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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ron on October 20, 2008, 12:45:56 PM
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Biden on the first year of their new administration:
Biden, chairman of the Senate Foriegn Relations committee, told supporters at a fundraiser in Seattle that it might not be immediately apparent Obama is "right" during his first 100 days, especially on foreign policy matters.
"Gird your loins," Biden warned.. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."
we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
Biden said Obama is "gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us." There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision.
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/10/20/biden_gird_your_loins_for_obama_on_fopo
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O_o
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Quote from an Obama supporter, active in the campaign: "Our experiment with capitalism is a failure."
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I think Biden's gotten even nuttier.
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Smells like an international treaty that we ain't much gonna like.
A gun-related one would just rile us gunnies up... it wouldn't rile up folks who attend Seattle high profile Democratic Fundraisers or people who'd be upset with pointing an accusatory finger at Capitalism itself.
It's gonna be a fundamental push at a bedrock of our economy and national spirit.
My vote is that they're going after the Dollar, gonna switch us to the Amero. At the same time they will nationalize the banking infrastructure. Somewhere in the Trillion dollar bailout, Nancy and friends hid language making this possible.
ETA: After mtnbkr's challenge, I skimmed through the 110 page bill and found that Section 119 made it possible for the Secretary of the Treasury to hold 9 CEO's of non-failing banks in a board room and force them to sell a percentage of their banks to the US Government. The language of this section makes it impossible to file grievance against the government once aid money has been accepted;
(3) LIMITATION ON ACTIONS BY PARTICIPATING
8 COMPANIES.—No action or claims may be brought
9 against the Secretary by any person that divests its
10 assets with respect to its participation in a program
11 under this Act, except as provided in paragraph (1),
12 other than as expressly provided in a written con
13 tract with the Secretary.
So, none of those 9 banks may now sue to be released from the program, even if the actions of the Secretary would have created a run on their banks and a dive in their stocks due to failed investor confidence.
Also, the standard of Judicial Review for this action is held to the verbiage of Chapter 7, Title 5 of US Code:
20 SEC. 119. JUDICIAL REVIEW AND RELATED MATTERS.
21 (a) JUDICIAL REVIEW.—
22 (1) STANDARD.—Actions by the Secretary pur-
23 suant to the authority of this Act shall be subject to
24 chapter 7 of title 5, United States Code, including
25 that such final actions shall be held unlawful and set
1 aside if found to be arbitrary, capricious, an abuse
2 of discretion, or not in accordance with law.
When an agency finds that justice so requires, it may postpone the effective date of action taken by it, pending judicial review. On such conditions as may be required and to the extent necessary to prevent irreparable injury, the reviewing court, including the court to which a case may be taken on appeal from or on application for certiorari or other writ to a reviewing court, may issue all necessary and appropriate process to postpone the effective date of an agency action or to preserve status or rights pending conclusion of the review proceedings.
So, the Secretary can do whatever he wants and it might be reversed later, someday.
I'll admit I found no verbiage specifically allowing for introduction of new currency. I am distressed that the act doesn't expire until 12/31/2009, however. That's a deliberate date, allowing for a new administration to continue playing with these powers for the first year of its administration.
But, taking the powers of this Act into accord with the words of Biden:
1. "...this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."
2. "Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
3. "There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision.'"
4. "it might not be immediately apparent Obama is "right" during his first 100 days, especially on foreign policy matters."
So, very early in his administration (before expiration of the Act), he is going to do something that will offend capitalism and national pride that would have bearing on foreign policy matters.
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Somewhere in the Trillion dollar bailout, Nancy and friends hid language making this possible.
Quote the specific portions of the bill or retract the comment. We're not the tinfoil nuttery forum.
Chris
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Wanna bet the Dems are resurrecting Kyoto?...or Kyoto x10?....
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Quote the specific portions of the bill or retract the comment. We're not the tinfoil nuttery forum.
Chris
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Gun treaties, the Amero, Fairness Doctrine...all coming...
I think hard times will encourage a miltary protectorate, and who could be better a better Lord Protector than the eminent Colin Powell...
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Gun treaties, the Amero, Fairness Doctrine...all coming...
I think hard times will encourage a miltary protectorate, and who could be better a better Lord Protector than the eminent Colin Powell...
That...is reaching more than a bit. The one-currency thing is absolute tinfoil.
Powell will likely get an advisory cushy position. Obama's secdef will be Merrill McPeak.
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Mtnbkr's challenge accepted, post edited above for clarification.
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Actually I expect the military protectorate to come from the Right, not from the Left, but that's another story...
I know, I know, it's all a "reach," but these days nothing's really that implausible given the accumulating momentum of so many years and so much consolidated power and the growing stupefaction of the American people.
Secession is probably a reach too, but I still believe it's anything but far-fetched. Interesting how upset people have gotten over the Alaskan secession issue. Well, understandable, I mean who is going to pay for all that beautiful socialism if the non-believers decide not to play any more?
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Who is John Galt?
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I don't know, but he's on Saturday Night Live this week with Joe the Plumber...
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I'll admit I found no verbiage specifically allowing for introduction of new currency.
So Mtnbkr was correct, and the poster's premise of the "Amero" coming our way is basically nuttier than a fruitcake.
