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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: zahc on October 29, 2008, 10:43:31 AM
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It constantly surprises me how a third party can't put up a palatable candidate. If the libertarians could drag up their version of Obama, they may actually have a seat at the table. Instead they keep coming up with old white guys.
While he has a point about old white guy vs. young black guy electability, I'm not sure to the extent the libertarians could create 'their version of Obama'. For one thing, they couldn't offer free stuff, on the other, they could certainly preach a message of change especially to the youth. I wonder to what extent the reception of the 'freedom' message changes when it comes from an old white guy, versus someone more 'hip'.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes
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Oddly enough, people who talk about "old white guys" and "dead white guys" always seem to forget Karl Marx was an old white guy who died a long time ago.
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I keep forgetting that history is about being hip and cool.
I must be getting senile, but them I'm a white guy and not that young any more...
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Oddly enough, people who talk about "old white guys" and "dead white guys" always seem to forget Karl Marx was an old white guy who died a long time ago.
And he was actually incredibly racist, too.
Also, libertarians had Loretta Nall. And now we have W. Lawson.
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What about the Wookies?
The LP has the intergalatic (and the vote of single white males with acne that live in their mom's basement) vote sewn up!
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http://www.mondsforpsc.com/
It's a start.
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Is this guy sufficiently 'hip' for you?
http://www.lawsonforcongress.com/
Or maybe this lady:
http://www.barbdaviswhiteforcongress.com/index.shtml
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I suspect that a big reason the Libertarian party doesn't have many rising charismatic political stars is because few who are in that position are dumb enough to join the dead end Libertarian party. It's far better for their career and goals to realign themselves with the major party that they find the least distasteful, run as a party moderate, and work from there. Better to be known as a RINO/DINO then to never get to the stage in the first place.
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The real libertarians are too busy doing productive things to keep repeating what libertarianism is all about. The best way to sell liberty is to manifest its power.
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The best way to sell liberty is to manifest its power.
By dressing up like a 10 year old in a wookie suit and throwing Mountain Dew and Cheetoe bags in your front yard.
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By dressing up like a 10 year old in a wookie suit and throwing Mountain Dew and Cheetoe bags in your front yard.
No, I was thinking carving letters into my face. THen I realized I was smarter than that.
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No, I was thinking carving letters into my face. THen I realized I was smarter than that.
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Tattoo =/= carving letters into your face with your fingernails.
I hope you understand that.
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I think you missed the point. He was pointing out that the pictured individual is a loser, so thus everyone who supports the same person as said individual must also be losers. All the cool, relevant people have hitched their wagons to McCain, because he's electable and thus would make a better candidate than Paul who constantly spouts madness about smaller government. What a kook, amirite? Only idiots dream of smaller government. Idiots and insane people.
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You're right, Sir, I'll get with the program immediately.
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How many past Libertarian leaders are failed politicians who left one of the other parties?
I agree with the comment above that young charismatic leaders are going to gravitate to the major parties.
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The Libertarian Party is basically fractured at this point, so its unclear as to whether or not it will even have the tiny bit of relevance it has in the future. Which is a shame. I consider myself a Libertarian, but I have no expectations whatsoever as far as the party goes. So i either vote Libertarian, and throw my vote away, or just vote on the proposals (as I'm doing this year). I agree with the poster who said that most Libertarians are too busy living their lives to run for office. Thats just how it is. The idea that Bob Barr is anything but a failure desperately clinging to any shred of relevance is ludicrious. This guy is running for president as a libertarian? The same guy that was a member of Newt Gingrich's task force for a drug-free america? The same guy who spearheaded the efforts to piss away the taxpayers money during the Monica Lewinsky scandal? Who voted to make same-sex marriage illegal? Who voted for the Patriot Act? Get real.
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What about the Wookies?
The LP has the intergalatic (and the vote of single white males with acne that live in their mom's basement) vote sewn up!
Yawn... :rolleyes: It just never stops with you, does it?
Did someone in a Wookiee costume kick your dog when you were a kid, or something? Or maybe it was just a mean ol' libertarian who did it. Whatever.
I think you missed the point. He was pointing out that the pictured individual is a loser, so thus everyone who supports the same person as said individual must also be losers. All the cool, relevant people have hitched their wagons to McCain, because he's electable and thus would make a better candidate than Paul who constantly spouts madness about smaller government. What a kook, amirite? Only idiots dream of smaller government. Idiots and insane people.
MrRezister FTW.
Funny - the guy's face wasn't orange with Cheeto crumbs or covered in acne (or both), and he wasn't NEARLY shaggy enough to be in a Wookiee suit. That tattoo must have been Photoshopped, he CAN'T actually be a Ron Paul supporter! :rolleyes:
The Libertarian Party is basically fractured at this point, so its unclear as to whether or not it will even have the tiny bit of relevance it has in the future. Which is a shame. I consider myself a Libertarian, but I have no expectations whatsoever as far as the party goes. So i either vote Libertarian, and throw my vote away, or just vote on the proposals (as I'm doing this year). I agree with the poster who said that most Libertarians are too busy living their lives to run for office. Thats just how it is. The idea that Bob Barr is anything but a failure desperately clinging to any shred of relevance is ludicrious. This guy is running for president as a libertarian? The same guy that was a member of Newt Gingrich's task force for a drug-free america? The same guy who spearheaded the efforts to piss away the taxpayers money during the Monica Lewinsky scandal? Who voted to make same-sex marriage illegal? Who voted for the Patriot Act? Get real.
