Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 10:55:28 AM
I had never actually experienced it until today. At first I thought I was going to pass-out, then I felt chills, then I started trembling, and then I vomited about 6 times over the course of a minute. Then 45 seconds later, I felt fine.
That is the weirdest thing I've ever experienced, and having been on a lot of medications and through a lot of surgeries, I know a fair amount about weird feelings!
Anybody else ever have this happen? I guess the best thing to do is when you start feeling the buildup, stop for a couple minutes and let it get absorbed before continuing.
I'm not a bodybuilder, but I have been working very hard since January to lose all excess weight and get "ripped" as my new years resolution was to look awesome by the years end.... "awesome" as in Chuck Norris himself would be proud.
So far I've followed through as I'm about half way there.
Post by: Iain on August 06, 2008, 11:09:58 AM
And yes, I've thrown up more than a few times. Most frequently after a lay off, or after something obscene like breathing squats. Agreed that sometimes you feel a lot better after the vomiting, sometimes good enough to go back and finish. The real fun comes with heavy deadlifts/rack pulls and controlling the imminent passing out.
Now, I have the glories of punishment shuttle runs at rugby training to look forward to. They have a high degree of puke factor.
Post by: alex_trebek on August 06, 2008, 11:22:23 AM
How much do you guys lift?
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Post by: BridgeRunner on August 06, 2008, 12:01:40 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 12:04:40 PM
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How much do you guys lift?
Really not that much. My legs are the only ones doing respectable amounts of weight. So far I can do 1040 lbs on them (incline leg press - 10 reps), but this Friday I'm going to try 1125. I don't do all my sets at that weight. I usually will do under 900 lbs for the first 3 sets of 15 or 20 depending on how much energy I have, and then for the last/fourth set I'll take the reps down to 10 or 8 and do max weight.
The rest is relatively tame with the most I can do otherwise being only 245 lbs (straight military press). Concentrated curls is 150 lbs max.... etc etc. (you get the idea). I'm not doing as much weight yet as I'd like on upper body stuff. My legs are just a fluke. My upper body and lower body are for some reason not proportional strength wise. For the record btw - all the max weights I listed are the same situation as above with the leg press. For example for concentrated curls using a curved bar, I'll usually start at 90 lbs for the first set of 15, then 110 for 15, then 130 for 10 reps, and then 150 for 8 reps or something. So, you get the idea. I still have a lot of work to do, but I consider myself about half way to where I want to be.
I think today I just went straight through too fast and didn't take enough breaks.
The idea is to build muscle and do cardio so that the cardio will burn the fat, and the muscle will increase the weight of burning the fat, as well as just make me look a bit more.... manly I guess? Wrong word maybe.
Post by: Iain on August 06, 2008, 12:14:12 PM
Cheese - you want to look more uh, manly? I'll put it like this - everyone I know who can actually military press 245lbs looks 'manly'. Most capable of a bodyweight military press look pretty manly. The guys who can actually curl 130lbs for 10 reps - well one of them was a Mr Britain several years back.
Post by: Fjolnirsson on August 06, 2008, 12:18:55 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 12:19:30 PM
This is the internet, everyone can lift tons.
Cheese - you want to look more uh, manly? I'll put it like this - everyone I know who can actually military press 245lbs looks 'manly'. Most capable of a bodyweight military press look pretty manly. The guys who can actually curl 130lbs for 10 reps - well one of them was a Mr Britain several years back.
Cheese - you want to look more uh, manly? I'll put it like this - everyone I know who can actually military press 245lbs looks 'manly'. Most capable of a bodyweight military press look pretty manly. The guys who can actually curl 130lbs for 10 reps - well one of them was a Mr Britain several years back.
Not when they still have enough body fat on them to make the muscles not quite visible. I can feel the muscle, but I still need to lose more weight for them to be visible. btw - I weigh considerably more than 245 lbs.
Post by: Iain on August 06, 2008, 12:20:28 PM
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 06, 2008, 12:21:38 PM
A friend of mine and I used to to martial arts, but we were both black belts out of practice. We signed up together for a class and attended, pushing ourselves to the limit and beyond because neither of us wanted to be the first to give up.
We were both very ill that day and night. His girlfriend took him to the hospital in the middle of the night from convulsions and vomiting. I ached for 3 days straight... it felt like my muscles were torn apart.
