Post by: agricola on August 18, 2008, 09:06:51 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2008/aug/18/johnmccain.uselections2008
Post by: Manedwolf on August 18, 2008, 09:09:12 AM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 18, 2008, 09:20:33 AM
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 18, 2008, 10:55:08 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on August 18, 2008, 11:03:22 AM
And yet Obama is leading. Imagine how much they'd whine if he were losing.
Not by much, he isn't. It's like someone running full out while McCain just paces leisurely, and they're not even a few paces ahead.
The lead is just about within the margin of error, even!
Post by: K Frame on August 18, 2008, 11:05:39 AM
The author is doing a LOT of whining...
Post by: Tallpine on August 18, 2008, 11:09:20 AM
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Most surprisingly of all to me, [McCain] has demonstrated over and over his lack of a grasp of, and in many cases even a passing interest in, the details of policy. Here is a man who's been a national legislator for a quarter-century. He has clearly been interested in a few things, mostly having to do with military and foreign policy, and to a certain extent energy policy. But there are dozens more realms with which responsible Solons ought to have acquainted themselves over 25 years. McCain seems to have glided through the Senate without even bothering to learn very much at all about fiscal and economic policy, healthcare, social policy (which is an umbrella rubric covering a dozen different things) and a lot of other topics. His campaign, and his partisans, accuse Obama of being a lightweight. But in truth, McCain is the policy lightweight.
Yeah, but McCain probably has a better guess about how many states there are in the USA
And he probably knows the difference between American voters and German voters 
Really, I think Obama would be very good as president - of the EU
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 18, 2008, 11:35:58 AM
And yet Obama is leading. Imagine how much they'd whine if he were losing.
I'm not convinced Obama is winning. The major pollsters all have it as a statistical tie, and one cannot discount the fact that polls consistently over-estimate the number of people who will vote for a black candidate by some 5% or 10%.It's also a good 3 months until the election. Polls at this point are pretty meaningless. There's absolutely no way to tell who's going to win at this point in time.
Post by: roo_ster on August 18, 2008, 11:45:43 AM
Pretty pathetic.
I saw a little of the Rick Warren shindig the other night. BHO would make a fine Graduate Student in Chief, whereas McCain would make a fair Commander in Chief.
Post by: Werewolf on August 18, 2008, 11:54:40 AM
What's surprising to me is that they take time to actually write their drivel. It's not like they get to vote in our elections.
Post by: Tallpine on August 18, 2008, 12:05:46 PM
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What's surprising to me is that they take time to actually write their drivel. It's not like they get to vote in our elections.
Tell Obama that
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 18, 2008, 12:12:50 PM
Really, I think Obama would be very good as president - of the EU
Post by: Manedwolf on August 18, 2008, 12:14:28 PM
Really, I think Obama would be very good as president - of the EU
Won't happen unless more people did what Ireland just did.
I hope, at least, that people in your country saw the EU reaction to the vote. "NO! Bad Ireland! You voted wrong! Do it again!"
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 18, 2008, 12:21:23 PM
Really, I think Obama would be very good as president - of the EU
Won't happen unless more people did what Ireland just did.
I hope, at least, that people in your country saw the EU reaction to the vote. "NO! Bad Ireland! You voted wrong! Do it again!"
. We need to fix THAT problem first . Also, I doubt our benign rulers will let us vote about it. We voted "wrong" (
) in regards to the Euro. Close call for a while though, what with a foreign minister who stupidly got herself stabbed to death by some psycho (she was quite high-profile, and went out shopping without a security detail, which I believe she had access too). I feared that the "Yes" side would get tons of sympathy votes because of that. Didn't happen, which I figure shows the people of my country still has some measure of intelligence and independent thought.
Post by: Werewolf on September 01, 2008, 06:03:46 AM
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Right now our biggest problem is immigration. Malmö (third largest city in the country) could very well be a suburb of Bagdad. Or Mogadishu. We need to fix THAT problem first.
Uhhhh....What?
No you di-in't...
Say that?
No way?
An enlightened Euro decrying immigration by a people that just want better lives for themselves? How un-EU of you. Why, why??? That brings tears to my eyes. What is happening to the world? We're all doomed I say...
Just kidding. Best of luck solving the problem. We in the USA may need some pointers along the same lines if you're successfull.
Post by: Standing Wolf on September 01, 2008, 06:21:18 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 01, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
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Right now our biggest problem is immigration. Malmö (third largest city in the country) could very well be a suburb of Bagdad. Or Mogadishu. We need to fix THAT problem first.
Uhhhh....What?
No you di-in't...
Say that?
No way?
An enlightened Euro decrying immigration by a people that just want better lives for themselves? How un-EU of you. Why, why??? That brings tears to my eyes. What is happening to the world? We're all doomed I say...
Just kidding. Best of luck solving the problem. We in the USA may need some pointers along the same lines if you're successfull.
So what's left for them other than living on welfare? And who'll provide them with welfare if they vote for them? The bloody Social Democrats that is! Win for all, except for us Swedes, but we don't count any more! Oh no, we are just to shut the *expletive deleted*ck up, pay our taxes to support the leeches, get robbed, beaten, raped and murdered in the name of multiculturalism and continued Social Democratic rule!
