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Title: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Manedwolf on July 24, 2008, 12:28:46 PM
To attract people to his rally today.



Scared yet?  shocked

What the hell is he running for anyway? President of the planet?
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: taurusowner on July 24, 2008, 12:32:05 PM
Give it a few years.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: charby on July 24, 2008, 12:35:47 PM
Looks like a modern version of some the old NAZI propaganda posters.


Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Manedwolf on July 24, 2008, 12:40:54 PM
Looks like a modern version of some the old NAZI propaganda posters.



That's because it is. Bauhaus style of the early 1930's, favored by Nazis, Soviets (as seen in the propaganda magazine USSR in Construction), and other dictatorial regimes. See German Modernism and Soviet Modernism for more.

It's gotten some retro play for things like electronica/dance music events, but that's in an IRONIC sense...making fun of the original purpose as used by political figures. 

This, back to the real purpose, with the face in the corner like that, it's downright frightening.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 24, 2008, 01:21:34 PM
What the hell is he doing in Berlin anyway? Huh?
You guys extended voting rights in the presidential election to Germans or what?

And yes, flyer is scary. Even scarier than those old posters.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on July 24, 2008, 01:28:34 PM
I hear that Obama plastered the Western Wall with giant campaign posters when he was in Jerusalem.  Apparently he thinks Germans and Israelis get to vote.  Maybe you'll get a chance to vote for him too, Viking.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 24, 2008, 02:00:40 PM
I hear that Obama plastered the Western Wall with giant campaign posters when he was in Jerusalem.  Apparently he thinks Germans and Israelis get to vote.  Maybe you'll get a chance to vote for him too, Viking.
I'd rather cut my wrists open than voting for him.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: xavier fremboe on July 24, 2008, 02:17:54 PM
Do I have to have the Horst Wessel song memorized yet?  I think I've got the first verse down pat, but I get lost in the chorus...
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: French G. on July 24, 2008, 02:39:18 PM
I heard on NPR news that a poll of Germans indicated that if they were able to vote for our president something like 76% would vote Obama. Just a reminder that we must have been living right when we won WWII so they can't!
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Umber on July 24, 2008, 03:00:55 PM
Not to discount any of the more serious comments, but BO's facial expression seems to indicate that he's having a very rough time with a bowel movement or something of that sort.  I wonder if the event will be televised worldwide?

Or maybe I'm way off base.  His expression might be due to his having been asked a serious question about his policies.

Just grapsing at straws, as usual.

Umber
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: seeker_two on July 24, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
He's running for President of the US and Secretary General of the UN at the same time.....talk about New World Order creepies.....
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 24, 2008, 04:22:56 PM
Just one problem with BHO's "soaring" speech today in Germany...he should have given it in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, or Libya.  It is they who have erected "the walls."
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: FiveBillionAcres on July 24, 2008, 05:17:59 PM
Walls and fences make good neighbors I'm a US and a Canadian Citizen and for walls between the two countries, maybe not literal ones because of the expense but sovereignty is good.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on July 24, 2008, 05:38:37 PM
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Do I have to have the Horst Wessel song memorized yet?  I think I've got the first verse down pat, but I get lost in the chorus...

I had an idea of what song that was, but I wasn't sure, so I looked it up.

http://www.worldmilitaria.com/newsite/Media/HorstWesselLied.mp3

Most memorable "place" I remember hearing it was in the Return to Castle Wolfenstein game that came out a couple of years ago.  I thought it was just some German oktoberfest drinking song (I don't know any German).

The parallels between that flier and the displayed posters (as well as the similar WWII era posters that make up some of the scenery in many video games) is just eery.  I can't imagine he didn't know what he or his staffers were doing with those posters.  They're affronting and actually validate many of the other posters I've seen that mock Obama.

Anyways, I don't mean to sound like all I do is play video games... grin it's just my biggest exposure to WWII era propaganda posters and music.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 24, 2008, 06:16:58 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/07/24/world/0724-OBAMAGERMANY_3.html
The funniest part is this picture showing up.  I can see a couple more emails circulating next week, only this time they won't be talking about any secret muslim stuff.    laugh

Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: freakazoid on July 24, 2008, 07:11:43 PM
Apparently 200,000 people showed up.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 24, 2008, 07:17:59 PM
No shortage of 'droids.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on July 24, 2008, 07:25:19 PM
Apparently 200,000 people showed up.
Sorta like the million man march where a million people showed up.  That is, until they actually counted the crows and found that only a measly hundred thousand showed up. 