There's a substance in your muscles called ATP (adenicine triphosphate) that reacts when flooded with calcium from neural stimulation. This causes muscle contraction, resulting in heat and ATP oxidizing to ADP (adenicine diphosphate) and some other stuff I can't remember.
But the ADP is mildly toxic. Also, when you use up all the ATP resources in your muscles, the neural stimulation results in protein breakdown, which is really bad.
Add to that the fact that he took ibuprophin for pain, and he was in terrible shape. Ibuprophin has negative reactions with that form of muscle pain, I can't remember exactly, but the doctor said that acetaminophen was the correct drug to take for that particular situation if pain management was necessary. I ended up taking no drugs, and he took a bunch of Advil which is ibuprophin.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 12:23:09 PM
So how much do you weigh?
Depends on the scale. I have one scale that says I weigh 277, and another that says I weigh 286. One of them is wrong, and I don't know which. The one that says 286 is a scale I bought recently by Tanita (I think is the brand). It's digital and I bought it because it also calculates body fat percentage and water percentage. It's weird, because when I started, I was 325 lbs back in early January, and then I got down to 260 lbs around the end of March, but now somehow I'm back up even though I'm still dieting.
The trainer says it's muscle weight, but that seems like a lot of muscle weight. I think it may have something to do with water retention, because I started drinking diet soda again early June.
Post by: BridgeRunner on August 06, 2008, 12:26:40 PM
Add to that the fact that he took ibuprophin for pain, and he was in terrible shape. Ibuprophin has negative reactions with that form of muscle pain, I can't remember exactly, but the doctor said that acetaminophen was the correct drug to take for that particular situation if pain management was necessary. I ended up taking no drugs, and he took a bunch of Advil which is ibuprophin.
Something about the anti-inflammatory properties reducing the abilities of tissue damaged by overuse to heal. It's recommended that runners avoid the stuff when dealing with pain from increasing one's workout. I'm a newb runner atm, and I've been sticking with ice for shinsplints.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 12:29:15 PM
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The guys who can actually curl 130lbs for 10 reps - well one of them was a Mr Britain several years back.
Really? Well, I guess that's kind of encouraging.
ETA: Was that isolated or not? Keep in mind I do concentrated curls standing up, so usually when I get up towards my max weight, I'm putting probably more back into it than I should be.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 12:35:28 PM
Post by: Iain on August 06, 2008, 12:37:45 PM
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TYfJuYQyyvo - that's the guy, owns my gym. 290kg is 639lbs.
Make sure you know the difference between a curl and a reverse grip powerclean eh?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 01:26:05 PM
Honestly though, when it comes to the different exercises, I know some, but I mainly rely on the trainer to tell me what to do. It's kind of expensive at $45 an hour and I use him 4 or 5 times a week (depending on his schedule). However, if I accomplish my new years resolution, it will have been worth it.
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You weigh a bit less than a 100lbs more than me though.
That's why I say I don't look manly. I look more or less like an massively overweight club bouncer at this point, if I shaved my head the look would be complete.
On the pro side, people don't try to start fights with me (I think because if I sat on them that would end the fight). On the con side, I don't think I'll be appearing in GQ any time soon.
When I started college, I was thin - 165 lbs. I looked pretty good, but I hadn't built up any muscle at all. Around 2006, I weighed about 260 lbs or so. The doctor pretty much told me that if I didn't lose weight, I was going to get type 2 diabetes. So I joined a gym, but didn't know what the heck I was doing. So, I hired a trainer back then and did the gym thing for about 6 months, but school got in the way. I had built up a little bit of strength, but hadn't lost hardly any weight. Then in mid 2007 when I weighed in at over 300 lbs, I realized I had to do something. So I started doing bike rides and that's when I got into bicycling really. However, I wasn't really dieting, so I continued to gain weight. I made a new years resolution to lose weight as well as get "ripped" and went and saw a nutritionist in early January. That's when I weighed in at 325 lbs. The doctors had maxed out the meds they could give me to keep me from getting type 2 diabetes.... so I knew I had to get cracking ASAP. Quite literally, my primary focus since then has been getting in shape. That's pretty much what I've been spending all of my time doing since then.
I start a new internship with a large government law office soon (don't want to name which one so they don't find out that I am a firearms enthusiast). However, I only plan to do 20 hours a week and will spend the rest of my time working out. Other than that, putting together law school apps for this second round of applications is the only other thing I'm doing, and that only started 5 days ago when they started going online.
