Post by: AmbulanceDriver on August 08, 2008, 06:25:14 AM
Then this morning for kicks and giggles I went onto MidwayUSA to check what kind of aftermarket stuff they had available.
YE FLIPPING GODS!!!!!!!!
I mean, yeah, I knew there was a lot of stuff, but holy crap!
Apparently, a rebarrel of this rifle is almost as easy as a magazine change and doesn't take much longer... Need a new bolt? Drop in. Heck, if you can buy a bare finished receiver, you can buy the rest of the gun at Midway and make it a completely custom beastie!!!!
Post by: esheato on August 08, 2008, 06:27:29 AM
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Apparently, a rebarrel of this rifle is almost as easy as a magazine change and doesn't take much longer.
It really is that easy.
Be careful though...the 10/22 money pit is very deep my friend.
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 08, 2008, 06:30:01 AM
Post by: 41magsnub on August 08, 2008, 06:35:02 AM
Then I am going to decide if I want a better barrel or not. Then.. maybe some trigger work.. fancy extractor, possibly a stock. Dear god somebody stop me.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 08, 2008, 06:39:57 AM
Post by: wmenorr67 on August 08, 2008, 06:42:17 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on August 08, 2008, 06:52:13 AM
It's a tackdriver though.
Chris
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 08, 2008, 07:58:10 AM
I plan to get another one at some point as I have to imagine the last one was just a fluke.
Also, by not very accurate, I mean really really inaccurate and was not consistently shooting to the same point at all.
Post by: HankB on August 08, 2008, 08:08:06 AM
* Purchased in the early '80s for $93
* Volquartsen hammer brought trigger pull down to 2 1/4 lbs, but with some creep. Also added a VQ bolt release. (Both from MidwayUSA)
* Volquartsen THM carbon-fiber wrapped barrel (Sale at MidwayUSA)
* Richards Microfit "Tac-Driver" stock, finished with pure tung oil
* Zebrawood buttplate
* Pillar bedded & glass bedded
* Polished bolt and recoil spring guide
Did all the work myself - finished & final inletted the stock, bedding, made a pillar, fitted the buttplate, installed barrel and hammer . . . if I were starting all over I might do a few things a little differently, but it's not bad for a first build.
Function is perfect, and with Fiocchi match ammo, it will put 10 rounds into less than 1/2" at 100 yards. Looking forward to trying Eley and Lapua ammo.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 08, 2008, 08:18:41 AM
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Apparently, a rebarrel of this rifle is almost as easy as a magazine change and doesn't take much longer.
Don't worry. Removing the magazine is tricky at first, but after a little practice, you will be able to do it in less than an hour.
Post by: Gewehr98 on August 08, 2008, 08:51:10 AM
Accuracy can be wonderful, as seen in this one target while playing with yet another variety of ammo:
Post by: crt360 on August 08, 2008, 02:27:52 PM
Post by: Boomhauer on August 08, 2008, 02:41:27 PM
10/22s are great. I had a nice little stainless that was obviously too light and fun to shoot (except for the stock trigger), so I turned it into a heavy, squirrel-sniping beast. I've been trying to decide whether to build another smaller, lighter one or just get a Browning.
You want light? Look into a 10/22 with a Tactical Solutions barrel and a lightweight synthetic stock (like a Corelight). Extremely lightweight, even lighter than a stock 10/22 carbine. That's going to be my next 10/22 purchase...my dealer has one. I'm going to get one with a threaded barrel for later use as a nice suppressor host.
I've already got a Walmart Special 10/22 (full size stock and 22 inch SS barrel).
Get a Butler Creek magazine loader...it actually works quite well, and prevents sore thumbs. For high cap mags, Tactical Innovations mags are best (polymer and aluminum versions available, can be disassembled for cleaning). Next best are Butler Creek steel lips and hot lips mags, but they cannot be taken apart for cleaning. Avoid Ramline magazines, they are junk, as are the Promag drums...
Welcome to the 10/22 jungle, Ambulance Driver. It's a hell of a lot of fun. You should look into TechSIGHTs if you want irons, or maybe get a reddot scope for fun plinking. Have fun, and remember, you can do all of the work yourself without a problem. It's extremely easy. Get thee over to RimfireCentral.com for the poop on the 10/22.
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on August 09, 2008, 04:09:40 AM
I took it to the range yesterday... I slapped a Bushnell 3x9 on there for the Appleseed shoot I'm going to today, and had to sight it in, of course... Slightly larger than MOA groups, but that was with CCI mini-mags and the fact that the scope doesn't really like to focus down at 25yds...
