Post by: akodo2 on August 30, 2008, 09:34:31 PM
I recall McCain saying some very distrubing things about the people should be willing to give up some of their rights for greater safty after the 9-11 incident.
Do any of you recall that as well? or know his exact words?
Post by: Hk91-762mm on August 31, 2008, 03:40:39 AM
I was going to vote for BOB BARR board member of the NRA. Knowing full well he could never win-It was a protest vote against the RNC for shoving a LIBERAL Lite in my face as an only choice to vote for .
NOW im going to vote for Mcstain =REASON#1 SARA PALIN.
She is a true concervitive -gun owner-Hunter -Sportsman!
Im pro abortion But Ill give up that right because most Pro choicers are anti gun and Ill never need an abortion.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on August 31, 2008, 03:53:04 AM
There are a few rules here. Generally though, if conducted in a polite manner, most any conversation goes.
I don't like the guy either, but we're not supposed to use names like "McStain."
Post by: cosine on August 31, 2008, 04:28:55 AM
Post by: eflatminor on August 31, 2008, 06:08:57 AM
I'll be voting Libertarian here in California because there's no way McCain gets this state. Now if I lived in Ohio...
Post by: longeyes on August 31, 2008, 06:44:56 AM
No small thing.
Post by: HankB on August 31, 2008, 07:18:06 AM
So . . . the ONLY reason to vote for McCain is that the next President is likely to name multiple SCOTUS justices.
McCain may give us moderates like Anthony Kennedy; not what we'd like, but an improvement if they replace Breyer, Ginberg, Souter, or Stevens. On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama will appoint closet Marxists. I'd like to see RINO McCain lose and give BHO a chance to fail miserably in office; this would both show the GOP that we don't like RINOs and thoroughly discredit the Dems . . . but SCOTUS appointments can keep hurting us for decades. That worries me.
Post by: Manedwolf on August 31, 2008, 07:20:43 AM
Picture McCain-Palin. Then the next term, he retires, and the ticket is Palin-Jindal.
A White House with the American-spirit independent and refreshingly competent running it.
"America" would be back.
Post by: longeyes on August 31, 2008, 07:28:20 AM
But I personally don't think it's just about losing the Court. It would be about losing America. If we can't protect our basic liberties through the Rule of Law at the highest level we will have no option as free men and women but to push re-set in some way, shape, or form. A radically leftist SCOTUS would demoralize every American loyal to the basic vision of the Founders.
I think the rational way is preferable--if we can keep it.
Post by: akodo2 on August 31, 2008, 09:42:39 AM
However, I think the people will turn on Obama and we will only have to suffer through 4 years. I hope the justices are healthy. Rememeber, we went a long time without appointing any new ones. I hope that trend can continue for a little while.
Post by: Crow1108 on August 31, 2008, 09:49:21 AM
Post by: longeyes on August 31, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
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However, I think the people will turn on Obama and we will only have to suffer through 4 years. I hope the justices are healthy. Rememeber, we went a long time without appointing any new ones. I hope that trend can continue for a little while.
Get ready, if BHO is elected, for the longest four years in American history since the War of Secession.
Post by: Stevie-Ray on August 31, 2008, 02:37:50 PM
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Picture McCain-Palin. Then the next term, he retires, and the ticket is Palin-Jindal.
Whoa, talk about a dream. If only we could be guaranteed............................Seriously though, if anybody is considering voting for McCain, PLEASE don't throw away a vote on Barr. He has no chance and your little vote is not going to punish the GOP. Vote the person that most thinks like you and has the cance to win!
Or his VP
Post by: agricola on August 31, 2008, 03:04:39 PM
Post by: K Frame on August 31, 2008, 03:46:42 PM
Post by: roo_ster on August 31, 2008, 04:41:13 PM
Gin: originally flavored with juniper berries and sold as medicinal as no one thought the foul stuff good for drinking...and as "medicinal" avoided the tax on drinking spirits.
Tonic water: A vehicle for the foul quinine, a malaria preventative.
Then, the desperate-to-get-buzzed Brits mix them both in some 18th century colonial backwater and turn it into a cocktail.
I must admit to having one every blue moon, usually coinciding with the first hot days in spring.
Post by: Matthew Carberry on August 31, 2008, 05:13:22 PM
Post by: Oldskoolfan on September 08, 2008, 06:48:11 AM
McCain may give us moderates like Anthony Kennedy; not what we'd like, but an improvement if they replace Breyer, Ginberg, Souter, or Stevens. On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama will appoint closet Marxists. I'd like to see RINO McCain lose and give BHO a chance to fail miserably in office; this would both show the GOP that we don't like RINOs and thoroughly discredit the Dems . . . but SCOTUS appointments can keep hurting us for decades. That worries me.
