Post by: Bigjake on July 11, 2008, 03:21:20 PM
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Indonesia Executes Man Convicted of Killing 42 People in Ritual Slayings
Friday , July 11, 2008
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JAKARTA, Indonesia
Indonesia executed a man convicted of killing 42 women and girls in a series of ritual slayings he believed would give him magical powers, his lawyer said Friday.
Ahmad Suradji, 57, was killed by firing squad late Thursday in western Indonesia despite a last minute appeal by Amnesty International, a U.K.-based human rights advocacy group that opposes capital punishment in all cases.
"He appeared resigned to his fate," said Attorney General Office's spokesman Bonaventura Nainggolan. "His final wish was to see his wife. We fulfilled this."
Suradji was arrested in May 1997 following the discovery of a body in a field close to this house in Lubukpakan, a village in North Sumatra province. Forty-one other corpses were later found nearby.
Police have said the victims came to Suradji because they believed he had supernatural powers. The victims were believed to have been seeking his help in making their husbands or boyfriends faithful, find a partner or get rich.
He lured them to the field and buried them up to the waist, telling them it was part of the ritual. He then strangled them and buried their bodies with the heads pointing toward his house.
He has told police he believed the 11-year killing spree would boost his magical powers.
Suradji's wife, Tumini, was also sentenced to death for assisting with the murders, but her sentence was later reduced to life in prison.
Belief in sorcery and the supernatural is common across Indonesia, especially in poor, rural areas where education levels are low.
Media reports said authorities were forced to cancel a plan to bury Suradji's body in a public cemetery because up to 100 relatives of his victims were waiting there, planning to disrupt the funeral.
As of Friday morning, his body remained at the morgue of a local hospital.
Indonesia resumed executions in June 2008 after a 14-month hiatus, when two Nigerians were put to death for drug trafficking.
Authorities do not release official statistics on the death penalty, but at least 112 people are known to be under death sentences in Indonesia. The time and place of executions are never made public before they occur.
According to Amnesty International, authorities are preparing to execute at least four other Indonesians. One of them is also a sorcerer, who was found guilty of killing 8 people. The other three are Islamic militants.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 11, 2008, 03:23:07 PM
Post by: Bigjake on July 11, 2008, 03:27:50 PM
If I was the official, I would have told the Amnesty International idiots that if they wished to stand in front of him, they could, but the squad would be firing anyway.
Definitely.
I'm really at a loss trying to understand these Amnesty International nutjobs. We execute bad people because they are bad people, why the hell do these goofballs seem to think it's their business to stop that? Seriously, who defends a convicted serial killer!!??
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 11, 2008, 03:28:15 PM
If I was the official, I would have told the Amnesty International idiots that if they wished to stand in front of him, they could, but the squad would be firing anyway.
Good idea. I can't express how much I hate Amnesty International. I was accosted more than one time by their minions of indoctrinated teens a few weeks back. The third time I was prepared to punch them for being stupid in public.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 11, 2008, 03:30:11 PM
If I was the official, I would have told the Amnesty International idiots that if they wished to stand in front of him, they could, but the squad would be firing anyway.
Definitely.
I'm really at a loss trying to understand these Amnesty International nutjobs. We execute bad people because they are bad people, why the hell do these goofballs seem to think it's their business to stop that? Seriously, who defends a convicted serial killer!!??
Post by: Bigjake on July 11, 2008, 03:35:39 PM
Because of too much wishful thinking. Idiots who believe that everyone can be cured/rehabilitated. Heck, I think we need to execute MORE people. Starting with rapists. Abolishing the death penalty was the biggest mistake we ever did here. Especially when we abolished it for treason.
Were that the case, the entire staff of the New York Times would be laying in a bloody heap in Central Park.... (Which would be appropriate).
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 11, 2008, 03:46:04 PM
The Viking, you truly need to move here, we need more good men like yourself.
Because of too much wishful thinking. Idiots who believe that everyone can be cured/rehabilitated. Heck, I think we need to execute MORE people. Starting with rapists. Abolishing the death penalty was the biggest mistake we ever did here. Especially when we abolished it for treason.