Or was that the million mom march?  I misremember.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 24, 2008, 07:29:37 PM
Well, here's a Der Spiegel Obamaton reporting on today's happening:

No. 44 Has Spoken

By Gerhard Spörl
Anyone who saw Barack Obama at Berlin's Siegessäule on Thursday could recognize that this man will become the 44th president of the United States. He is more than ambitious -- he wants to lay claim to become the president of the world.

It was a ton to absorb -- and what a stupendous ride through world history: the story of his own family, the Berlin Airlift, terrorists, poorly secured nuclear material, the polar caps, World War II, America's errors, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, freedom. It's amazing one could even pack such a potpourri of issues into sentences and then succeed in squeezing them all into the space of a speech that lasted less than 30 minutes.

So what still sticks? That Barack Obama is a passionate politician who is fixated on and takes very seriously his desire for a bit of uptopia and a better world. That he is an impressive speaker who knows how to casually draw his audience into his image of the world -- one who doesn't have any need to resort to the kind of cheap effects that tend to prompt the uproarious applause of an audience. That he is a typical American -- an idealist in the true spirit of the American success story who is now very casually making his claim to become something akin to the president of the world.

He also could have said: We are a world power, the only one that exists on this planet at the moment, and I am going to act as if that were the case. But you're also allowed to participate in the attempt to try to save the world -- at least a bit of it. In that sense I am different from George W. Bush -- very different. Indeed, Barack Obama has his own sound -- it's more utopian, he speaks of the general human desire for better conditions for all of humanity; and he speaks of the longing for strong and dynamic presidents and chancellors who are capable of acting on a global scale. With this drive and this radiance, he managed to drive Hillary Clinton out of the campaign. It is also the way he is going to outpace John McCain on November 4. It is the way he took the hearts of Americans by storm and it is the way he is now taking Europe by storm.

Anyone who saw him make the short way from the Victory Column in Berlin on Thursday to the podium saw a man with the serious gait of a basketball player, a man who seemed young, decisive and focused. For those who witnessed his appearance in Berlin, it is hard to imagine that John McCain still has any chance. McCain is 25 years his senior, a man who because of the torture he endured in Vietnam is in constant pain -- unable to comb his hair or lift his arm in celebration.

Europe is witnessing the 44th president of the United States during this trip. Anyone who listens to him quickly realizes that he is not only ambitious but will also make demands. In the inner circles of Angela Merkel's Chancellery, he is reportedly seen as a pleasant person, one who arouses curiosity.

However, he is also certain to demand the help of the Germans, Brits and French in Afghanistan and Iraq. He's not going to allow NATO to shirk its duty -- and that is where the perils of the engaging "we" and the catchy "Yes, we can" lie. Otherwise all these hard-nosed Europeans will hope and pray that the future President Obama isnt really all that serious about the saving the world of tomorrow, the polar caps, Darfur and the poppy harvest over in Afghanistan.

George W. Bush is yesterday, the Texas version of the arrogant world power. Obama is all about today: the "everybody really just wants to be brothers and save the world" utopia. As for us, we who sometimes admire and sometimes curse this somewhat anemic, pragmatic democracy, we will have to quickly get used to Barack Obama, the new leader of a lofty democracy that loves those big nice words -- words that warm our hearts and alarm our minds.

Let's allow ourselves to be warmed today, by this man at the Victory Column. Then we'll take a further look.

Gerhard Spörl is the chief editor of DER SPIEGEL's foreign desk.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: agricola on July 24, 2008, 08:53:48 PM
longeyes,

Perhaps that Obamatron isnt as much of a drone as the initial skim-read would suggest:

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"we will have to quickly get used to Barack Obama, the new leader of a lofty democracy that loves those big nice words -- words that warm our hearts and alarm our minds"


Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on July 25, 2008, 08:14:54 AM
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It was a ton to absorb -- and what a stupendous ride through world history: the story of his own family, the Berlin Airlift, terrorists, poorly secured nuclear material, the polar caps, World War II, America's errors, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, freedom. It's amazing one could even pack such a potpourri of issues into sentences and then succeed in squeezing them all into the space of a speech that lasted less than 30 minutes.

Hey, if you treat 60 different topics to 15 second soundbites followed by 15 seconds of drone-applause, you just killed half an hour without addressing a single issue or being pinned down to a solid stance on anything.

