Post by: seeker_two on August 06, 2008, 05:33:51 PM
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26 teen cheerleaders rescued after cramming into an elevator at the University of Texas
Associated Press
Last update: August 6, 2008 - 3:26 PM
AUSTIN, Texas - How many cheerleaders can cram into an elevator? Apparently not 26. A group of teenage girls attending a cheerleading camp on the University of Texas got stuck and had to be rescued after trying to squeeze into an elevator at a residence hall Tuesday night.
One girl fainted and was treated at a hospital and released. Two others were treated at the scene.
The elevator doors refused to open after the pack of 14- to 17-year-olds descended from the fourth to the first floor, police said. Responding to a few panicked cell phone calls from the group, police and firefighters summoned an elevator repairman, who spent about 25 minutes extricating them.
Campus officials weren't amused.
"It's dangerous, actually," said a school police spokeswoman, Rhonda Weldon. "They're lucky that that's all that happened."
Associated Press
Last update: August 6, 2008 - 3:26 PM
AUSTIN, Texas - How many cheerleaders can cram into an elevator? Apparently not 26. A group of teenage girls attending a cheerleading camp on the University of Texas got stuck and had to be rescued after trying to squeeze into an elevator at a residence hall Tuesday night.
One girl fainted and was treated at a hospital and released. Two others were treated at the scene.
The elevator doors refused to open after the pack of 14- to 17-year-olds descended from the fourth to the first floor, police said. Responding to a few panicked cell phone calls from the group, police and firefighters summoned an elevator repairman, who spent about 25 minutes extricating them.
Campus officials weren't amused.
"It's dangerous, actually," said a school police spokeswoman, Rhonda Weldon. "They're lucky that that's all that happened."
I now believe all stereotypes are justified....
Post by: Bigjake on August 06, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 06, 2008, 06:15:57 PM
it never happened.
Post by: BridgeRunner on August 06, 2008, 06:18:28 PM
Of course the downside was no athletics.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 06, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
Oh, the joys of Orthodox Jewish all-girls schooling. No cheerleaders.
Of course the downside was no athletics.
Of course the downside was no athletics.
one in the same, since cheerleading is now considered a sport.
Post by: freakazoid on August 06, 2008, 06:29:27 PM
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 06, 2008, 06:34:55 PM
Was this one of those things where they try to see how many people they can cram into something, or where they just dumb and lazy that they couldn't wait for the next elevator?
more like their inability to move somewhere without being in a pack.
Post by: Boomhauer on August 06, 2008, 06:44:30 PM
Oh, the joys of Orthodox Jewish all-girls schooling. No cheerleaders.
Of course the downside was no athletics.
Of course the downside was no athletics.
You act like that's a loss
At your typical publik skool, football is the only thing that matters. What about academics, you say? How DARE you suggest that academics are more important than the all important football and basketball teams...
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my only potential amusement during forced attendance at prep (yeah thats what i call it) rallys and football games (thank god i quit band) was watching and waiting for the cheerleaders to drop somebody.
We were forced to attend those damned pep rallys back in middle and high school. I couldn't stand them...
Post by: freakazoid on August 06, 2008, 06:52:22 PM
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We were forced to attend those damned pep rallys back in middle and high school. I couldn't stand them...
Man those where annoying.
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on August 06, 2008, 07:18:55 PM
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We were forced to attend those damned pep rallys back in middle and high school. I couldn't stand them...
Man those where annoying.
we would sneak down to the red hall (aka freashman territory) and slip out to the parking lot my junior year. then i found out that the german teacher would give out passes to leave to anyone that asked. thats about the same time i stopped attending those damn things.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 06, 2008, 08:32:51 PM
I don't believe the news story, though. You know they just reprinted some fake letter from Penthouse magazine. "I am an elevator repairman, and one night..."
Post by: roo_ster on August 07, 2008, 02:15:19 AM
Oh, come on. Pep rallies were a great opportunity to feel superior to the all the tools that had "school spirit."
Heh.
Post by: Wang on August 07, 2008, 02:23:16 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 07, 2008, 04:37:19 AM
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Oh, the joys of Orthodox Jewish all-girls schooling. No cheerleaders.
Where'd you go? Cardozo law at Yeshiva University in NYC?
Post by: coppertales on August 07, 2008, 07:39:45 AM
Post by: BridgeRunner on August 07, 2008, 07:51:48 AM
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Oh, the joys of Orthodox Jewish all-girls schooling. No cheerleaders.
Where'd you go? Cardozo law at Yeshiva University in NYC?
I was referring to high school. Bais Yaakov Detroit. I went secular for schooling after a year in Israel at Darchai Binah in Ramat Sharet. Where I come from, YU is unacceptable anyway: not orthodox enough.
Post by: BridgeRunner on August 07, 2008, 07:53:11 AM
Plus, all the air under the blonder probably lowers the total weight significantly.
Post by: crt360 on August 07, 2008, 02:21:13 PM
The funny thing is that at an average weight of 110 pounds, twenty-six cheerleaders wouldn't come even remotely close to the load limit on most elevators.
Plus, all the air under the blonder probably lowers the total weight significantly.
Plus, all the air under the blonder probably lowers the total weight significantly.
I'm sure they'd appreciate the low average weight you attribute to them, but as someone who still attends a few high school games here in Texas each fall, I would guess that it is significantly higher.
Either being large has become cheerleaderly acceptable or they are no longer allowed to exclude based on weight.
Even worse are the dance teams that jump around with the band at half time. Some of the girls out there now are bigger around (well beyond hefty) than any of my classmates were.
As for load limits, I don't recall what it is for the elevators in Jester, but on the ones I ride to my office it's only 2500lb.
