Post by: roo_ster on August 11, 2008, 10:41:20 AM
2. I wonder what the average sentence is for a similar act vs a human?
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/080908dnmetpuppydeath.298abf5a.html
Irving man gets 3 years in prison for throwing puppy down stairs
01:58 PM CDT on Monday, August 11, 2008
By DAN X. McGRAW / The Dallas Morning News
dmcgraw@dallasnews.com
A 24-year-old Irving man this morning admitted in court to throwing his pit bull puppy down two flights of stairs.
Witnesses said Annie, a 4-month-old puppy, was thrown down two flights of stairs. She later died.
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Under a plea agreement, Michael Charles Soto will receive a three-year prison sentence for the crime.
Mr. Soto was arrested in August 2007 after witnesses said they saw him kick Annie, his 4-month-old puppy, several times and then throw the dog down two flights of stairs.
He then tossed the dog into a nearby Dumpster, said Lt. Richard Gilmette, an Irving police spokesman.
The puppy was taken to Irving Animal Services where she underwent hip surgery, but she died from complications two months later, said Jonnie England, director of animal advocacy for the Metroplex Animal Coalition.
Mr. Soto was charged with a felony animal cruelty charge that is punishable by two to 10 years in prison.
Staff writer Tiara Ellis contributed to this report.
She has/had the same look our sweet female German Shorthaired Pointer had at that age.
Remind me some time to tell you the story of another puppy I met & befriended in inner-city Little Rock.
Note to self: Give wife, kids & pooch big hugs this PM upon returning home.
Post by: HankB on August 11, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
Wonder what the average sentence is for harming a human being . . .
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 11, 2008, 11:24:52 AM
Post by: Azrael256 on August 11, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
Toss his worthless ass down a few flights of stairs, and call it even.
Three or four stories should do it.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 11, 2008, 12:01:33 PM
Post by: seeker_two on August 11, 2008, 12:04:19 PM
Post by: gunsmith on August 11, 2008, 01:05:33 PM
Though I'm sure many people who do the same to people would get less.
What bugs me is that a puppy cant run away or ask for help.
To bad he didn't get the max.
Post by: Boomhauer on August 11, 2008, 01:13:41 PM
That's the kind of person I
What pisses me off even more is that people stood around and WATCHED. Cause there were witnesses...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 11, 2008, 04:57:38 PM
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Around here, two worthless sons of bitches doused a female German Shepard puppy in gasoline and set her on fire. The dog survived the fire (I don't know if she recovered).
Do you live in South Florida? I seem to recall hearing a similar story down here.
Post by: Boomhauer on August 11, 2008, 05:04:56 PM
Post by: Antibubba on August 11, 2008, 06:53:12 PM
Pitbulls are about the sweetest dogs in the world, and there's a special place in Hell for the people who turn them into "maddawgs", because it takes more effort to change their nature than just about anything other living creature.Quote
ust as long as TDCJ lets all the inmates in General Population know that's what he's in for.....and that he likes fonding small children, too.....
There's no need for that. Killing a puppy will get him enough unwanted attention.
Post by: zahc on August 11, 2008, 07:39:17 PM
Post by: Sindawe on August 11, 2008, 07:55:41 PM
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Around here, two worthless sons of bitches doused a female German Shepard puppy in gasoline and set her on fire.
Here in Denver it was a cat that two louts set on fire and tossed out of a moving vehicle. The cat survived and was adopted into a loving home, but sadly the two 'youths' did little time.
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That's the kind of person I could would gut shot and leave to die without ANY regret. Or set them on fire.
Indeed.
Post by: LadySmith on August 12, 2008, 02:54:39 AM
2. I wonder what the average sentence is for a similar act vs a human?
About 10-16 years, based on a quick search and coming up with these guys:
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-nov1507-baby_thrown.6ab7ab6.html
Caldwell man admits throwing baby down stairs
10:50 AM MST on Thursday, November 15, 2007
Associated Press
Canyon County Jail
Miguel Rodriguez, 22, of Caldwell, has pleaded guilty to felony injury to a child.
CALDWELL -- A 22-year-old man has pleaded guilty in 3rd District Court to felony injury to a child for throwing his girlfriend's baby down the stairs.
Canyon county Chief Deputy Prosecutor Virginia Bond says Miguel Rodriguez faces up to 10 years in prison when he is sentenced in January.