I hear manbearpig is on the loose, too, melting those polar ice caps that Obama's so worried about.  Since he's half man, half bear and half pig you could talk for 30 seconds on each one of those halves and kill 3 minutes when you include the audience-queued applause.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 25, 2008, 09:12:16 AM
Agricola,

I see your point but if his tongue was in his cheek it got stuck.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Scout26 on July 25, 2008, 11:11:59 AM


Sieg Heil, anyone ??
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: agricola on July 25, 2008, 11:24:51 AM

"Victory turns her back on Obama"

 grin
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Tallpine on July 25, 2008, 11:27:53 AM
I see why McCain isn't campaigning much.  He's just letting BO self-destruct.  rolleyes
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: RocketMan on July 25, 2008, 01:54:13 PM
I see why McCain isn't campaigning much.  He's just letting BO self-destruct.  rolleyes

Somehow I just don't believe Obama is going to self destruct.  He is going to lend new meaning to the term "teflon" as it is applied to politicians.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: agricola on July 25, 2008, 02:36:27 PM
I see why McCain isn't campaigning much.  He's just letting BO self-destruct.  rolleyes

Somehow I just don't believe Obama is going to self destruct.  He is going to lend new meaning to the term "teflon" as it is applied to politicians.

He is likely to self-destruct, its just a large part of the media is going to deny it ever took place.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: taurusowner on July 25, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 25, 2008, 07:13:53 PM
What's changed since the '60s and the Carter eras is the demographic make-up of America and several decades of dramatic culture changes.  We should have paid more attention to internal metamorphosis while we were basking in the Reagan glow, methinks.  "History" didn't end, it went sour.  Obama is going to divide America at its heart, probably irreversibly, perhaps terminally.  That is what I believe.  He would be the first President in our history to run on the premise that the country he governs is, at root, a bad nation that needs to atone for its manifest sins and humble itself before the rest of the globe.  My own personal belief is that his deepest sympathies lie not with America as a whole but with "People of Color."  He is here to avenge his father's spirit, and I think we know by now that Barack Sr was a Kenyan Marxist of uncertain moral character who abandoned little Barack.  What ought to be the stuff of psychotherapy has become, alas, the stuff of Presidential aspirations and perhaps actual policy.  The Nightmare looms just ahead of us if a whole lot of Americans don't come to their senses by November.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 25, 2008, 07:21:32 PM
For me the big question is... Do you think he actually knows that all those people CAN'T actually vote for him? grin
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Manedwolf on July 25, 2008, 08:23:47 PM
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 25, 2008, 08:34:47 PM
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Soros?
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Manedwolf on July 25, 2008, 08:39:53 PM
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Soros?

*DING!*



(He's right there in a blue shirt at one of Obama's messiah-like appearances.)
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 25, 2008, 08:51:12 PM
Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?  I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

Keep in mind who one of his major bankrollers is, a meddling and very rich liberal whose lifelong goal has always been one socialist world government.
Soros?

*DING!*



(He's right there in a blue shirt at one of Obama's messiah-like appearances.)
Goes to show that the good die young, and the evil seems to live forever...
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 26, 2008, 05:54:03 AM
We have heard, repeatedly, that Communism and Socialism are "failed philosophies."  We were told that Reagan ended "history."

Well, that was pretty foolish, wasn't it?

In the end it will come down to who cares more and who's willing to sacrifice more.

We are supposed to have the affluent on our side, but we can't get a grass-roots movement going to raise megabucks or a YouTube propaganda blitz?

And where is our Soros?  Or Soroi? 

We need to do some serious soul-searching to ask ourselves how we wound up with a McCain and a whole lot of apathy circling around a "silent majority" that seems frankly baffled by the energy and momentum of this new political wave.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 26, 2008, 06:05:12 AM
The issue, to me, is how what ought to be a small nutty movement easily marginalized by sensible and responsible adults has grown into a monster that threatens to overturn much of our political and social and moral life.

THAT is what should concern us.  Not that there are Obamas, because there have always been and always been Obamas.  But how this Obama, right now, has become so damnably powerful and so close to actually being on the verge of winning the highest office on the planet.  Unless we really come to grips with this phenomenon and understand it, we cannot defeat it and we are going to be unable to figure out the actions needed to combat it.

If all it took was McCain saying, hey, I'm 71, a war hero, and I know the score, this wouldn't even be a contest.

Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: freakazoid on July 26, 2008, 06:30:47 AM
I think the point of going over there was to show that he could be a president that people from other countries would like.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Manedwolf on July 26, 2008, 06:34:43 AM
I think the point of going over there was to show that he could be a president that people from other countries would like.

Why is that a priority in any way or form? Europe would "like" a weaker US. That's what they'd "like".
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 26, 2008, 06:48:12 AM
The point of going over there was to apologize for America, to let the Euros know that if he's elected they can expect a kinder, gentler, humbler, weaker America.  He will be the first non-America-centric America President.  That's been the undercurrent of Obama's position there and here from the beginning.  He has grave doubts about the integrity of the American core and he's made that clear many times, although recently he's tried to soften the blow a bit by throwing in bracing platitudes about our national accomplishments and his affection for our land.  The problem with Obama is that he doesn't like America much more than Michelle does, and his heart is with the American "underclass," especially people of color.  He's got race on the brain.  We ought to know that from his own books by now.  If the American middle-class can't see what this guy's all about and where he wants to take us, well then...

"Hang on, it's going to be a bumpy night."
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 26, 2008, 06:55:14 AM
We don't have a conservative Soros because...

Our rightwing plutocrats are more interested in developing new derivatives or in 'scoping out real estate in the Caymans or installing better security systems on the estate...?

Maybe the most successful amongst us just aren't that interested in liberty, only in "asset preservation?"

When not even guys like Bill Gates or Warren Buffett seem too excited about preserving liberty and capitalism, well, you have to wonder a little, don't you?  Instead of creating a foundation to encourage entrepreneurism, Gates creates yet another foundation that will inevitably fund the very people who despise the things that made him rich.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 26, 2008, 07:23:06 AM
Uh, isn't that like letting cancer "run its course?"  undecided
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 26, 2008, 07:57:29 AM
I think the point of going over there was to show that he could be a president that people from other countries would like.

Why is that a priority in any way or form? Europe would "like" a weaker US. That's what they'd "like".
Until the moment when the muslim masses in the ghettos all over France, Germany, Spain, UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark and the other countries bring about the european front of Jihad. Then they'll cry for the US to intervene. But at that moment, there might not be a US anymore. Not as we know it today atleast. I hope this moment never comes...
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: MechAg94 on July 26, 2008, 08:07:01 AM
Along with the news of this Berlin thing, there was also the little fact that Obama canceled visits to troops in Germany.  The story I heard was that the trips were canceled after the military told he couldn't bring the media with him. 
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Sindawe on July 26, 2008, 08:08:50 AM
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But how this Obama, right now, has become so damnably powerful and so close to actually being on the verge of winning the highest office on the planet.  Unless we really come to grips with this phenomenon and understand it, we cannot defeat it and we are going to be unable to figure out the actions needed to combat it.

Obama and his ilk play to the motives and emotions that our society had drilled into us from a very young age for several generations.  "Help thy neighbor; be kind and caring for the less fortunate; give to charity, et alii...".  Unfortunately this culture seems to have forgotten the other side of the coin with those noble virtues, namely being responsible for yourself and your actions; sometimes you have to be cruel and let the foolish suffer the pains of their folly to be kind and teach them to not do that again.

Hope, change and a brighter future are good comfortable positions where the voters can feel good about what they are doing, despite the actuality of the message bearer being completely at odds with what this nation was once about.  Makeing the hard choices, 'specially about those "less fortunate" are uncomfortable places to be, fraught with self doubt and inner struggle about the correctness of such choices.  Better to go with Hope, Change and all that rot.  And if it turns sour?  "Well, I did it with the best intentions..."

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We don't have a conservative Soros because...

Those who actually believe in the cause of freedom and that which once made this nation great are labeled as "out of touch with reality", their supporters given funny names on public forums, and are depicted in the mass media as nut cases who you just know will lead us into the darkness.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: longeyes on July 26, 2008, 08:26:04 AM
S., what you say is true.

What I meant was the time has come to name name and identify, specifically, the groups and institutions that are behind the destruction of our liberty.

We are being undone by our civility and good will, as you imply.

But these "messages" have come from certain places.  Let's name just one: our school system, all the way from K through grad school.  If we sit by and allow propaganda to displace education, we can kiss America goodbye.  It may already be too late.

We live in a media age where drug addicts, thugs, and whores are the objects of constant public attention.  Meanwhile, a man like McCain lives in a cocoon of modesty.  I don't mean to mock the man; I rather admire his sober and stoical Roman virtue.   But if Obama had a son in Iraq and another in Annapolis, would we not be hearing about it night and day, day and night?

