Post by: Manedwolf on June 14, 2008, 05:46:20 PM
Good god, that's a muzzleflash. I think the ejected cases could kill someone, too.
Price: $949.99
Vector Arms built semi-auto version of the famous HK-51 machine gun. All internal parts of the V-51 are either original HK German, or made in the U.S.A. as required, to exact HK-51 specs. This version features a plastic Navy lower trigger housing, original German paddle mag release.
Specifications:
V-51 Specs: Caliber:.308 NATO
Operating Principle: delayed roller lock
Feed Device: 25 or 40 round mag
Rifling: 1:7 6 grooves right hand twist
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 14, 2008, 06:13:55 PM
Who needs to justify material lust?
Post by: Manedwolf on June 14, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
Like kids and large dogs: easily acquired, but then you must FEED them.
Who needs to justify material lust?
Who needs to justify material lust?
At least the mags are cheap?
Post by: Nick1911 on June 14, 2008, 06:31:21 PM
On a related note, my EDM based home rifling machine plans are nearing completion. Rifling has always been hard for DIY gun building, but I think this EDM machine is a step in the right direction - by eliminating cutting forces, it should be possible to machine very accurate barrels in a home shop - it would just be time consuming.
The HK-51 is pretty awesome. I'd also like to get an MP5 clone, semi-only.
Post by: Nick1911 on June 14, 2008, 06:34:24 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 14, 2008, 07:22:08 PM
Didn't appeal to me, but little in the HK world does, save for maybe the 416 uppers.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 14, 2008, 07:31:38 PM
Dunno about impractical. We've got a shop-wide order for the new HK GSG-5 rimfire MP5 clones, with at least four of my guys buying one.
Didn't appeal to me, but little in the HK world does, save for maybe the 416 uppers.
Didn't appeal to me, but little in the HK world does, save for maybe the 416 uppers.
I find the ergonomics of the HK-91 rifles and their clones to be atrocious, (especially compared to the armchair-comfy FAL!) but I do like the little MP5 platform okay. My left hand hurts almost immediately with the positioning on the rifles, but I'd tried an MP5K and was able to easily dance hanging bowling pins at 25 yards with bursts and sustained fire.
Then there was the grey plastic SL-8, which I looked at and thought..."Nerf?"
Post by: K Frame on June 14, 2008, 07:44:55 PM
Very VERY practical gun.
I think you should buy two.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 14, 2008, 07:45:48 PM
Muzzleflash is far less than what I would have thought.
Very VERY practical gun.
I think you should buy two.
Very VERY practical gun.
I think you should buy two.
Yeah, I'll just do akimbo, one in each hand...sure the RO would love that.
The volume level of the screamed CEASE FIRE!!!!! would probably approach the time when someone who brought in a full-auto was busily destroying the ceiling baffles instead of the target.
Post by: Finch on June 14, 2008, 09:46:13 PM
Oh, and it *is* impractical. You planning on making any major assaults in close-quarters combat situations?
......maybe......
Post by: seeker_two on June 15, 2008, 04:04:18 AM
The HK-51 is pretty awesome. I'd also like to get an MP5 clone, semi-only.
I'll second the MP-5 semi....a supressed version would make an ideal home-defense carbine for my wife and other recoil-sensitive types....
!!!!!REPEAL '34 AND '68 AND ALL THE REST!!!!!
Post by: Devonai on June 15, 2008, 04:25:33 AM
Post by: gunsmith on June 15, 2008, 06:49:57 AM
do more research first.
Post by: wmenorr67 on June 15, 2008, 07:01:28 AM
Post by: Stickjockey on June 15, 2008, 08:16:59 AM
Just out of curiosity, what're those GSG-5's going for, anyway?
Post by: RocketMan on June 15, 2008, 09:53:36 AM
Get the darn thing and enjoy!
Post by: Manedwolf on June 15, 2008, 10:11:15 AM
What does practicality have to do with material lust, anyway?
Get the darn thing and enjoy!
Get the darn thing and enjoy!
I'd noticed that Impact will sell them 90-day layaway. If they ever get stuff in stock. I just figure this sort of thing would be a NO if there's a (shudder) President Obama.
I also sort of like the idea of a "hits like a ton of bricks" defensive pistol for a disaster or civil disorder problem. If it works, and if it can be controlled. Overpenetration, though...blah. And blinding muzzleflash ruining night vision. Does seem more like a range toy, perhaps.