Then why not vote for Bob Barr? He will give us better choices than McCain or Obama.
Post by: Umber on September 08, 2008, 06:57:35 AM
If it works out well...
Picture McCain-Palin. Then the next term, he retires, and the ticket is Palin-Jindal.
A White House with the American-spirit independent and refreshingly competent running it.
"America" would be back.
Picture McCain-Palin. Then the next term, he retires, and the ticket is Palin-Jindal.
A White House with the American-spirit independent and refreshingly competent running it.
"America" would be back.
This is exactly what I'm hoping for.
Umber
Post by: ilbob on September 08, 2008, 07:56:24 AM
I don't like the guy either, but we're not supposed to use names like "McStain."
Or Hitlery.Personally, I am not real enthused about McCain, but some absolutists have blown his gun related positions way out of proportion. I am more miffed about McCain-Feingold than having to have a NICS check when buying a gun at a gun show.
Post by: Tallpine on September 08, 2008, 08:25:24 AM
Post by: Balog on September 08, 2008, 08:44:20 AM
Post by: Scout26 on September 08, 2008, 08:48:13 AM
After he picked Sarah for VP, I'm going to vote for McCain - but I can certainly understand if someone just wants to go to the bar on election day instead
Here in Illinois the bars are closed on election day until after the polls close.
However, with early voting, you can get all snockered up and then vote!!! YEAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
Post by: Manedwolf on September 08, 2008, 08:50:42 AM
After he picked Sarah for VP, I'm going to vote for McCain - but I can certainly understand if someone just wants to go to the bar on election day instead
Here in Illinois the bars are closed on election day until after the polls close.
However, with early voting, you can get all snockered up and then vote!!! YEAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
You got funny laws.
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 08, 2008, 09:03:47 AM
I'm voting McCain, and hoping he has a heart attack quick fast and in a hurry.
I'd rather it not happen until 2 years into his term.
Then the next 2 years will not count against Palin's 2-term limit, and we can have Palin for 8 years.
Post by: yesitsloaded on September 08, 2008, 09:21:49 AM
Post by: K Frame on September 08, 2008, 10:09:15 AM
You may want to look into that.
Gin was monstrously popular in 18th century Britain to the point where it was seen as the greatest social ill of the age. It was originally sold as medicinal in the Netherlands, where it was first invented, but by the time it hit Britain it was largely just something to get soused on.
The gin and tonic likely didn't come into existence until sometime after 1820-30 when large-scale quinine extraction was perfected and British colonial troops began to receive regular quinine rations.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 08, 2008, 10:36:45 AM
If I vote for Obama I don't get anything that I want, and a helluva lot of stuff I don't want. Bad bad bad!
If I vote for Barr or another third party candidate I won't get anything, either good or bad, because he just won't win anywhere. So what's the point?
Seems like McCain is the only sensible choice. Better to get some of what I want, and maybe fight a holding action for a few years until I can get a candidate I really like.
Post by: longeyes on September 08, 2008, 11:00:31 AM
Barr is a vanity vote.
Post by: RoadKingLarry on September 08, 2008, 12:56:34 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 08, 2008, 12:57:24 PM
Post by: WeedWhacker on September 08, 2008, 03:47:11 PM
Ten thousand and one felonies aren't enough - let's make a misdemeanor an excuse to deprive you of your God-given, unalienable rights!
Post by: lupinus on September 08, 2008, 03:52:25 PM
While I may not think McCain is the best choice, he is leaps and bounds better then Obama. Also Palin is good person to have in the white house to balance things out, shes also a great person to step in should McCain not finish out his term. Given his age, that's important.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 09, 2008, 04:00:29 AM
Barr has demonstrated that he fails to understand the meaning of the Second Amendment
Ten thousand and one felonies aren't enough - let's make a misdemeanor an excuse to deprive you of your God-given, unalienable rights!
Ten thousand and one felonies aren't enough - let's make a misdemeanor an excuse to deprive you of your God-given, unalienable rights!
Hmm . . . a GOA newsletter from April, 1997. Not a bad investigation, but might I be permitted to share something a bit more recent?
Sure, Bob Barr's voting record pales in comparison with Ron Paul's. But since when has anyone on these boards cared about consistently pro-2A voting records, anyway?
Furthermore, you'll notice that, while Barr's votes became progressively more favorable for gun owners following his first term, the same cannot be said for:
McCain or Obama (Obviously)
Chuck Baldwin is fairly new to the political arena. Not much is known about him, but GOA does provide links to his stance on the issues.
Post by: red headed stranger on September 09, 2008, 03:18:51 PM
Post by: Scout26 on September 09, 2008, 03:24:23 PM
The state I am registered in will definitely be going for Obama, so I am voting for Barr.