If we don't wish to play by the rules of the new game, we will end up having no choice but to overturn the chess board altogether...
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Lennyjoe on July 27, 2008, 05:52:09 AM
Seen quite a few of Obama shirts for sale in a couple of Urban wear stores while walking in the Baltimore inner harbor yesterday.  Wish I would of taken pictures of them because they looked alot like the flyer.  Only thing missing was a hammer and sickle.

BTW, I went into one of them shops and asked if they had any McCain shirts for sale and boy did they get all pissed off.  grin



Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: roo_ster on July 27, 2008, 09:24:21 AM
agricola for the win.  Ouch.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: roo_ster on July 27, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
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What ought to be the stuff of psychotherapy has become, alas, the stuff of Presidential aspirations and perhaps actual policy.
Unfortunately, all the Dems can seem to pick and run are candidates with "daddy issues" (WJC, BHO).



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And where is our Soros?  Or Soroi? 

His name is Charles Koch:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_G._Koch
http://www.kochind.com/default.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute

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Koch is a libertarian and supports many free-market organizations such as the Cato Institute, which he founded together with Edward H. Crane and Murray Rothbard in 1977. Koch also funds the highly selective Charles G. Koch Summer Fellow Program through the Institute for Humane Studies.

Not enough of the industrialists are as unapologetic in their love of country and liberty as CGK.  Too many Bill Gateses who think that "doing good as you do well" means supporting socialism.
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: Serena on July 28, 2008, 07:11:17 AM
And yes, the flyer is scary. Even scarier than those old posters.

Who are these Germans that are flocking to Herr Obama?  I lived in Germany for fourteen years.  Anyone who was at that time in his or her 30s or older knew enough history not to trust such propaganda.  Those people are now in their 50s and 60s.  Most people this age do not go to rallies.  We're too tired from getting through each day.

If we don't stop it, it will be worse than what happened to the unsuspecting Germans during the Weimar Republic.

Most Germans have no clue as to what life in America is actually like, or what those of who think actually think.  There is a naive snobbery amongst Europeans that all Americans are noisy, naive, sloppy, self-indulgent, ignorant, uncultured....  Many of their accusations are true.  But, it was true enough during the Weimar Republic about the Germans themselves that a failed, self-indulgent art student from Austria, a foreigner, charmed them with slick talk by telling enough truth to mesmerize enough people to make Germany forget itself and become hypnotized.  Obama-devotees are just as hypnotized.  The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

It is tragic how many elderly, Anglo-Saxon women are also mesmerized by such snakiness.

I'm glad you gentlemen are here, and telling the truth.
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Post by: longeyes on July 28, 2008, 07:27:16 AM
Good post.  Foolishness isn't the monopoly of any nation.

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Unfortunately, all the Dems can seem to pick and run are candidates with "daddy issues" (WJC, BHO).

Yeah, but it's not just the Dems.

This is why we're in the mess we're in.   The entire political class has become a psychiatric playpen.
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Post by: Boomhauer on July 28, 2008, 05:32:10 PM
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Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.


I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm 20, but I've studied 20th Century history (particuarly WWII) for most of my life...

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Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?  I know from history that Carter was a terrible president.  But did he have that same unwholesome "one world government" feeling like Obama does?


We can see that Carter was a terrible and ineffective president. However, he didn't have the backing of Soros and Co, nor was he controlled by the Daley political machine, and once the people saw how terrible he was, he was dumped out of office before he did great harm, and we got Reagan who fixed his screwups

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I just can't shake the feeling that the country that I have lived in and read about in history is going to change fundamentally under Obama.  Like there's a USA 1776-2008, and something else 2008 onward.  I'm not saying it's the "death of America" or any super tinfoil hat stuff.  Just that something about Obama is going to divide America's history into 2 halves, before him, and after him.  And not at all in a good way.  Am I just imagining this because I'm too young to remember other terrible times in our country?

No, you are right to feel that way. Nothing has ever been this bad in our country...the way I see it, our country's history has been greatly marred by two events since the Revolution...the Civil War, and the Great Depression. Those are two points where we hit rock bottom, but I think Obama could be worse...

I view civil war or a second revolution as a very, very real possiblity if Obama is elected...his socialist doublespeak, and his "slips" about wanting to form his civilian security force and "mandatory volunteering" (NewSpeak for slavery) scare the hell out of me.
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Post by: chaim on July 28, 2008, 08:09:09 PM
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Apparently he thinks Germans and Israelis get to vote.

