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Title: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: Manedwolf on November 03, 2008, 09:46:17 AM
In this interview in 2007, Obama advocated sending “price signals” to middle class consumers in order to “change their behavior.”
As in, increase taxes, fees and the like.

Oh, and he also says that we have to guard against the lower class having to pay more for electricity due to greenhouse caps...by the fact that the middle class, who can afford it, can pay more for electricity.

He said it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueCxeXZAUU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueCxeXZAUU)

We are so screwed if we wins...
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: longeyes on November 03, 2008, 11:31:19 AM
If he wins...President Castor Oil will have thoroughly alienated most people within two years.  Maybe not the underclass but most of the rest.  He has huge Nixon potential this guy.  Think resignation, under duress.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: Mabs2 on November 03, 2008, 11:36:37 AM
I just hope we can recover from whatever damage he does.

But I'm still hoping he doesn't win.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: Don't care on November 03, 2008, 11:52:43 AM
Remember the environmental regulations created just before Clinton left office?

President Bush nipped those pdq.

Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: HankB on November 03, 2008, 01:08:15 PM
What gets me is the odious dishonesty when they pull this newspeak garbage.

"liberal" has become "Progressive" . . . but it still means left wing.

"Contributions" . . . "price signals" . . . they all amount to MASSIVE TAX INCREASES!!!

And of course, these new taxes will require growing government to administer them . . .

 . . .argggghhhh

Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: buzz_knox on November 03, 2008, 01:30:16 PM
If the election were a month away or if the media had actually followed up on this crap a month ago, Obama would be preparing his concession speech now.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: MicroBalrog on November 03, 2008, 01:48:37 PM
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"liberal" has become "Progressive" . . . but it still means left wing.

"Progressive" predates "liberal" as a term. It's back.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: Nick1911 on November 03, 2008, 02:26:14 PM
"Progressive" predates "liberal" as a term. It's back.

"Progressive" conjures up images of forward progress, industrious people making advances, building things, bettering the world with technology...  Progress!

Funny how twisted words are.  I don't see the philosophy of "Progressives" being progress in any sense of the word.  Well, maybe in a strictly temporal sense (As entropy marches on, all truly free societies decay into socialism due to the inherent flaw in how power is distributed - half the country will vote to enslave the other half.)

As a result, about the only way I want the word "Progressive" being associated with me is in the phrase "progressive loading press" or "progressive stamping die".
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: Manedwolf on November 03, 2008, 02:27:21 PM
"Progress" was used a lot by a certain faction favoring the color red early in the 20th century.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: MicroBalrog on November 03, 2008, 02:28:13 PM
"Progress" was used a lot by a certain faction favoring the color red early in the 20th century.

And by guys like Dewey that caused modern schooling and modern big government.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 03, 2008, 03:34:36 PM
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Obama advocated sending “price signals” to middle class consumers in order to “change their behavior.”

I get much more "price signals" from the government, I'll start "changing my behavior" so that I avoid the tax traps entirely.

Like, no excise tax at all on my vehicle's fuel.  I've been toying with building a 100% electric rig from a run-down rice truck.  Have fun taxing the electric charger for that, especially if I run a solar well back at home to collect a charge for it during the day.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: Waitone on November 03, 2008, 05:15:10 PM
In a free market prices are indeed signals to participants as to what is needed.  O'Bama's signals are totally different.  Great example of how to hijack a term and change its definition to suit different purposes.  Just classic.
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: seeker_two on November 03, 2008, 05:50:33 PM
Remember the environmental regulations created just before Clinton left office?

President Bush nipped those pdq.



Then how come we're still forced to use reformulated gasoline?
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: dogmush on November 04, 2008, 02:45:57 AM
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Like, no excise tax at all on my vehicle's fuel.  I've been toying with building a 100% electric rig from a run-down rice truck.  Have fun taxing the electric charger for that, especially if I run a solar well back at home to collect a charge for it during the day.

It's registered right?  We'll just have to add an Alternitave Fuel Surcharge to your tag fee to cover the fuel taxes you're selfishly not paying.  Then we can tax the solar collector....Lets see we'll call it some sort of Hazmat fee for the chemicals in the storage cells.  And a "Living off the grid" tax too, can't let your anti-social tendincies deprive the immigrants of their [free] healthcare.  Keep skipping taxes, and we'll send the BATFET[axes] to collect from your "heavily armed compound" with it's "arsenal of assult weapons and homemade bombs".

Have a nice day, and thank you for supporting your government. =(
Title: Re: They just keep coming...Obama wants "price signals" to "change behavior"
Post by: longeyes on November 04, 2008, 12:19:25 PM
Well, let's hope "President Pavlov" never gets to experiment.

All I can say about today's election is that whoever wins people like us need to realize we must be militant.  We no longer have the option to just do the right thing and watch.