The Caldwell man first told police that 6-month-old Oscar Tea was injured when he tripped while carrying the child.
But according to court records Rodriguez later confessed to throwing the baby down five stairs onto a concrete floor because he was angry with the child's mother.
http://www.winonadailynews.com/articles/2006/01/18/mn/0abuse.txt
Man admits to throwing daughter down flight of stairs
By Associated Press
RED WING, Minn. (AP) A 27-year-old man has agreed to spend more than 16 years in prison after admitting to nearly killing his 2-year-old daughter by throwing her down a flight of stairs.
Timothy Lee Staten, 27, pleaded guilty on Friday to one count of second-degree attempted murder. Other charges, including first-degree attempted murder, were dropped as part of the plea deal in Goodhue County District Court.
Red Wing police were responding to reports of a domestic disturbance last March when they witnessed Staten violently shaking the toddler.
When he was ordered to release the girl, Staten threw her down a flight of stairs toward the police officers, police said.
Staten said during court testimony that he did not dispute the information in the complaint. He also said he was under the influence of ecstasy at the time.
Post by: GigaBuist on August 12, 2008, 10:43:51 AM
I don't think what he did should be a crime at all, and it disgusts me both that he is in jail for damaging HIS dog, and that there is such a thing as 'felony animal cruelty'.
Such actions are considered a pretty good sign, by some, that they're likely to harm other human beings.
For that reason I'm OK with punishing animal cruelty like this.
Post by: taurusowner on August 12, 2008, 10:46:31 AM
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Such actions are considered a pretty good sign, by some, that they're likely to harm other human beings.
Strange, I didn't think our system was supposed to punish people based on signs of what they might do in the future.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 12, 2008, 11:03:46 AM
Post by: taurusowner on August 12, 2008, 11:15:34 AM
Post by: Racehorse on August 12, 2008, 11:18:29 AM
I don't think what he did should be a crime at all, and it disgusts me both that he is in jail for damaging HIS dog, and that there is such a thing as 'felony animal cruelty'.
While I don't equate animals with humans, I do believe that animals deserve to be treated kindly or at least humanely. I have no problem with punishing animal cruelty.
My dogs may be my property, but they're also living beings with feelings. Does the fact that I own them give me the right to abuse them? Not at all, in my opinion.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2008, 11:19:47 AM
Post by: Werewolf on August 12, 2008, 11:58:15 AM
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Such actions are considered a pretty good sign, by some, that they're likely to harm other human beings.
Strange, I didn't think our system was supposed to punish people based on signs of what they might do in the future.
Do you live in the same USA as the rest of us? Forget the numerous examples of malum prohibitum we could all come up with just think Gun Control and you'll realize the foolishness of what you stated above. If that eludes you just say so - I'm pretty sure someone will explain it to you.
Post by: seeker_two on August 12, 2008, 01:01:19 PM
That brings up an interesting question. Is a dog a person or a person's property? Does a dog itself have rights, or does the dog's owner have rights over the dog?
I have two dogs. They are my property. They are my companions. I place a lot of value on their lives. More than I place on most humans. You do harm to my dogs, you'll find out that their lives are worth more than yours.....
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 12, 2008, 01:19:20 PM
That brings up an interesting question. Is a dog a person or a person's property? Does a dog itself have rights, or does the dog's owner have rights over the dog?
I have two dogs. They are my property. They are my companions. I place a lot of value on their lives. More than I place on most humans. You do harm to my dogs, you'll find out that their lives are worth more than yours.....
The question is, do I have rights over my dog, or do the rights belong to the dog itself?
Does it matter what kind of animal it is? Do cats have different rights than dogs? Do zoo animals have the same rights as pets? Do livestock animals have the same rights as pets?
What if the animal were a
Post by: gunsmith on August 12, 2008, 02:33:26 PM
That brings up an interesting question. Is a dog a person or a person's property? Does a dog itself have rights, or does the dog's owner have rights over the dog?
I have two dogs. They are my property. They are my companions. I place a lot of value on their lives. More than I place on most humans. You do harm to my dogs, you'll find out that their lives are worth more than yours.....
The question is, do I have rights over my dog, or do the rights belong to the dog itself?
Does it matter what kind of animal it is? Do cats have different rights than dogs? Do zoo animals have the same rights as pets? Do livestock animals have the same rights as pets?