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Post by: roo_ster on August 06, 2008, 03:15:33 PM
I lifted for power, mostly, and loved squats, deads, bench, power cleans, etc. I hope to get back at it after the kids are in school and I can reclaim some of my time.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 06, 2008, 04:39:14 PM
I've never done any weightlifting or strength training. I should probably start, I have the exact opposite body type from Cheese. I'm 6'3", 150 pounds, built like a flagpole. No fat, but no muscle either. Problem is, I absolutely hate gyms. If I'm going to exercise and sweat, I want to do it outside in the clean air, in the open.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 04:43:35 PM
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Problem is, I absolutely hate gyms.
same. I've built a gym in the garage, and am trying to transition over to using it with the same trainer. There's some things I can't do at home though, like incline leg press, etc.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 06, 2008, 04:46:48 PM
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Problem is, I absolutely hate gyms.
same. I've built a gym in the garage, and am trying to transition over to using it with the same trainer. There's some things I can't do at home though, like incline leg press, etc.
Post by: Ben on August 06, 2008, 05:18:04 PM
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What's it take to build a usable gym in one's garage?
Willpower. I've tried avoiding the gym by working out at home, but truthfully, the gym motivates me to do gym types of exercises more often and more intensively than I've ever done at home. I'll choose running at the beach over running on the treadmill, but Ican't get into weightlifting in my living room. Don't know whether it's for showing off for the girls or because I had to make the effort to actually go to a place, but I definitely get more motivated at the gym.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 06, 2008, 05:44:00 PM
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That's an idea. What's it take to build a usable gym in one's garage?
It wasn't terribly expensive. I bought two Reebok benches at Target. One is adjustable with brackets for a 6' or 7' bar. The other is an adjustable bench with no brackets for if you're using dumbells. Also, I got a Reebok Stayball from Target as well to use as a stability ball, some Pro"something" brand mats that piece together like a puzzle to form a nice 7'x7' or so padded space for doing stuff lying down or for pushups. Also, I got some thick rubber bands with handles (supposedly rated at 20 lbs each) at a fitness store and you can use more than one together to make it heavier. I'll use them for some back exercises. I got solid bars from the fitness store in 6' and 7' straight, as well as a solid curved bar, and a solid skull-crusher type bar from Sports Authority. I got 2 racks for plates from Target and 10x 25 lbs plates, 14x 10 lbs plates, and then something like 20 each of the 5lbs plates and 2.5 lb plates. I got a dumbell rack from Target also by Reebok and all of their solid dumbells from 5lbs - 25 lbs (I mainly only use the 25 lb one from the rack, but bought the others for my family to use). Mainly for dumbells I use adjustable dumbells (also from Target) and then put plates on them. They're threaded so you just screw the caps on after the plates. I got 2 sets of those so I can leave them set up in two different weights. Pretty much everything minus the bars was from Target actually. They sell bars at Target, but I don't trust them because they're two halves of a bar that fit together and are held together by 2 aluminum pins. That just seemed like a safety issue.
This setup is good for a lot of stuff, but I can't do much on my legs in the way of weight, so I figure to keep up the leg strength, I'll do as much as I can at home once I transition over, but will probably buy a day pass every other week just for legs so I can use the machines and go heavy.
I think all of the equipment cost about a total of $1,500 or so. The whole thing maybe took a weekend to put together as the benches and racks all come in pieces and you have to assemble them.
For cardio - I hate treadmills. I figure if I'm walking, I should go somewhere. So I mainly use a bicycle or kayak for cardio, and the trainer wants me to get a 100 lb punching bag to add so I'll probably do that this weekend. I've already given the gym my notice, so I should transition over entirely by the end of this month with the exception of going maybe 2-3 times a month for going heavy on my legs. Oh, and I'll go walking with an Ipod too.
Also, the Target Reebok stuff has pros and cons. The pros are that the benches are rated for taking the most weight out of any of the benches I saw in the retail stores with the exception of one at a fitness store that was $1k. The cons are that they don't adjust to all the way straight up but do everything else. Also, a con is that the plates come in 25 lbs max, but that's not a big deal since you can just put a bunch on. I don't know why I really got the 5 lb and 2.5 lbs weights other than I just figured it couldn't hurt to have them on hand. I got a lot of plates though so I could leave some stuff set up. Oh, and a nice feature of the plates is that they have handles, which is good if you want to do ab crunches with a plate or two on your chest. You can hold on to them more easily than standard plates. Lastly, one last nice feature of the Reebok stuff is that it's all rubber coated around the rims of the dumbells and plates, so no loud sounds when you put them down (good if you want to work out late at night and don't want to wake anybody in the house up).
