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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: 280plus on October 30, 2008, 10:27:09 PM
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Do we think this is faked? If so how? Looks mighty real to me:
Watch OP video:
http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/fg3/36165-video-full-scale-one-wing-landing-fake.html
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Nothing on snopes about it...
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Looks somewhat faked to me. No control cables or things that would be left hanging from where the wing was.
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Fake.
A) clean break on the wing.
B) The landing was not real. I've witnessed tens of thousands of landings and hundreds of emergency landings. Dozens of crashes and crash-landings. Soft field landings.
C) The video going in and out of focus conveniently during the landing.
D) Plane parked with the wing away from the camera.
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Absolute nonsense. Fake.
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Ok, but how? helluva fake. Model plane maybe? Damn good fake job if nothing else. =D
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I do notice the writing on the remaining wing seems blurred out in a lot of the vid. Damn interesting though.
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Looked CG to me. A promo for a new flight sim maybe?
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Fake.
looks like blue screen CG
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http://www.reggiepaulk.com/2008/10/k...buzz-with.html
nuff said
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http://www.reggiepaulk.com/2008/10/killathrill-generates-huge-buzz-with.html
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Dang, is there an echo in here or what? :rolleyes:
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Uh. Didn't you guys realize that is a radio controlled plane. Part of the reason it looks fake is because of the plastic model in the canopy and something as heavy in real life has more kinetic energy stored - making it harder to stop, turn, etc. The plane in the video makes adjustments to quickly and easily to be a large, heavy aircraft.
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Thank you all...
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Very fake.
Obviously CG, I can tell from the way the texture and lighting is.
The acting is terrible.
The camera work is purposely shoddy, and going out of focus too much.
You ever seen a real video from an air show or something? None of them look like this. I heard no wind, no people breathing. The camera seemed too 'professional grade' for what this video is supposed to be. And all the sounds sounded dubbed in (Because they were).
Also, when have you ever seen anyone scream "RUUUUUUUUN" so cheesily, so close to a soon to be wreck, and stay PERFECLTY ON TARGET with their camera? (When he can't even stay on it when it's moving in the air hundreds of feet away.)
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Sure it's CG? Can't some of these little RC aircraft prop-hang (correct term?) making one wing flight possible - without the wing the model is always nose skyward.
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Here's a twist for you all, pilot interview afterward, faked as well? (some language!)
http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html
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Yep, it's faked, too.
See Bogie's post above.
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It's a large-scale RC plane. Many RC planes, even large scale ones, can hover "on the prop". It wouldn't be much of a stretch for a skilled RC pilot to bring it down like that.
I say real.
Brad
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I agree with Brad that it probably is a RC and that a RC does have the power to weight ratio needed to fly like that. There is no way that is a real aircraft.
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D) Plane parked with the wing away from the camera.
They did a hell of a job splicing the real airplane in for the R/C one. I watched it and didn't see a "jump" or anything during the time from the landing to the pilot getting out.
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I agree with Brad that it probably is a RC and that a RC does have the power to weight ratio needed to fly like that. There is no way that is a real aircraft.
Huh? There are plenty of aerobatic airplanes out there with HUGE power to weight ratios.
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Huh? There are plenty of aerobatic airplanes out there with HUGE power to weight ratios.
But none like an RC.
A full scale plane has a pilot, a bunch of fuel, seating, safety gear, instrumentation, cockpit paraphernalia, hydraulic lines, pumps, actuators, redundant systems, etc.
You see RC planes prop-floating all the time. I haven't once seen a piloted craft do that.
Brad
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According to this thread - http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4652658/tm.htm - it can be done.
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I've seen Extras, Pitts, and Sukhois hanging on the prop and doing torque rolls.
Kirby Chambliss at Oshkosh (right on take off): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET1WxgCkpuk
Now, I'm not saying the video in question is real and I don't think it is, but a full scale CAN hang on the prop. Maybe not be able to climb, but neither did the aircraft that lost the wing. Full scales can sustain level knife edge flight, too, as seen at the end of the "lost wing" video.