Actually, there are large American expat communities in Israel, Germany, the rest of Europe and the Middle East, and in Asia.  In what may be a close election, those American votes can make a difference.  It also isn't uncommon for the major party candidates to have an audience with major friendly world leaders to 1) reassure the friendly leaders of US foreign policy continuity, and 2) to look presidential for the news back home.  This is why McCain made a trip to Israel fairly recently.

So, low key visits with members of the American expat community in Germany and maybe a photo op with the Prime Minister is fine.  What gets me is the vast rally in front of 200K Germans.  No questioning in the US press about why or if it made any sense.  This is what is unusual and disturbing.

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Maybe it's just cause I'm young(24), but I fear for our country under an Obama regime like I have never feared something political before.  Those of you more advanced in years, has something like him taken place before that you can remember?

Well, I'm older but not that old (38) but I am a student (and teacher) of history.

The cult of personality we are seeing surrounding Obama is rare, but not unheard of.  In the past 100 years there have been a few leaders with a similar "aura": Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Emperor Hirohito, Mao, Kennedy and Reagan.  Look at that list and see how many were helpful to society and how many were harmful.  Scary isn't it?  Further, the near religious following in the press and teflon coating protecting him from any negatives seem more in line with the totalitarian examples and not the two American examples.  Add in some of his history (look into his mentors for instance), the statements and actions by him and his wife even in this campaign, his minister, and some of his proposed policies, and it doesn't look too good.

I'm worried myself.
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Post by: longeyes on July 28, 2008, 10:40:02 PM
Don't be worried, be prepared.
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Post by: LAK on July 28, 2008, 10:56:06 PM
Both Obama and McCain get Secret Service protection paid from out of the public purse on these foreign "campaigns" - I'd like to know who wrote that into the program.
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Post by: Balog on July 29, 2008, 10:49:30 AM
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The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

Uh, what? Martin Luther King jr was "in power" at some point? And he was put there by.... who?
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Post by: Boomhauer on July 29, 2008, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: Serena
The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

Uh, what? Martin Luther King jr was "in power" at some point? And he was put there by.... who?


Yeah, I'd kind of like to know when MLK Jr was in power, and by who. And also, WHY would the people you say who bankrolled HItler and Co. (who were Aryan supremacists) back a black guy?

And what about JFK? Yeah, his father supported Hitler, but that doesn't mean he did...
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Post by: seeker_two on July 29, 2008, 03:12:53 PM
Quote from: Serena
The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

Uh, what? Martin Luther King jr was "in power" at some point? And he was put there by.... who?


Yeah, I'd kind of like to know when MLK Jr was in power, and by who. And also, WHY would the people you say who bankrolled HItler and Co. (who were Aryan supremacists) back a black guy?

And what about JFK? Yeah, his father supported Hitler, but that doesn't mean he did...

It was the Jews......it's always the Jews......either the Jews or fistful.....and the Jews blame him for stuff, too....
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Post by: agricola on July 30, 2008, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: Serena
The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

Uh, what? Martin Luther King jr was "in power" at some point? And he was put there by.... who?


Yeah, I'd kind of like to know when MLK Jr was in power, and by who. And also, WHY would the people you say who bankrolled HItler and Co. (who were Aryan supremacists) back a black guy?

And what about JFK? Yeah, his father supported Hitler, but that doesn't mean he did...

It was the Jews......it's always the Jews......either the Jews or fistful.....and the Jews blame him for stuff, too....

He should have that in his sig:  Fistful:  The Jews' Jews
Title: Re: The fliers given out at cafes in Berlin by the Obama campaign...
Post by: seeker_two on July 30, 2008, 12:49:55 PM
Quote from: Serena
The same money-snakes bankrolled and put Hitler in power, who put MLK, JR. in power, and now are putting forth the same scheme with Obama.

Uh, what? Martin Luther King jr was "in power" at some point? And he was put there by.... who?


Yeah, I'd kind of like to know when MLK Jr was in power, and by who. And also, WHY would the people you say who bankrolled HItler and Co. (who were Aryan supremacists) back a black guy?

And what about JFK? Yeah, his father supported Hitler, but that doesn't mean he did...

It was the Jews......it's always the Jews......either the Jews or fistful.....and the Jews blame him for stuff, too....

He should have that in his sig:  Fistful:  The Jews' Jews

He's like the Hebrew Hammer.......but more goyim....