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 06, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
It wasn't terribly expensive.
I think all of the equipment cost about a total of $1,500 or so.
I think you and I have different understandings of "not very expensive".
Post by: GigaBuist on August 06, 2008, 06:30:41 PM
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At first I thought I was going to pass-out, then I felt chills, then I started trembling, and then I vomited about 6 times over the course of a minute. Then 45 seconds later, I felt fine.
If you were feeling fine 45 seconds later, I'd say you haven't hit "the limit" yet.
About 12 years back I was in a locker room for a wrestling weigh in. I had about 7 or 8% bodyfat at the time and was going from 134lbs to 125lbs. I did that for a couple of weeks without any real problem.
Then one Friday a buddy is checking my weight on the scale. I've got my glasses off so I can't read the numbers. He tells me I have a quarter pound to go. I slide off the scale and sit on the locker room floor putting my drawers, sweatpants, t-shirt, etc back on. I didn't even manage to get dressed.
I fell over on my side; didn't really say anything I guess. Somebody did a "WTF dude?!" and I just said I was tired and needed to take a rest. Older guys on the team ran like hell out of the room to get Coach.
Coach gets there, probably within 30-60 seconds, and I'm curled up in a ball. Every major muscle in my body is cramped up. Knees are at my chest, hands look like bird beaks, and my speech is so slurred I sound like a drunken mongoloid.
Coach has a few guys toss me up on a table and sit me upright, tells somebody else to get some water. The dude that weighed me earlier pipes up, "No! Throw him on the scale! I was just f-king with him, he made weight!" Dick. We're still friends, BTW.
Anyway, Coach nixes that idea right away. He's pulling my arms down and spreading my fingers apart and then telling me to hold onto my knees. Didn't work. I couldn't keep my hands from turning into bird beaks. Plus I was pretty incoherent. He kept asking me how I felt and I kept saying, "I'm just tired. It's like at the end of a race." We started getting some water in me, and I had some food I planned to eat after the weigh in handy too. I shoved 5lbs of food and water, mostly water, down my throat in the next 30 minutes.
If there's a level of exhaustion beyond that, I don't want to go there. That was scary enough.
Post by: roo_ster on August 07, 2008, 02:12:02 AM
Also, competing with the roid monsters whilst not partaking myslef is amusing.
Post by: El Tejon on August 07, 2008, 03:30:57 AM
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That's an idea. What's it take to build a usable gym in one's garage?
HTG, I built a gym/kwoon in my basement. The only expensive stuff I have is a 150lb Everlast heavy bag and my mook jong (built by Geoff Anderson at Decker's furniture on Old Romney Road). You can get used weights at Play It Again Sports very cheap. But I have sand jars and phone books and goofy stuff like that. The celing is high enough that I can jump rope and there is plenty of space for stretching and some forms (well, I can't do my Long Fist stuff, but I can do the Wing Chun stuff and some mantis stuff).
Smigel from TWCA has a very cool set up at his place in Foxwood Estates (by I-65 in that deep ravine). I work out there every Tuesday and Thursday after yoga. There is a sublime joy about working out in the garage. Takes me back to being 14.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 07, 2008, 04:34:27 AM
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Also, competing with the roid monsters whilst not partaking myslef is amusing.
Those guys are nuts. I've gotten to the point from just observing often where I can pretty much identify who is dosing and who is not.
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I think you and I have different understandings of "not very expensive".
Oh.... whoops.. sorry about that. I'd bet you could do it all for less than that with different equipment. Those all-in-one cable-machine gyms can be reasonably had at fitness stores or Sports Authority, they just don't go up too high in weight.
I considered 1,500 or so to be not that bad because that's more or less the cost of an LMT AR-15 build with rails and accessories.
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Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 07, 2008, 03:42:01 PM
I only did the vomit thing back when I ran the 800 in HS. I do get cool shakes in my left arm from residual nerve damage though. I think it's amazing I have a left arm at all, much less still lifting. Pretty sweet scar and story behind that one.
Feel free to share if you'd like. I'm sure I'm not the only one intrigued.
If you don't want to - that's ok though and totally understandable.