It's truly sad that Barr is the best the LP can (or at least WILL) put up this year. He's claimed to have "seen the error of his ways", as it were ;/, though I'm sure that's just as sincere as any OTHER politician's promises. Rumors of backroom wheelin'-an'-dealin' at the nomination convention probably don't help among those LP members already disenchanted with a party which appears to be drifting (or in some cases, RUNNING) away from it's principles, either - which means that Tuesday's forthcoming unimpressive showing will result in yet another battle for ballot access and denial of public fora for discourse, which the Big Two get handed to them on a silver platter for every election. Not a candidate who's going to bring new voters to the LP, that's for sure.
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What is it with these accusations of Barr?
What kind of reasons does he have to lie? Does anybody think he can actually gain something from running for President as a Libertarian?
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What kind of reasons does he have to lie?
His track record is completely inconsistent with the libertarian platform (unless they decided to change it again). He wanted to disallow members of the armed forces from choosing their own religion, voted to make marriage defined as being between a man and a woman, and was a member of Newt Gingrich's drug-free task force. Now its very well possible that he has changed entirely (within the last five years) but i find that a little convenient.
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His track record is completely inconsistent with the libertarian platform (unless they decided to change it again). He wanted to disallow members of the armed forces from choosing their own religion, voted to make marriage defined as being between a man and a woman, and was a member of Newt Gingrich's drug-free task force. Now its very well possible that he has changed entirely (within the last five years) but i find that a little convenient.
Wanting to redefine marriage is a liberal goal, not libertarian.
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Wanting to determine who may or may not enter into the contract of marriage certainly isn't a libertarian goal.
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Wanting to determine who may or may not enter into the contract of marriage certainly isn't a libertarian goal.
This is where I think a number of so-called libertarians are actually anarchists, and just don't understand what the difference is.
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This is where I think a number of so-called libertarians are actually anarchists, and just don't understand what the difference is.
Capital-Anarchism is a legitimate part of the greater libertarianism. Rothbard was an anarchist.
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This is where I think a number of so-called libertarians are actually anarchists, and just don't understand what the difference is.
How does Sara's wish to marry Joan have any impact on my life with or marriage to Lori? In what way does John's wish to marry Chuck harm you, or anyone else, in any real manner? Seeking to restrict the liabilities and benefits of marriage exclusively to one man and one woman IS NOT a libertarian ideal, by definition. "Anarchy" has nothing to do with it - it simply doesn't fit into the the capital-L Libertarian Party's stated platform, let alone the broader definition of small-l libertarianism.
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Note that I, the topic started never mentioned anything about Libertarians or the LP.
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Wanting to redefine marriage is a liberal goal, not libertarian.
I agree marriage is a religious institution that has no place in government. That being said I just made up a religion called wookie-ism. According to my religion, gay marriage is great and straight marriage is horrendously appaling. I am running for office and am hoping to outlaw straight marriage, as the wookie-ists hate it.
You obviously don't understand libertarian thought. Mind your own business, who cares if gay people marry, it has NO effect on you or anyone else whatsoever. If you think they are going to hell, good for you, why don't we outlaw premarital sex too? Gay sex? Oral sex?
I'm not an anarchists, I believe in 2 criminal laws, which the government should enforce.. don't hurt anyone else physically, don't take what isn't yours. There you go, that is my entire criminal code. The jury/judge system is generally intelligent enough to appropriately decide punishments if you break one of these laws.
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I'm not an anarchists, I believe in 2 criminal laws, which the government should enforce.. don't hurt anyone else physically, don't take what isn't yours. There you go, that is my entire criminal code. The jury/judge system is generally intelligent enough to appropriately decide punishments if you break one of these laws.
Okay. Someone was in your house, but hadn't stolen anything yet, but you shot them. By that, you broke the law and they didn't.
Rule of law is not that simple. It's why we have laws codified as they are.
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Okay. Someone was in your house, but hadn't stolen anything yet, but you shot them. By that, you broke the law and they didn't.
Invading someone's house is generally a violation of their right to property in and of itself. That's why the government isn't allowed to station troops in the casa del Manedwolf.
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The same guy that was a member of Newt Gingrich's task force for a drug-free america? The same guy who spearheaded the efforts to piss away the taxpayers money during the Monica Lewinsky scandal? Who voted to make same-sex marriage illegal? Who voted for the Patriot Act? Get real.
Not only that, but just look at the guy; it's like he gets his fashion tips from Art Bell. Barry Goldwater was stylish by comparison.
But I'm definitely with you on the rest; it's going to take more than a couple good books and an appearance on Penn & Teller's show to convince me he's made such a dramatic turnaround.
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But I'm definitely with you on the rest; it's going to take more than a couple good books and an appearance on Penn & Teller's show to convince me he's made such a dramatic turnaround.
Why exactly is it that you think he hasn't?
He has no reason to lie whatever as he stands nothing to gain by lying.
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IMHO, Libertarians should focus more on the state houses and judgeships (where applicable--like TX). That's where the foothold can be established....
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Not only that, but just look at the guy; it's like he gets his fashion tips from Art Bell. Barry Goldwater was stylish by comparison.
Hey, at least Mahmoud "1970's Sears raincoat" Ahmadinejad would no longer be the worst-dressed world leader.