Post by: Manedwolf on July 10, 2008, 11:37:14 AM
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Sen. Barack Obama blasted his Republican rival today after one of Sen. John McCain's top economic advisors said the nation was in a "mental recession" and complained America is "a nation of whiners."
Although McCain attempted to distance himself from the comments of his economic advisor former Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Tex., Obama pounced, quipping that the nation already has one "Dr. Phil."
Although McCain attempted to distance himself from the comments of his economic advisor former Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Tex., Obama pounced, quipping that the nation already has one "Dr. Phil."
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5350099&page=1
Okay. That's it. Buy the guns you want now, because the socialism train is boarding. I think that did it.
MCCAIN, you IDIOT. How did you PICK these people?!
The next four years are going to suck so badly. I'm very depressed now.
Post by: Balog on July 10, 2008, 11:54:16 AM
Catchy slogan, I'm sure he'll do well.
Post by: HankB on July 10, 2008, 11:54:37 AM
Someone?
Anyone?
Please?
(Maybe he's following the Bob Dole campaign model because Viagra commercials pay more than the Presidency.)
Post by: cosine on July 10, 2008, 12:27:39 PM
I used to have some hope that McCain could win. That hope is fast disappearing...
Post by: Waitone on July 10, 2008, 12:38:14 PM
Post by: MechAg94 on July 10, 2008, 01:04:50 PM
....but yeah, probably not a good thing to say right now. I am sure the media would love to find something to talk about besides something Obama or JJ said.
Post by: Balog on July 10, 2008, 01:42:33 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 10, 2008, 01:54:13 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on July 10, 2008, 02:23:03 PM
PLEASE convince me that McCain is not deliberately trying to throw the election . . .
Someone?
Anyone?
Please?
(Maybe he's following the Bob Dole campaign model because Viagra commercials pay more than the Presidency.)
I am beginning to seriously consider that possibility. Someone?
Anyone?
Please?
(Maybe he's following the Bob Dole campaign model because Viagra commercials pay more than the Presidency.)
McCain is known to have a temper a mile long. He clearly held a grudge against Bush for stealing the nomination from him in 2000. Possibly he also has a grudge against the Republican Party for snubbing him.
McCain's actions since 2000 certainly support the idea he has it in for Bush and Republicans. Would he give up his chance at the Presidency just to satisfy a scorched-earth grudge? Seems hard to believe, but he's certainly acting like he would.
Post by: Standing Wolf on July 10, 2008, 02:52:15 PM
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Sen. Barack Obama blasted his Republican rival today after one of Sen. John McCain's top economic advisors said the nation was in a "mental recession" and complained America is "a nation of whiners."
We are a nation of whiners, and we are in a mental recession.
Post by: longeyes on July 10, 2008, 03:17:56 PM
But I agree with Standing Wolf that what Gramm said wasn't so off-base. That said, it won't turn this Election anyway.
If McCain wants to win he has to show the average American what life will be like under Obama. He can parody John Lennon's "Imagine." Imagine your life after eight years of Obama Nation. If that doesn't scare the "whiners" into sobriety nothing will.
Post by: lupinus on July 10, 2008, 03:46:29 PM
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We are a nation of whiners, and we are in a mental recession.
Why...yes.But now might not have been the best time to tell them....and in such a blunt fashion.
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 10, 2008, 03:56:25 PM
Post by: yesitsloaded on July 10, 2008, 05:30:50 PM
Post by: LAK on July 11, 2008, 03:44:02 AM
McCain attempting to "distance himself"? I'll bet.
Post by: MicroBalrog on July 11, 2008, 03:46:33 AM
Post by: charby on July 11, 2008, 04:34:21 AM
I think McCain needs to loan Obama's bus.
I was watching the Today Show this AM and Meredith said that McCain has someone to throw under the bus. My wife looked at me funny because I started laughing.
BTW, I think Phil Graham is right, we are a nation of whiners and Obama's snake oil show of "Hope and Charge" caters to the biggest whiners.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 11, 2008, 04:35:27 AM
I think McCain needs to loan Obama's bus.
I was watching the Today Show this AM and Meredith said that McCain has someone to throw under the bus. My wife looked at me funny because I started laughing.
BTW, I think Phil Graham is right, we are a nation of whiners and Obama's snake oil show of "Hope and Charge" caters to the biggest whiners.
Of course he's right, but you can't market your brand by punching the customers.
Post by: charby on July 11, 2008, 04:44:49 AM
I think McCain needs to loan Obama's bus.
I was watching the Today Show this AM and Meredith said that McCain has someone to throw under the bus. My wife looked at me funny because I started laughing.