Post by: El Tejon on June 15, 2008, 10:16:49 AM
If Knob Creek ever comes up from under water, meander on down to the rental range and have at it. Report back, I'm expecting a change in your lust.
*Oh, that silly thing is only Title I. Here's the real deal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EzSL-WzleE&feature=related
Post by: Manedwolf on June 15, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
You'll love it until you have to shoot one.
If Knob Creek ever comes up from under water, meander on down to the rental range and have at it. Report back, I'm expecting a change in your lust.
If Knob Creek ever comes up from under water, meander on down to the rental range and have at it. Report back, I'm expecting a change in your lust.
Oh, I like recoil. In everything but the aforementioned HK-91's with the retracting stock, which is like being punched in the shoulder with a coathanger. It's like the designers were sadistic.
I regularly play with a Taurus Judge fired one-handed, and my 16" Saiga .308's muzzleblast is pretty dramatic, even.
And no, I would NOT want to try to control a full-auto .308 pistol, thanks! The MP5 I tried was easy to keep in line, but a Thompson (no Cutts) wanted to climb on me, it took me a few bursts to anticipate and keep it down. I can only imagine what a .308 would do.
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 15, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
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Oh, I like recoil. In everything but the aforementioned HK-91's with the retracting stock, which is like being punched in the shoulder with a coathanger. It's like the designers were sadistic.
Cool. I'll let you be the evaluator for my .45-70 AK/Saiga project when it wraps up.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 15, 2008, 10:39:17 AM
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Oh, I like recoil. In everything but the aforementioned HK-91's with the retracting stock, which is like being punched in the shoulder with a coathanger. It's like the designers were sadistic.
Cool. I'll let you be the evaluator for my .45-70 AK/Saiga project when it wraps up.
I want one, if someone can do it.
I'd been following Tromix's .444 Marlin/Saiga .410 project and the problem they had with lack of feeding after the first few rounds.
Post by: xavier fremboe on June 15, 2008, 11:11:58 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 15, 2008, 12:32:23 PM
Looks like fun, which is why I'll never have one here!
Post by: El Tejon on June 15, 2008, 12:59:54 PM
But, yeah, they took a clone of the G3 in semi-auto only and ripped the stock off and shortened the barrel. That way it fits the legal definition of a handgun and every Walter Mitty's definition of a cool gun.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 15, 2008, 01:06:01 PM
Viking, well the one Manewolf has in his post is fully automatic pistol.
But, yeah, they took a clone of the G3 in semi-auto only and ripped the stock off and shortened the barrel. That way it fits the legal definition of a handgun and every Walter Mitty's definition of a cool gun.
And it's a pain in the ass to get one here But, yeah, they took a clone of the G3 in semi-auto only and ripped the stock off and shortened the barrel. That way it fits the legal definition of a handgun and every Walter Mitty's definition of a cool gun.
. Can't let the commoners protect themselves effeciently . Would've made an awesome home defense gun for me, considering I have concrete walls in all directions (atleast I think so), and a free line of fire out my apartment door...Guess I'll have to get a couple of swords and machetes...
Post by: Manedwolf on June 15, 2008, 04:10:20 PM
Viking, well the one Manewolf has in his post is fully automatic pistol.
But, yeah, they took a clone of the G3 in semi-auto only and ripped the stock off and shortened the barrel. That way it fits the legal definition of a handgun and every Walter Mitty's definition of a cool gun.
But, yeah, they took a clone of the G3 in semi-auto only and ripped the stock off and shortened the barrel. That way it fits the legal definition of a handgun and every Walter Mitty's definition of a cool gun.
Actually, it's not fully automatic, it's semiauto for that $949 price. Vector said it has Da Switch because it's sear-ready, so if you later want to buy a registered full-auto sear, you can drop it in.
Post by: 86thecat on June 15, 2008, 07:04:26 PM
Post by: karlsgunbunker on June 16, 2008, 09:56:43 AM
His intention is to make a SBR, he has a stock for it and is submitting the paper work.
I told him to store the stock in a seperate location until he gets the stamp.
I wouldn't mind having one with a rifle stock but the pistol does not tempt me.
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 16, 2008, 12:36:19 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what're those GSG-5's going for, anyway?
Just this side of $550.
Post by: Lennyjoe on June 16, 2008, 01:27:00 PM