue is the unwanted contact from strip miners and deforesters that are crossing the border into Brazil to pillage
They got radios too....
Post by: mfree on May 31, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
We sent a big metal demon to hover over them for a few minutes. That stuff just don't go away.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 31, 2008, 09:32:01 AM
They aren't uncontacted.
We sent a big metal demon to hover over them for a few minutes. That stuff just don't go away.
Does that mean it's now a free-for-all to sell glass beads and whiskey? We sent a big metal demon to hover over them for a few minutes. That stuff just don't go away.
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 31, 2008, 10:54:07 AM
Post by: seeker_two on May 31, 2008, 10:56:32 AM
Well the chopper already violated the prime directive, so unless someone has a neuralizer, I guess we should set up the bead booth.
Or one of those asteroid zapper/memory erasers from Star Trek.....
I AM KIROK!!!
Post by: Tallpine on May 31, 2008, 04:41:41 PM
Post by: K Frame on June 01, 2008, 06:11:42 AM
Some people do think it's an Old World disease, but many others say no. It's also interesting to note that prior to about 1525 there are no recorded accounts of any illnesses with symptoms resembling syphilis, but they become rather common after that time.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 01, 2008, 08:24:19 PM
I vote we name it "the Freehold of Grainne". Any takers?
Post by: xavier fremboe on June 01, 2008, 10:07:44 PM
>If it's habitable and not occupied by any higher forms of life, we (us on APS that is) should move in to colonize it ASAP. There we can set up a new place, and do it right this time<
I vote we name it "the Freehold of Grainne". Any takers?
As long as none of us starts going by "Mistah Kurtz", I don't see any problem taking the APS yacht upriver.
I vote we name it "the Freehold of Grainne". Any takers?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 02, 2008, 06:40:07 AM
>If it's habitable and not occupied by any higher forms of life, we (us on APS that is) should move in to colonize it ASAP. There we can set up a new place, and do it right this time<
I vote we name it "the Freehold of Grainne". Any takers?
I read that book as well. Awesome! Drugs and guns and free love for everyone! I vote we name it "the Freehold of Grainne". Any takers?
Post by: 280plus on June 02, 2008, 09:04:10 AM
I see what appears to be a palisade in the lower right corner. That would imply the presence of another tribe hostile to this one. Stone age living in 2008. Amazing...
Nope looks more like a tree now,,,whoops...
Post by: Manedwolf on June 02, 2008, 09:30:30 AM
Perspective.
Post by: Scout26 on June 02, 2008, 11:15:12 AM
Hm. Wonder if I can sell them some glass beads?
Put 'em on Craigslist or E-bay, all those uncontacted tribes have interwebz access.
Post by: 280plus on June 02, 2008, 12:05:36 PM