Next election might turn out good for us though. We have a party, while they are very much like old school social democrats, they also recognize that, you know, the obvious, we who live here don't want the *expletive deleted*ing multicultural mess that the other parties have gotten us into. They won't be big enough to form government themselves, but they'll basically sell their votes in parliament to whatever coalition that gives them what they want - complete stop on "refugee" immigration to begin with (All in all, at most only 10% of those given residency permits here are actual refugees. The rest...).
Large scale deportations would be nice, but I'm only wishing there.
Enlightened my ass. From your point of view compared to many other Europeans, sure. I'm in favor of unregulated gun ownership, small government, fewer taxes, fewer regulations etc. OTOH, I figure most of my countrymen consider me to be a psychotic fascist, and racist too!
Also, small light at the end of the tunnel! Last week a rather well known criminal who'd resided (never became a citizen, thank Odin!) in the country since 1985 got his residency permit revoked, after he fled back to Turkey to avoid what goes for justice here
. Now if we could only order to have him shot on sight if he shows his face here again, and everything would be perfect...
Post by: grampster on September 01, 2008, 08:36:39 AM
Post by: Regolith on September 01, 2008, 08:37:44 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 01, 2008, 09:57:22 AM
Tell ya what Viking: We send Barack Obama over there, and we give you citizenship here. Everyone wins.
I wouldn't want to wish that upon my country. I love it deeply, I just happen to hate the people in charge (both the current and most of the past). We'll see how everything turns out. Might be salvation for us yet 
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Post by: xavier fremboe on September 01, 2008, 10:05:52 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on September 01, 2008, 10:36:03 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 01, 2008, 11:31:00 AM
How did Sweden get from people who crossed the North Atlantic in storms in freaking OPEN BOATS...to this?
Good question. Social Democratic lust for eternal power is probably one reason. Take Palme for example, born into the upper class, saw that the social democrats were the easiest way to get power. Then things just happened one after another. The politicians realized that when the working class got more well off, they would be hesitant to vote leftist again.So like the vampire, they needed new blood to keep them alive. They got this through unchecked immigration of people who will probably never contribute anything to this society. Likewise with their children, who are probably chucking cobblestones at ambulances as we speak. They graduate, or atleast leave school without having learnt even the basics, and they speak an incomprehensible ghetto accent that will make them even more unemployable.
Voting cattle is a good term for it. We imported voting cattle, although officially it was because they were poor, persecuted refugees (10% at the most have actual refugee status). Voila, the new, exciting, multicultural Sweden came into existance in less than 3 decades. What would we ever do without multiculturalism? How would we ever survive without street gangs, 15-year olds robbing banks, gang rapes, brutal assaults, murders and an ever growing mass of idiots idolizing American hiphop/rap culture, with all the *expletive deleted*it that follows with that?
Yes, we certainly have a new, exciting Sweden. Teachers are assaulted. Ambulances/firetrucks are bombarded with fireworks and cobblestones. A subway station in an exciting, multicultural enriched suburb of Stockholm had to close because of gangs shooting fireworks, starting fires and assaulting people. A police station in Södertälje just outside Stockholm got the majority of a mag from an AK47 fired through a window to an interogation room next to the one where they were interviewing the victim of a crime. Isn't that exciting?
I got to get me some weapons methinks.
Post by: freakazoid on September 02, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
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Ambulances/firetrucks are bombarded with fireworks
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because of gangs shooting fireworks,
?? Odd choice of a weapon? Give me all your money or I will make your ears ring.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 02, 2008, 08:45:58 AM
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Ambulances/firetrucks are bombarded with fireworks
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because of gangs shooting fireworks,
?? Odd choice of a weapon? Give me all your money or I will make your ears ring.
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 04, 2008, 12:02:22 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 04, 2008, 12:15:57 PM
Do what Israel does in the territories. Arm the EMTs.
I can't even imagine the shitstorm that would follow a decision like that. Personally, I'd have the ambulances escorted by an armored vehicle or two, armed with a .50 cal on the roof. Anyone throw a stone, and the EMT's will be working overtime...
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 04, 2008, 12:18:43 PM
Do what Israel does in the territories. Arm the EMTs.
I can't even imagine the shitstorm that would follow a decision like that. Personally, I'd have the ambulances escorted by an armored vehicle or two, armed with a .50 cal on the roof. Anyone throw a stone, and the EMT's will be working overtime...So wait... in your country, deploying mechanized infantry with the EMTs is politically viable, giving the EMT's an M1 carbine each is not?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 04, 2008, 12:23:48 PM
Do what Israel does in the territories. Arm the EMTs.
I can't even imagine the shitstorm that would follow a decision like that. Personally, I'd have the ambulances escorted by an armored vehicle or two, armed with a .50 cal on the roof. Anyone throw a stone, and the EMT's will be working overtime...So wait... in your country, deploying mechanized infantry with the EMTs is politically viable, giving the EMT's an M1 carbine each is not?