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As have I. I've also seen a plane climb vertically, stop, and then climb vertically again. Those are rare.
Look at the video again. Watch when the plane lands. Real airplanes don't bounce like that.
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I agree with Brad that it probably is a RC and that a RC does have the power to weight ratio needed to fly like that. There is no way that is a real aircraft.
If you've seen it, then explain your post above. You make it sounds as if it can't be a real aircraft because only R/C airplanes have those power to weight ratios.
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I fly RC planes and have seen a good deal of very talented flyers. Everything I saw was consistent with an RC airplane (including cinematography), except the pilot getting out. What sets it off for me is not so much the bounce, but the immediate deceleration upon landing. Very consistent with RC airplane landings, and not real airplane landings. Real airplanes have real momentum, and have to coast and brake much longer.
The actual flight and landing doesn't strike me as impossible for an RC plane. I have seen people (talented people, not me) fly pizza boxes before. I have also personally witnessed people land with a missing wing (and half a stab) from combat flying.
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The guy that sent me the link to the pilot interview, if that's what it is, is a 57 YO retired Naval Flight Officer with oodles of flight experience including carrier landings and takeoffs. He says those race planes certainly do have enough power to weight ratio to hang on the prop like that. He thinks it's authentic but that's just another opinion. Ah controversy, ain't it grand? =D
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Take his opinion with a grain of salt. He was an NFO and not a pilot...unless he has civilian ratings, too.
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If you've seen it, then explain your post above. You make it sounds as if it can't be a real aircraft because only R/C airplanes have those power to weight ratios.
Better be careful, bud. Ascerbic challenges like that after only 8 posts as a member have been know to get people's butts handed to them.
Check the attitude at the door. We discuss things here, not argue them.
Brad
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It's a perfectly valid request. Butt handed to me on an internet forum? Please... Oh wow, a ban...and a simple re-register. :cool:
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They can barely hang on a prop, and definitely not hover or maneuver while offsetting the loss of a wing.
That video's as fake as an Obama pro-gun endorsement.
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The textures don't look completely real and if you watch the wheels after the bounce there
is no dirt, dust, grass or anything else coming up.
You can bounce a real plane pretty good but i don't see it scrubbing off speed that fast.
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I take everybody's opinions with a grain of salt. =D
He's pretty knowledgable though and still works in the R&D side of military avioncs. He refers to leading groups of Admirals around on show and tells as "herding cats". :laugh:
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That video's as fake as an Obama pro-gun endorsement.
That's pretty darn fake alright! :laugh:
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It's a perfectly valid request. Butt handed to me on an internet forum? Please... Oh wow, a ban...and a simple re-register. :cool:
Careful, kid. This forum is a bit more "grow'd up" than what you'd probably used to. No one mentioned anything about a ban, although this apparently is a regular enough occurance for you that it was your first thought.
Again, put some brakes on the attitude. I say that out of concern for your delicate sensibilities because we have members that relish in thoroughly, completely, and utterly humiliating newbies who refuse to play by the rules.
Brad
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Watch when he opens the canopy, tell me that's not the guy in the later interview complete with black long sleeve and "Killathrilla" written on it. Looks just like him. Just saying is all... =D
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I say that out of concern for your delicate sensibilities because we have members that relish in thoroughly, completely, and utterly humiliating newbies who refuse to play by the rules.
Brad
[Bruce Lee hand wave] Bring it on, then... [/Bruce Lee hand wave]
"Delicate sensibilities". Puh-leeze. :rolleyes:
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Well, the first thing you can do is take it out of my thread. Go start your own to crap all over. Thanks! =D
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Don't say I didn't warn you.
Brad
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OK
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Well, the first thing you can do is take it out of my thread. Go start your own to crap all over. Thanks! =D
Oh, sorry, I didn't realize you paid money or exchanged other goods to make this "your thread" as a personal possession. ;/
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Made a quick jump over to YouTube and searched "rc plane one wing landing". 50 hits right off the bat. Several of them bore an astonishing similarity to the OT vid, albeit without the additional video tricker allowing a pilot to suddenly step out.
