Post by: mek42 on June 12, 2008, 04:27:04 PM
Or am I just hopelessly naive?
Post by: taurusowner on June 12, 2008, 04:37:52 PM
Post by: nico on June 12, 2008, 05:05:08 PM
"How?" you ask?
Shut up!
That's right, through the power hope and change, the most progressive Senator in the last 40 years will make everyone equal, subsidize everything you want (not guns), lower taxes for everyone except those rich aholes with nice suits and big houses (politicians excluded), talk terrorists out of attacking us(until they do), reduce the national debt, stop Big Oil from making a profit, and reverse Global war. . . umm Climate Changetm, and you're all going to like it!! (or else)
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Post by: Standing Wolf on June 12, 2008, 06:01:03 PM
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Has the US political scene always been this polarized?
You, ah... may want to bone up on the Civil War in your spare time.
Post by: longeyes on June 12, 2008, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: MechAg94 on June 13, 2008, 12:28:37 PM
I agree with the post above that I think the raw anti-US sentiment and outright intolerance/derision for those that disagree politically is more new in the last 50 years. At least that is how I see it, but maybe those were there always, just kept under the surface.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on June 13, 2008, 12:34:42 PM
The freedom to more-or-less anonymously bash anything you don't like is pretty intoxicating.
Post by: K Frame on June 13, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
The stuff that's going on today is piddling BS compared to that snake pit.
Post by: mek42 on June 13, 2008, 03:50:56 PM
Post by: Dntsycnt on June 13, 2008, 05:07:44 PM
I think the interhoozit has a lot to do with the anti-US sentiment... just as it has a lot to do with the unification of the second amendment crowd.
The freedom to more-or-less anonymously bash anything you don't like is pretty intoxicating.
The freedom to more-or-less anonymously bash anything you don't like is pretty intoxicating.
I'm gonna have to disagree. The internet allows me to chat with a young lady displaced from her home in Lebanon. She despises our government, but knows plenty americans via the internet and knows we as individuals are usually pretty good people. I in turn know that independent women do exist in Lebanon, and feel pretty happy about themselves.
There's a lot of bashing, of course, but there's bashing for EVERYTHING, and a lot of it is more for fun than anything else. The internet is an enormous uniting force as well as a playground for the mature and immature alike. For every 12 year old calling someone a fag on youtube there is a Canadian meeting a Kiwi, a brit talking to a Japanese person, or an Israeli debating a bunch of Americans.
Post by: K Frame on June 13, 2008, 05:35:24 PM
A Magnificent Catastrophe: The Tumultuous Election of 1800, America's First Presidential Campaign by Edward J. Larson
Adams vs. Jefferson: The Tumultuous Election of 1800 (Pivotal Moments in American History) by John Ferling
There are also some good books on the Burr-Hamilton debacle, but it's been quite a few years since I read those.
Any decently stocked library should have a number of books on the subject.
Post by: Scout26 on June 13, 2008, 06:32:11 PM
You need to read up on the political scene of the early years of our Republic.
Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
The stuff that's going on today is piddling BS compared to that snake pit.
Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
The stuff that's going on today is piddling BS compared to that snake pit.
Yes, but then you could shoot the SOB after challenging him to a duel.
From WWII until Nixon became president things were relatively cool between the two parties. Once Nixon got elected the foaming at the mouth Nixon haters came out the woodwork and the wheels really came off the "Loyal Opposition
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Post by: taurusowner on June 13, 2008, 06:44:28 PM
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Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
But none of them actually hated America. Neither did most of the leaders and generals or even people during the Civil War.Now, we really do have a large group of Americans that truly hate America.
Post by: charby on June 13, 2008, 08:28:59 PM
You need to read up on the political scene of the early years of our Republic.
Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
The stuff that's going on today is piddling BS compared to that snake pit.
Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
The stuff that's going on today is piddling BS compared to that snake pit.
What Mike said.
Post by: longeyes on June 13, 2008, 08:50:05 PM
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The internet is an enormous uniting force as well as a playground for the mature and immature alike. For every 12 year old calling someone a fag on youtube there is a Canadian meeting a Kiwi, a brit talking to a Japanese person, or an Israeli debating a bunch of Americans.
Well, yes...and maybe not.
I think there's a tendency to believe that talking to people really creates a meeting of minds. More often than not it really doesn't. And how often do people really reveal what they truly think about matters of great moment?
I trust actions, not verbal exchanges, when it comes to what counts.
Post by: RocketMan on June 14, 2008, 09:26:36 AM
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Hamilton, Jefferson, Clinton, Adams, Burr...
But none of them actually hated America. Neither did most of the leaders and generals or even people during the Civil War.Now, we really do have a large group of Americans that truly hate America.
taurusowner hit the nail on the head. The level of outright hatred for this country among some of the left is astounding.
Post by: pinoyinus on June 14, 2008, 12:02:03 PM
Post by: Fly320s on June 14, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
Was there ever any sense of compromise? Of trying to find a middle ground that would make everyone half-smile and half-grimace all at once?
I don't know about you, but I don't want to compromise with the leftisits/socialists/statists.
Post by: longeyes on June 15, 2008, 06:00:41 AM
There really isn't too much to "compromise" without this game not being worth playing any more.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 15, 2008, 06:29:51 AM
There was a song in the late '60's early '70's ; "The one in the right was on the left, the one on the left was in the middle, theone in the middle was on the right..."
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on June 16, 2008, 06:42:48 PM
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Now, we really do have a large group of Americans that truly hate America.
Care to elaborate?
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 18, 2008, 04:51:20 AM
That is my response to the original poster.
Post by: MechAg94 on June 18, 2008, 10:55:06 AM
I think the main difference is that these days you have a lot of socialist/communists, many of whom have little or no education when it comes to history.
Post by: MicroBalrog on June 18, 2008, 10:55:46 AM
Post by: MechAg94 on June 18, 2008, 10:55:56 AM
I think the interhoozit has a lot to do with the anti-US sentiment... just as it has a lot to do with the unification of the second amendment crowd.
The freedom to more-or-less anonymously bash anything you don't like is pretty intoxicating.
The freedom to more-or-less anonymously bash anything you don't like is pretty intoxicating.
I'm gonna have to disagree. The internet allows me to chat with a young lady displaced from her home in Lebanon. She despises our government, but knows plenty americans via the internet and knows we as individuals are usually pretty good people. I in turn know that independent women do exist in Lebanon, and feel pretty happy about themselves.
There's a lot of bashing, of course, but there's bashing for EVERYTHING, and a lot of it is more for fun than anything else. The internet is an enormous uniting force as well as a playground for the mature and immature alike. For every 12 year old calling someone a fag on youtube there is a Canadian meeting a Kiwi, a brit talking to a Japanese person, or an Israeli debating a bunch of Americans.
Post by: MechAg94 on June 18, 2008, 11:10:00 AM
Senator.
Okay. 
That was also back when Senators were still appointed by the states.