Which state ?? I'm in BHO home state of Illinois. I think that what was once thought to be a nice safe BHO state may not be so much anymore. Yes, there's Chicago, but I think the Palin for VP choice has changed the calculus. Chicago will go for BHO, but the collar counties and downstate are looking more and more like they'll go for McCain.
It'll be closer then the experts think.....
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 10, 2008, 07:05:46 PM
Post by: red headed stranger on September 10, 2008, 11:52:12 PM
The state I am registered in will definitely be going for Obama, so I am voting for Barr.
Which state ?? I'm in BHO home state of Illinois. I think that what was once thought to be a nice safe BHO state may not be so much anymore. Yes, there's Chicago, but I think the Palin for VP choice has changed the calculus. Chicago will go for BHO, but the collar counties and downstate are looking more and more like they'll go for McCain.
It'll be closer then the experts think.....
I'm registered in CA.
Post by: onebigelf on September 12, 2008, 06:08:43 AM
McCain is really no special friend of gun owners .
I was going to vote for BOB BARR board member of the NRA. Knowing full well he could never win-It was a protest vote against the RNC for shoving a LIBERAL Lite in my face as an only choice to vote for .
NOW im going to vote for Mcstain =REASON#1 SARA PALIN.
She is a true concervitive -gun owner-Hunter -Sportsman!
Im pro abortion But Ill give up that right because most Pro choicers are anti gun and Ill never need an abortion.
I was going to vote for BOB BARR board member of the NRA. Knowing full well he could never win-It was a protest vote against the RNC for shoving a LIBERAL Lite in my face as an only choice to vote for .
NOW im going to vote for Mcstain =REASON#1 SARA PALIN.
She is a true concervitive -gun owner-Hunter -Sportsman!
Im pro abortion But Ill give up that right because most Pro choicers are anti gun and Ill never need an abortion.
I'm with you (and I'm a member of my local REC). I was perilously close to voting for Chuck Baldwin before the Palin nomination. She was actually my pie-in-the-sky choice for VP for several months. I just didn't expect McCain to go for her. I'm also pro-choice because I doubt my right to impose my confused views on the subject on others, but I agree that it's a states-rights issue and I'm comfortable with that. I'm not an NRA supporter for more than a decade now. Too much compromise. Too much- the 2nd amendment is hunting- and I now send my money to the JPFO.
John
Post by: Wildalaska on September 12, 2008, 08:52:32 AM
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Post by: Thor on September 12, 2008, 10:18:10 AM
Post by: Silver Bullet on September 12, 2008, 08:06:25 PM
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Throw in a lime and they are a sovereign remedy for scurvy as well.
That's what margaritas are for.
Post by: wacki on September 12, 2008, 08:20:30 PM
McCain is really no special friend of gun owners .
I was going to vote for BOB BARR board member of the NRA. Knowing full well he could never win-It was a protest vote against the RNC for shoving a LIBERAL Lite in my face as an only choice to vote for .
NOW im going to vote for Mcstain =REASON#1 SARA PALIN.
She is a true concervitive -gun owner-Hunter -Sportsman!
Im pro abortion But Ill give up that right because most Pro choicers are anti gun and Ill never need an abortion.
I was going to vote for BOB BARR board member of the NRA. Knowing full well he could never win-It was a protest vote against the RNC for shoving a LIBERAL Lite in my face as an only choice to vote for .
NOW im going to vote for Mcstain =REASON#1 SARA PALIN.
She is a true concervitive -gun owner-Hunter -Sportsman!
Im pro abortion But Ill give up that right because most Pro choicers are anti gun and Ill never need an abortion.
I don't buy used guns. Please *link* me to one single bill that McCain has voted for or verbally supported that would impact me.
I understand there are people here that want to buy guns without background checks. But I don't subscribe to the notion that any politician that favors background checks is anti-gun.
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Any vote in a swing state that is not for McCain is a vote for Obama this election.
Post by: TexasRifleman on September 13, 2008, 02:54:07 PM
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Bob Barr is a clown.
He's kind of a nut job for sure.
He's running some campaign here in Texas to try to get the Secretary of State to remove the Dem and Rep candidates from the official ballot.
He says he's the only candidate that met all the requirements so he should be the only name on the ballot.
The technicality is that they put placeholder names for the 2 major parties since they don't choose candidates til the convention.
He's saying that since there was no specific name they can't be on the ballot.
Even if he's right he's never gonna pull that one off and all it's doing is making him look more like a nut.
Post by: French G. on September 13, 2008, 03:45:49 PM
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Agreed. I sure have missed your ever relevant signatures.