If I do everything right though, it's an accurate little bugger... More accurate than I am at least...And yeah. I have a feeling I'm gonna frankengun this thing... There's just too much fun stuff for it.
Couple of real positives though, the trigger is *very* good for a basic carbine. A little heavy, but the break is crisp with no creep whatsoever. Fed 100 rounds flawlessly, from slow measured fire to rippling off 10 rounds as fast as I could (just because). I'll have to post a range report after the Appleseed shoot this weekend....
Post by: seeker_two on August 09, 2008, 05:04:53 AM
Nonononono!!! You all are supposed to be telling me how hard it really is, that the rebarrel isn't just two allen screws but you need to make sure to have a sacrificial goat and/or virgin to make sure everything aligns correctly....
No.....but you do have to do those things to reassemble a Mk II pistol....
Post by: 41magsnub on August 09, 2008, 05:55:08 AM
Nonononono!!! You all are supposed to be telling me how hard it really is, that the rebarrel isn't just two allen screws but you need to make sure to have a sacrificial goat and/or virgin to make sure everything aligns correctly....
I took it to the range yesterday... I slapped a Bushnell 3x9 on there for the Appleseed shoot I'm going to today, and had to sight it in, of course... Slightly larger than MOA groups, but that was with CCI mini-mags and the fact that the scope doesn't really like to focus down at 25yds... If I do everything right though, it's an accurate little bugger... More accurate than I am at least...
And yeah. I have a feeling I'm gonna frankengun this thing... There's just too much fun stuff for it.
Couple of real positives though, the trigger is *very* good for a basic carbine. A little heavy, but the break is crisp with no creep whatsoever. Fed 100 rounds flawlessly, from slow measured fire to rippling off 10 rounds as fast as I could (just because). I'll have to post a range report after the Appleseed shoot this weekend....
I took it to the range yesterday... I slapped a Bushnell 3x9 on there for the Appleseed shoot I'm going to today, and had to sight it in, of course... Slightly larger than MOA groups, but that was with CCI mini-mags and the fact that the scope doesn't really like to focus down at 25yds...
If I do everything right though, it's an accurate little bugger... More accurate than I am at least...And yeah. I have a feeling I'm gonna frankengun this thing... There's just too much fun stuff for it.
Couple of real positives though, the trigger is *very* good for a basic carbine. A little heavy, but the break is crisp with no creep whatsoever. Fed 100 rounds flawlessly, from slow measured fire to rippling off 10 rounds as fast as I could (just because). I'll have to post a range report after the Appleseed shoot this weekend....
Funny thing.. at 25 yards most rimfire scopes have a parallax issue per the appleseed forums.
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 09, 2008, 06:09:10 AM
Nonononono!!! You all are supposed to be telling me how hard it really is, that the rebarrel isn't just two allen screws but you need to make sure to have a sacrificial goat and/or virgin to make sure everything aligns correctly....
Don't even try it, bub. My wife is a good shoot with
I taught her to shoot it about four or five years ago, back when we were dating. A couple of weeks ago, she asked if it could be her's, now.
Post by: mtnbkr on August 09, 2008, 06:36:57 AM
Nonononono!!! You all are supposed to be telling me how hard it really is, that the rebarrel isn't just two allen screws but you need to make sure to have a sacrificial goat and/or virgin to make sure everything aligns correctly....
I took it to the range yesterday... I slapped a Bushnell 3x9 on there for the Appleseed shoot I'm going to today, and had to sight it in, of course... Slightly larger than MOA groups, but that was with CCI mini-mags and the fact that the scope doesn't really like to focus down at 25yds... If I do everything right though, it's an accurate little bugger... More accurate than I am at least...
And yeah. I have a feeling I'm gonna frankengun this thing... There's just too much fun stuff for it.
Couple of real positives though, the trigger is *very* good for a basic carbine. A little heavy, but the break is crisp with no creep whatsoever. Fed 100 rounds flawlessly, from slow measured fire to rippling off 10 rounds as fast as I could (just because). I'll have to post a range report after the Appleseed shoot this weekend....
I took it to the range yesterday... I slapped a Bushnell 3x9 on there for the Appleseed shoot I'm going to today, and had to sight it in, of course... Slightly larger than MOA groups, but that was with CCI mini-mags and the fact that the scope doesn't really like to focus down at 25yds...