Were that the case, the entire staff of the New York Times would be laying in a bloody heap in Central Park.... (Which would be appropriate).
Believe me, I'm trying to get over, but it's rather hard for someone with only high school to brag about. Going to change that though. Some way. Engineering has a certain appeal to me. Because of too much wishful thinking. Idiots who believe that everyone can be cured/rehabilitated. Heck, I think we need to execute MORE people. Starting with rapists. Abolishing the death penalty was the biggest mistake we ever did here. Especially when we abolished it for treason.
Were that the case, the entire staff of the New York Times would be laying in a bloody heap in Central Park.... (Which would be appropriate).
Post by: Bigjake on July 11, 2008, 04:14:55 PM
I'll admit being entirely ignorant in the subject of How People Become Americans. Unless they happen to be Mexicans. that process involves only a short swim and some welfare applications.
Either way, too far for you to swim.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 11, 2008, 04:41:42 PM
Well, good on ya then. Is there anything in that process we (APS) could do to help?? Couldn't you get a student visa or something?
I'll admit being entirely ignorant in the subject of How People Become Americans. Unless they happen to be Mexicans. that process involves only a short swim and some welfare applications.
Either way, too far for you to swim.
Nah, I figure that I first need some math classes, but I've got friends in meatspace to help me with that, after that, a preparatory year at a Technical College in Gothenburg, then if I graduate from that, I'm guaranteed a place in any engineering programme of my choice at that school I'll admit being entirely ignorant in the subject of How People Become Americans. Unless they happen to be Mexicans. that process involves only a short swim and some welfare applications.
Either way, too far for you to swim.
.How to become an American citizen: Green Card first: Can be had in a number of ways, favored professions for example, say doctors...or engineers or whatnot. Marrying a US citizen, or winning the Green Card lottery (I've signed up two years in a row now, no luck yet). And a whole bunch of other ways. Somehow I'm going to make it though, preferably on my own merits
.And yes, although I love to swim, it's way too far. I'd drown before I've got out of our territorial waters
.
Post by: Bigjake on July 11, 2008, 05:08:06 PM
Post by: Tallpine on July 11, 2008, 05:27:30 PM
Post by: Bigjake on July 11, 2008, 05:56:02 PM
Save up enough for a vacation in Cancun. Get a good tan and come on up
or you could go that route. Hasn't disuaded roughly 11-25 million illegals yet.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 11, 2008, 06:06:36 PM
Save up enough for a vacation in Cancun. Get a good tan and come on up
No habla español...(shame on me for that. took Spanish for 6 years in school. I can probably order beer, and not much more
)
Post by: Marvin Dao on July 11, 2008, 06:39:33 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 11, 2008, 06:43:55 PM
Ouch, Green Card lottery's a pain unless you have relatives already in the States. Waiting for the inevitable amnesty bill and doing a bit of creative forging might just be faster.
I feel that it would be rather rude to start my new life by violating your laws.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 12, 2008, 12:26:58 AM
Ouch, Green Card lottery's a pain unless you have relatives already in the States. Waiting for the inevitable amnesty bill and doing a bit of creative forging might just be faster.
I feel that it would be rather rude to start my new life by violating your laws.Shame 12+ million sorts from South of the Border had no such ethics.
Post by: MicroBalrog on July 12, 2008, 12:55:10 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 12, 2008, 02:43:08 AM
Good for the Indonesians.
Post by: Balog on July 19, 2008, 08:37:44 AM
Post by: Ned Hamford on July 19, 2008, 09:48:06 AM
Viking: can you find a willing American lass to "marry" you for a few years? Ironclad prenup and all that.
Depending on the state it may not even have to be a lass....
Post by: MicroBalrog on July 19, 2008, 11:52:49 AM
Viking: can you find a willing American lass to "marry" you for a few years? Ironclad prenup and all that.
Depending on the state it may not even have to be a lass....Under DOMA the US doesn't accept gay marriage for this purpose. I think.
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 19, 2008, 06:38:50 PM
Viking: can you find a willing American lass to "marry" you for a few years? Ironclad prenup and all that.
Depending on the state it may not even have to be a lass....Under DOMA the US doesn't accept gay marriage for this purpose. I think.
Give it time.