I think one's time would be better spent watching for black helicopters, honestly. :rolleyes:
Tinfoil hattery does not become APS.
This thread is hanging gossamer thin - let's get back to the OP's topic, before the weight of the additional tinfoil snaps it completely.
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What? Our government delegating [another] one of its obligatory duties to a separate entity, completely eradicating any remaining sense of national sovereignty and/or removing political accountability from the issue?
That would never happen.
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Our experiment with capitalism is a failure.
Compared to what ? These kinds of statements really reinforce my opinion of leftists.
Secession is probably a reach too, but I still believe it's anything but far-fetched. Interesting how upset people have gotten over the Alaskan secession issue. Well, understandable, I mean who is going to pay for all that beautiful socialism if the non-believers decide not to play any more?
Exactly right. The socialists are terrified that we will secede. They need us, we don’t need them.
We're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him.
I’m already planning “impeach barry” bumper stickers if barry wins. Does that count ?
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Quote from an Obama supporter, active in the campaign: "Our experiment with capitalism is a failure."
That's nothing. In the week (or two) after the Fannie/Freddie debacle, Obama kept deriding "this notion" of the free market. Pelosi said something like "the free market is over."
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McPeak for Sec Def would be a disaster.
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McPeak for Sec Def would be a disaster.
He is a close Obama adviser and a member of the campaign. I am quite sure that's going to happen.
Maybe he'll come up with new uniforms that look like janitor overalls, this time.
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LennyJoe can attest to this just as easily as I can, but the Air Force still hasn't recovered from Merrill A. ("A" for "A@&%^!*") McPeak. =(
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Think FDR's First 100 Days to the power of 4 or 5.
Obama could care less about Russia or Iran. He will focus his offensive on us. =D
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That...is reaching more than a bit. The one-currency thing is absolute tinfoil.
That's what the Europeans thought.
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On OP; There's the fact that Obamamessiah's getting Presidential briefs. Gee. (the KGB) i mean Russia's alliances with Venezuela / Iran. China / Iraq. The worldwide economic problem, the food crisis, Islamists. The Iranian ship captured by Somali Pirates that proved to be highly radioactive; what WMD's ? Afiganistan, Pakistan. For starters. =|
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Save us from ourselves... er... I mean... save us from taxes... even those that didn't pay any! Yeah!
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/105996/Ideas-for-2nd-Stimulus-Cover-Broad-Swath
The last stimulus package cost $150 Billion.
This one is estimated at a minimum of $150 Billion, maybe even as much as $300 Billion.
In comparison:
The "Big Dig" in Massachussetts cost $14.6 Billion.
A new football stadium in every state's Capitol City would cost $50 Billion.
A new world-class suspension bridge for every Interstate in the country that could use one (100 bridges @ 1B per) would cost $100 Billion.
A return to manned lunar missions would cost $15 Billion.
A pair of private Spaceports, one in New Mexico and one in Death Valley, would cost less than $500 million total.
Building new Ford-class Aircraft Carriers for the Navy would cost about $8 Billion per ship.
Doing all these things together (except the Big Dig, which is already done) would tighten America's critical transportation industry, provide tens of thousands of jobs, provide return on investment, improve the Architectural technology of American construction industry, further scientific advancement with new research and new technologies for space and terrestrial use, generate tourism revenue for cities and instill greater national pride in the generation to take part in this grand endeavor.
But instead, we could all just buy Indonesian TV's and Chinese Blueray players. ;/
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The Big Dig is not done. It leaks like a sieve and drops concrete panels on cars.
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This one is estimated at a minimum of $150 Billion, maybe even as much as $300 Billion.
Conversely, building a border fence on entire length of the US-Mexico border, assuming Congress' per-mile price estimate is true, would cost 5.907 billion.
For this money you could build 25 layers of fencing.
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Sarkozy - that gentleman that sprang out of nowhere in europolitics and somehow suddenly has the ear of half the world - has not actually stated that there should be a one currency to rule them all, evidently he thinks there might be a limit on how many currencies should be around ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BIjliwS7Z8
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Has nobody read Rothbard? He predicted the inevitable rise of a transnational central bank and currency.
I remember thinking it was crazy.
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Conversely, building a border fence on entire length of the US-Mexico border, assuming Congress' per-mile price estimate is true, would cost 5.907 billion.
For this money you could build 25 layers of fencing.
You didn't get the memo, I see. "They" want open borders and amnesty.
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Just remember......Obama Being Tested = lots of dead US Soldiers and Civillians.....
Think anyone will want to "test" John "Anger Management" McCain ??
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Just remember......Obama Being Tested = lots of dead US Soldiers and Civillians.....
Think anyone will want to "test" John "Anger Management" McCain ??
You know for all my disagreements with McCain, here's one thing I'd trust him on:
"They just did WHAT!???! Now who just claimed credit for it? Good. Where's my button?"
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i heard someone call him john make my day mccain, in a positive way
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I think we're going to see a rapid surrender in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Then we'll see another attack on CONUS...
Then all the dweebs who look down their noses at gunnies for having flags flying, etc., will be wearing flag pins again, and calling for heads on stakes, or at least strongly worded letters...
Hmmm... Nationalization of the oil/gas industries?
Nationalization of healthcare?
Transport?
Scary.
This is NOT the time to bury guns...
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Not politics.