If I do everything right though, it's an accurate little bugger... More accurate than I am at least...And yeah. I have a feeling I'm gonna frankengun this thing... There's just too much fun stuff for it.
Couple of real positives though, the trigger is *very* good for a basic carbine. A little heavy, but the break is crisp with no creep whatsoever. Fed 100 rounds flawlessly, from slow measured fire to rippling off 10 rounds as fast as I could (just because). I'll have to post a range report after the Appleseed shoot this weekend....
Funny thing.. at 25 yards most rimfire scopes have a parallax issue per the appleseed forums.
I use an airgun scope on mine. they're made for short range shooting and have parallax adjustments.
Chris
Post by: mtnbkr on August 09, 2008, 07:18:52 AM
It is a factory 10/22 with the following mod:
Green MTN 18" stainless fluted barrel. This was a "second" because it was machined at .910 instead .920. Bore is perfect and I paid all of $35 shipped from the factory
Urethane bolt buffer
Modfied Bolt: pinned firing pin, radiused rear (easier to recock hammer, better for low power rounds), jeweled side, headspaced
Mag release extension
Volquartsen hammer
Volquartsen extractor
homebrewed overtravel stop
Silhouette stock
Bushnell airgun scope with target turrets and parallax adjustment
I haven't done much shooting at 100yds other than plinking, but it'll shoot 10 round ragged one hole groups like Gewehr's gun at 50yds with bulk pack ammo (Winchester Dynapoints). I've gone 1000rnds without a jam or other problem, even in rapid fire.
My only complaint is it's a bit heavy for field use. One day I may send the barrel to a gunsmith and have it dovetailed for iron sights.
Chris
Post by: AmbulanceDriver on August 11, 2008, 04:49:51 AM
So after shooting only 100 rounds through this rifle, I went to an Appleseed shoot this weekend. On day one, towards the end of the day, I started having some occasional malfunctions, mostly with failure to eject. Was getting a bit frustrated, but finished the day. Ammo is an issue for this rifle. If it doesn't like the particular brand of ammo, it will still fire, but accuracy is definitely ammo-dependent. Speaking to some of the guys at the shoot (including one that had the same rifle as I did) I found a brand of ammo that this rifle *really* likes. Cut the group size roughly in half, if not better. CCI Velocitors. However, they are kinda spendy, 5/50. That night, I found out the reason for the FTEj's I was having. This particular line of 10/22's has a (painted? powdercoated?) finish instead of being truly blued. Well, that treatment includes the receiver. Combine that with a LOT of dust getting in the action, and there's the failure rate going up. After giving the rifle a very thorough cleaning, I took some 0000 steel wool to the inside of the receiver and removed some of that coating that had been applied. Some had actually already rubbed off, and combined with the dust and oil, made a gnarly mess inside the receiver.
Day 2. New ammo, no paint in the receiver, and that little rifle was good enough to qualify Rifleman on the AQT for the Appleseed shoot. Started having a problem with feeding towards the end of the day, but that was again a dust issue. I expect that clean, it will go right back to perfectly reliable functioning.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 11, 2008, 04:54:24 AM
Nonononono!!! You all are supposed to be telling me how hard it really is, that the rebarrel isn't just two allen screws but you need to make sure to have a sacrificial goat and/or virgin to make sure everything aligns correctly....
No.....but you do have to do those things to reassemble a Mk II pistol....
You also need to shout a bunch of magic words, and the magic words can't be used when children are present.
Post by: mtnbkr on August 11, 2008, 04:56:12 AM
While it's apart, also try a urethane bolt buffer. It'll cut down on the noise and reduce the shock to the gun, especially when firing stuff like the Velocitors. They're cheap too, something like $5, give or take.
Also, give it time to break in.
BTW, all 10/22s are painted/powdercoated. The receiver is aluminum. I think the silver ones are merely clearcoated though.
Chris
Post by: Balog on August 11, 2008, 05:42:45 AM
Post by: mtnbkr on August 11, 2008, 06:13:31 AM
Chris: how did you order that "factory second" barrel? Does Green Mountain (and other barrel makers for that matter) sell them direct to the public?
It was a fluke. GM is active (or was, this was a couple years ago) on Rimfirecentral. They posted the barrel deal and had folks call them. It isn't something they offer on their website and I don't know that it happens all that often.
Other than it not having any markings, you can't tell it's a "2nd". They said the exterior diameter was undersized, but you can't tell unless you measure with a micrometer.
Chris