Apparently it happens with some regularity.
Brad
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I harbor absolutely no doubt about this being a fake.
1) Wing rips off and no control cables, tubing, framework, supporting structure, fuel (assuming wet wing) or anything else is visible trailing after the break.
Maybe someone like Fly320s or Avenger29 can correct me if I'm wrong, but:
2) All lift generated by one wing on one side. Instant tumble wing-high over the plane's axis. Likely impossible to counter with aileron on the remaining wing, assuming it even functions after the damage to the control system.
3) The important parts of the video look like every poor quality CGI I have ever seen. It just does not have the look of first pass video taken by a consumer grade or any other camera.
I suspect it is a mish-mash of airshow video composited with RC plane video using consumer CGI on a home PC.
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If you've seen it, then explain your post above. You make it sounds as if it can't be a real aircraft because only R/C airplanes have those power to weight ratios.
The video is implying that a real, full-size, air-racing airplane, with a real, full-size pilot, lost a wing during maneuvers and then that same pilot was able to maintain control and safely land the airplane. I am not contesting that event is possible. It was done with an F15 years ago.
I am contesting the fact that the video is one, continuous video without editing. Un-Photoshopped in other words. The video of the plane losing a wing and landing does not jive with a video of a real aircraft in the same situation. The motions look faked. The landing looks faked and/or of a model aircraft.
Points to consider:
- When the wing comes off, the plane begins to roll into the remaining wing.
- There are no exposed parts, cables, wires, or streaming fluids after the wing detaches.
- The aircraft shown in the landing is much too light (bounces too easily) to be a real aircraft.
- After the landing, when the plane is still rolling, the aircraft is in focus, but the ground immediatly beneath the plane is out of focus. Something has been edited there.
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There's more discussion here: scroll down a bit
http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsiderBlog_ViralVideo_KillaThrill_LostWingLanding_199096-1.html
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And a search on "James Andersson pilot" I did myself reveals nothing. I agree with the guy who said if it was for real it'd be all over the MSM and not generating hits on youtube. Nice fake job though, I guess we can all agree on that.
Yes, I paid for this thread, the check is in the mail. :laugh:
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[Bruce Lee hand wave] Bring it on, then... [/Bruce Lee hand wave]
"Delicate sensibilities". Puh-leeze.
Well, since he was nice enough to ask, it would have been impolite for the staff here not to oblige. ;)
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Awww, what a shame, and on Halloween no less. :laugh:
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It's almost certainly a model airplane edited into real footage. It just doesn't look real. The resolution of the plane doesn't even match the resolution of the background.
Hell, parts of it look like the motion wasn't even real - the bounce looks like it was done, poorly, in some type of animation software. It doesn't really resemble anything I've seen from actual physical objects; it simply decelerates too fast after it hits the ground again.
Oh, and the cheesy voice acting doesn't help to sell it either.
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I still say the plane is 100% CG.
Very poor CG, but 100% nontheless. Even the scene of the pilot getting out slowly was a CG plane.
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What's the giveaway for spotting CGI? I'm not smart enough to tell the difference.
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I don't think it's CGI, at least not until it starts to land.
When it's in the air, it looks just like a toy, plastic airplane.
280: CGI usually has less detail, the lighting isn't quite right, etc. Good CGI is difficult to tell from the real thing; bad CGI is usually fairly obvious.
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It's CGI - he can tell from the pixels and having seen a lot of CGI in his time.
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Sorry, it's hard to describe how to note CG. Just the way it looks and moves (especially when it comes in for a landing) looks VERY artificial to me.
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For me CGI has unreal textures or too perfect textures.
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If you watch the video again, around 37 seconds or so in you can see the missing wing magically reappear.
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I just recalled that something like this actually happened, to a pilot named Neil Williams, in 1970. His left lower wing attachment let go, so he rolled upsidedown, which pushed it back together. He made a normal landing approach and rolled upright at the last second.
http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_failure.htm