BTW, I think Phil Graham is right, we are a nation of whiners and Obama's snake oil show of "Hope and Charge" caters to the biggest whiners.
Of course he's right, but you can't market your brand by punching the customers.
True but McCain needs to offer true "Hope and Change" and start calling the whiners out. If I was a presidential candidate I'd try my best to wake America up, point out our faults as painful as it might be and run for improvement. Improvement to me is not a leftist agenda. I'd have a lot of frothing at the mouth people pointing fingers at me but I think there would be a lot more people scratching their heads and agreeing with me.
Post by: El Tejon on July 11, 2008, 04:48:00 AM
Post by: MechAg94 on July 11, 2008, 04:51:10 AM
Finally, some straight talk from McCain!
Post by: MechAg94 on July 11, 2008, 04:55:58 AM
Why is Gramm qualified to advise anyone on economics?
He spent a bunch of years as an economics professor before going into politics. (which means little)I think people down here liked him because he was normally for limited govt.
Post by: El Tejon on July 11, 2008, 05:46:15 AM
Damn *&^%ing straight we are a nation of whiners. Someone has to point it out.
Nothing wrong with the country that a size 12 boot in the backside to most segments of us would not fix.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 11, 2008, 05:49:37 AM
Why we like Gramm=>"everyone out of the wagon and help pull it!"
Damn *&^%ing straight we are a nation of whiners. Someone has to point it out.
Nothing wrong with the country that a size 12 boot in the backside to most segments of us would not fix.
Damn *&^%ing straight we are a nation of whiners. Someone has to point it out.
Nothing wrong with the country that a size 12 boot in the backside to most segments of us would not fix.
Except that it makes people run to Obama, who promises free ponies and candy. You say that AFTER the election, not before.
Post by: yesitsloaded on July 11, 2008, 06:01:12 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on July 11, 2008, 06:01:37 AM
No one's paying attention to McCain, so how could it possibly matter what one of his advisors said?
I'm not sure what news sources you look at, but all the feeds are running with this.
Post by: MrRezister on July 11, 2008, 07:15:50 AM
As to the "mental recession", he was pointing out that the country is not in an ACTUAL recession because none of the requirements have been met. But people hear the damn word on the tv or radio every day so they've come to believe it's either here or forthcoming.
Any voter that would be "driven away" from McCain because one of his advisors has the balls to tell the truth was probably the sort more likely to vote for Obama anyway. But thank Gawd McCain is Johnny-On-The-Spot when it comes to tearing down his own party, or someone might have gotten the idea that McCain actually AGREED with the guy. Heaven forbid.
Post by: Waitone on July 11, 2008, 08:45:10 AM
Shift to the '90's. Gramm was busy lobbying congress for a few changes in dusty ol' banking laws. Seems Gramm was working on behalf of banks and financial institutions worldwide to gut Steagle Glass Act of 1933. This is the legislation that put a wall between commercial banking and financial interest. It kept commercial banks out of insurance, stocks exchanges, and sorts of financial operations. The law was gutted in 1999. Meanwhile at the FED Greenspan was busy trying to keep congress from regulating new special investment vehicles. Let the market act. Don't hinder the flow of capital, youzer--youzer--youzer.
Shift to today our financial system teeters on a knife edge because of toxic financial instruments created in the dark by the efforts of Greenspan which were then sold throughout the financial planet through the efforts of Gramm. So when Citi declare an insane loss due to toxic financial deals keep a sharp eye out for the handiwork of Gramm. At some point he and others will humm the mantra "too big to fail". All this from a man who is a high ranking official of a foreign bank.
Gramm's record is mixed. He is also the living embodiment of the status quo in DC. The only two parties in the country are Them and US; not republican and democrat.
Post by: Balog on July 11, 2008, 09:31:24 AM
Obama, who promises free ponies and candy.
I know we disagree a lot Maned, but that's the best quote ever.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 11, 2008, 09:43:53 AM
Obama, who promises free ponies and candy.
I know we disagree a lot Maned, but that's the best quote ever.
Thank you.
Post by: Balog on July 11, 2008, 10:38:52 AM
Post by: charby on July 11, 2008, 10:41:35 AM
I wonder if we could get Oleg to do a poster like that? "A RED pony in every backyard."
fixed it for you
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 11, 2008, 01:10:23 PM
OK, OK, he was a little red. 
Still a great writer, though. And Maned, it was kind of a joke at McCain's expense, so...
Post by: longeyes on July 11, 2008, 04:03:39 PM
Post by: lupinus on July 11, 2008, 04:51:01 PM
Geez, choose your words carefully man.