At the risk of making myself the outcast of this thread, I did play football in school, and I was friends with most of the cheerleaders. Honestly, none of them fit the stereotype.
Post by: Balog on August 07, 2008, 03:40:53 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 07, 2008, 03:47:56 PM
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YU is unacceptable anyway: not orthodox enough.
Whoa. I assume you came from an ultra-orthodox family?
My family and I are reform.
btw - is it true that most Orthodox Jews hate Reform Jews? My brother told me that. Supposedly some girl he liked - liked him too, but she was told that associating with reform Jews was forbidden. He told me that his understanding was that some ultra-orthodox Jews view reform Jews as being worse than Christians. Some of them supposedly think that Christians are lost on their path, while Reform Jews know the path, but choose not to take it.
I've never been able to verify if that was utter rubbish or not. If it is true, it seems to be as equally intolerant as neo-nazi types.
Just curious.
Post by: BridgeRunner on August 07, 2008, 04:25:46 PM
Whoa. I assume you came from an ultra-orthodox family?
Well, they don't think they are ultra- anything, but yeah, I guess you could say that. My family was fairly liberal for the community though. We had a tv that we watched once or twice a week, and my brothers were in scouts.
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btw - is it true that most Orthodox Jews hate Reform Jews? My brother told me that. Supposedly some girl he liked - liked him too, but she was told that associating with reform Jews was forbidden. He told me that his understanding was that some ultra-orthodox Jews view reform Jews as being worse than Christians. Some of them supposedly think that Christians are lost on their path, while Reform Jews know the path, but choose not to take it.
Yes and no. Orthodox Judaism does not, in general, make hate a part of its agenda. Most hate Hamas with a passion, but that's about it. However, they do strongly discourage mixing with outsiders at all, particularly the young people and the young women most of all. Youth groups like NCSY that encourage mixing Jews of varying levels of observance, even when it's for educational reasons, are looked askance at. Sort of "I'm sure they do a lot of good, but not in MY shul/school/home."
There is a concept in halacha of the "captive infant"--a Jew who has been raised from infancy in ignorance of the right path. Reform and Conservative Jews usually fit that category and they are granted broad latitude in the law. It is required to treat them with respect and kindness. The trouble is that irl this often result in simple condescension and a very patronizing attitude. There is also the wide and often correct perception that Reform/Conservative Jews are politically liberal and the vast majority of "yeshivish/chassidish" (aka ultra-Orthodox) are politically conservative. This does not contribute to mutual respect and understanding.
In fact, even I am rarely treated with outright hostility, and I do "know better". That is the status of one who has "negated the essentials"--that is, has been properly educated in the frum community but openly rejects it and chooses something completely counter to it with a full intellectual understanding of what he or she is doing. This status is pretty bad in halacha, and so the halachic work-around there is that most people who do such things are crazy and therefore still not responsible for their actions--just like the "captive infants". So, according to my former community, I am insane. This is a (rather dubious) kindness, because it allows them to not treat me like a complete pariah, but merely be distant in various ways, and give me no material support of any kind. The walls are high and thick, but they are allowed to see me from time to time.
So, no, isn't true that frum Jews hate non-frum Jews. It is true that they tend to have a very hard time getting along with them socially and in most instances don't want to, and that they regard non-frum Jews as a threat to the integrity of their community. The old Yiddish word for non-frum Jews was "frei". Non-frum Jews *are* much freer to do as they wish, and frum Jews don't want themselves or their kids subjected to those temptations.
And now back to your regularly scheduled cheerleaders-in-elevators thread.
I've known three personally. One is pretty cool; the other two fit every stereotype, plus extra heavy on the bitchiness.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 07, 2008, 07:16:49 PM
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He told me that his understanding was that some ultra-orthodox Jews view reform Jews as being worse than Christians.
Trust me. There is nothing worse than us Christians.
Post by: De Selby on August 07, 2008, 07:33:22 PM
In fact, even I am rarely treated with outright hostility, and I do "know better". That is the status of one who has "negated the essentials"--that is, has been properly educated in the frum community but openly rejects it and chooses something completely counter to it with a full intellectual understanding of what he or she is doing. This status is pretty bad in halacha, and so the halachic work-around there is that most people who do such things are crazy and therefore still not responsible for their actions--just like the "captive infants". So, according to my former community, I am insane. This is a (rather dubious) kindness, because it allows them to not treat me like a complete pariah, but merely be distant in various ways, and give me no material support of any kind. The walls are high and thick, but they are allowed to see me from time to time.
That's interesting-it's basically identical to the strict Islamic interpretation of apostates. This reasoning is exactly the same as that used by the court that declared the Afghan convert to Christianity insane. It's pretty standard in Islamic history and law-I wonder if there's any actual relationship between the two methods of dealing with conversion away from the religion, or if it's just coincidental.
Post by: seeker_two on August 08, 2008, 01:24:39 AM
Hey, the cheerleader from Heros is awesome.....
Yeah....but she's smart, likable, and cares about others....clearly a work of fiction....
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 08, 2008, 01:28:10 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 08, 2008, 03:35:28 AM
Then there were a bunch that I met in passing, and some were in clubs and/or professional fraternities with me. They all seemed nice and relatively intelligent. It was only in high school that the cheerleaders were mind-numbingly stupid.
Post by: roo_ster on August 08, 2008, 05:05:20 AM
Our cheerleaders were of average to above-average intelligence. (And not just relative to the cheerleader stereotype.) That is to be expected given the general student population. Even the most apparently ditzy cheerleader was no knucklehead. Form my observations, she was a very nice girl who went the extra mile & laid it on extra-thick for effect.
I would rate the captain of the squad to be particularly astute, considering she managed a scholarship to her preferred state school, had several college prep classes with me and (most importantly) wanted to date me senior year.