What if the animal were a
Hmmm, fascinating question.
imo cute puppies and friendly kittens have more rights then that neighbors dog that barked all night long.
Dogs that are my pals have armed protection
I believe that animals have inherent rights not to be tortured/abused.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 12, 2008, 03:58:36 PM
Post by: BobR on August 12, 2008, 04:14:45 PM
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KENNEWICK A Kennewick man shot and killed his neighbor's two pit bulls after they got into his chicken coop, then charged at him, police said.
"He was protecting his family and our livestock," Laura Chandia said of her husband's actions Monday. "It was the third time they were in our yard that day."
But Obadiah Soto, who lives next door in the 3400 block of South Auburn Street, said the pit bulls were just puppies and didn't need to be killed.
"They're babies. They're not even 6 months old yet," Soto said Tuesday. "They're harmless... There's a much better way of handling it than pulling out a gun and shooting a new neighbor's dogs."
Kennewick police were called to Chandia's home at 4:30 p.m., said Mike Blatman, Kennewick police's crime prevention specialist. One pit bull was found dead in the fenced area of the chicken coop and the other was in the fenced backyard, Blatman said.
"He was protecting his family and our livestock," Laura Chandia said of her husband's actions Monday. "It was the third time they were in our yard that day."
But Obadiah Soto, who lives next door in the 3400 block of South Auburn Street, said the pit bulls were just puppies and didn't need to be killed.
"They're babies. They're not even 6 months old yet," Soto said Tuesday. "They're harmless... There's a much better way of handling it than pulling out a gun and shooting a new neighbor's dogs."
Kennewick police were called to Chandia's home at 4:30 p.m., said Mike Blatman, Kennewick police's crime prevention specialist. One pit bull was found dead in the fenced area of the chicken coop and the other was in the fenced backyard, Blatman said.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004191738_webpitbulls20m.html?syndication=rss
It just struck me as odd that in one day I read two different stories regarding pit bulls where the human who owned them had the last name of Soto.
bob
Post by: seeker_two on August 12, 2008, 05:49:36 PM
That brings up an interesting question. Is a dog a person or a person's property? Does a dog itself have rights, or does the dog's owner have rights over the dog?
I have two dogs. They are my property. They are my companions. I place a lot of value on their lives. More than I place on most humans. You do harm to my dogs, you'll find out that their lives are worth more than yours.....
The question is, do I have rights over my dog, or do the rights belong to the dog itself?
Does it matter what kind of animal it is? Do cats have different rights than dogs? Do zoo animals have the same rights as pets? Do livestock animals have the same rights as pets?
What if the animal were a
Hmmm, fascinating question.
imo cute puppies and friendly kittens have more rights then that neighbors dog that barked all night long.
Dogs that are my pals have armed protection
I believe that animals have inherent rights not to be tortured/abused.
It's a matter of stewardship....we're entrusted with the care of our animals....misusing them is no different than misusing our guns (ND) or our cars (speeding) or our homes (Cherry Pit).....there are consequenses to our poor stewardship.....
Post by: Jamisjockey on August 12, 2008, 05:59:05 PM
Post by: Antibubba on August 12, 2008, 08:05:40 PM
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That brings up an interesting question. Is a dog a person or a person's property? Does a dog itself have rights, or does the dog's owner have rights over the dog?
Both. I can arbitrarily decide if the dog lives or dies. I have that right. The dog's rights, however, are such that the death I choose be as quick and painless as possible. Funny that I don't have the right to choose that for myself, or to stipulate that if the pain is too much the family can invite Dr. Kevorkian in.
seeker two said:
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It's a matter of stewardship....we're entrusted with the care of our animals....misusing them is no different than misusing our guns (ND) or our cars (speeding) or our homes (Cherry Pit).....there are consequenses to our poor stewardship.....
Exactly. Animals do not have the same rights as you or I, which is why a cow can be quickly slaughtered or a deer shot, for food. Were we to let the cow or deer get caught in a leg trap and suffer for days, on purpose, it would be an entirely different matter.
Post by: Leatherneck on August 13, 2008, 01:21:52 PM
But on an even higher plane, man is expected to be merciful, sentient, and responsible for his own actions. And even if you don't believe anybody's watching, we--most of us--have a personal standard of behavior. Thus derives our common idea that dogs "have the right to...."
The real rule is: "Man has a responsibility to...(treat dogs right)"
TC