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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: roo_ster on November 04, 2008, 11:11:15 PM
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Am I the only one who doesn't give two s___s about having the "First African-American President?" All these pundits from right to left dribble out these mealy-mouthed words of how wonderful it is.
I. Just. Don't. Effing. Care.
But, I guess I am hopelessly old-school, thinking that issues, character, experience, and the like ought to be the criteria.
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I was noticing just how jubilant the network talking heads are over the whole thing. Fair and impartial huh? (yes, I know that train left the station a loooong time ago).
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The only good that will come of this, is that I don't have to drive to Chicago tommorow to bring the Sis in law home due to rioting....
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The only good that will come of this, is that I don't have to drive to Chicago tommorow to bring the Sis in law home due to rioting....
I wouldn't count on that, if I were you.
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The only good that will come of this, is that I don't have to drive to Chicago tommorow to bring the Sis in law home due to rioting....
Don't count on it. The "youts" riot when their team wins too, remember?
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Considering that segregation was in force in some parts of the country not even 50 years ago, this is a historic day. It makes me a little proud, even if I disagree with the man himself.
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The only good that will come of this, is that I don't have to drive to Chicago tommorow to bring the Sis in law home due to rioting....
Do it anyways. Better to regret wasting your time than to regret not doing it.
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Considering that segregation was in force in some parts of the country not even 50 years ago, this is a historic day. It makes me a little proud, even if I disagree with the man himself.
And it does have an effect all its own: his skill in managing the campaign to this point will discredit all those who claim that politics must be infused with race. This win helps to put to death the notion that any successful black politician will always be a "black politician" in the sense of the Jacksons; Obama has proved that now you are able to lead an entire party (and a country) like anyone else, regardless of skin color.
That's a good thing.
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Considering that segregation was in force in some parts of the country not even 50 years ago, this is a historic day. It makes me a little proud, even if I disagree with the man himself.
How can you be proud of the blight on people's ability to judge by the content of character?
How can you be proud of the MSM failing to present an ounce of background on this man's policy record or voting history?
How can you be proud of this man's weasel-like manner to avoid presenting his birth certificate?
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How can you be proud of the blight on people's ability to judge by the content of character?
How can you be proud of the MSM failing to present an ounce of background on this man's policy record or voting history?
How can you be proud of this man's weasel-like manner to avoid presenting his birth certificate?
What he said, and then some...
Is it anything be proud of that we elected a HORRIBLE President, even if he is black?
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And it does have an effect all its own: his skill in managing the campaign to this point will discredit all those who claim that politics must be infused with race.
Where have you been the past year?
BHO played the race card early & often. And his surrogates & supporters played it constantly.
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Considering that segregation was in force in some parts of the country not even 50 years ago, this is a historic day. It makes me a little proud, even if I disagree with the man himself.
Just a reminder that 50% of the population is of below median IQ. And many of them vote.
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Where have you been the past year?
BHO played the race card early & often. And his surrogates & supporters played it constantly.
Well, he was accused of playing it (I think he struggled to avoid it because it is a loser of an issue) by some conservative commentators.
But whether you think he did or did not, there is no question that he didn't play Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton politics. This campaign was of a totally different character. That's why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are basically local politicians, and Obama is the President.
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I've never been less proud of my nation as I am now. If enlisted men could resign, I would do so. I will never follow that man. Never.
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Interesting to see Jackson there with crocodile tears. Does he have an onion in his pocket his used?
I thought he "wanted to rip his ____ off?"
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America has spoken. Not my choice, but that is America. My state went with McCain. That is about all I can do.
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I don't give a whit about his color. I find his socialist/marxist beliefs offensive. He managed to hoodwink enough folks who have seen the country lose its way in the past 4 - 6 years. Dig in, all politics is local. The game starts over tomorrow. Work to get the folks that you agree with elected locally, and then move up and out.
Never give up... Fight! Stand Up and fight! (from McCain's speeches). As this tide came in, it will go out.
Jeff B.
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Well, he was accused of playing it (I think he struggled to avoid it because it is a loser of an issue) by some conservative commentators.
But whether you think he did or did not, there is no question that he didn't play Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton politics. This campaign was of a totally different character. That's why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are basically local politicians, and Obama is the President.
He used it against the Clintons before he used it against any Republican. His campaign issued many missives claiming racism when McCain would criticize some aspect of BHO.
He may not have gone all "hymietown," or instigated a riot that got innocent people killed, but he played the race card enough to fray it at the edges.
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Well, he was accused of playing it (I think he struggled to avoid it because it is a loser of an issue) by some conservative commentators. But whether you think he did or did not, there is no question that he didn't play Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton politics.
He said that Republicans would try to scare voters by saying he didn't look like past presidents and had "a funny name." So, yes, there is no question that he DID play the race card.
Regardless of how often Obama mentioned race personally, it will be hard to judge how much his success depended on racial politics.
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He said that Republicans would try to scare voters by saying he didn't look like past presidents and had "a funny name." So, yes, he most certainly DID play the race card.
Regardless of how often Obama mentioned race personally, it will be hard to judge how much his success depended on racial politics.
I suppose then the articles which preceded Obama's comment on "scare tactics" which claimed Obama was a Muslim and featured a snapshot of him wearing some African pajamas, and all the other rumor mill about Obama's religion, were also part of playing the race card?
If commentary on Obama's name and "funny look" are racist politics, it would seem that the right beat Obama to the punch by a wide margin.
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Um, Muslim isn't a race. Obama doesn't "look like a Muslim" (which is to say, he doesn't resemble the Arab stereotype). And his own campaign admitted that it was a racial remark. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/Story?id=5495348&page=1
But nice try to change your argument when caught with your pants down. No one's saying there weren't accusations made about Obama's race or religion. The question is whether Obama tried to falsely make himself the victim of racism, to his advantage, and he clearly did. Your response does nothing to refute that, it only tries to move the goal post.
I'd like to know where you saw this talk of his alleged Islamic faith, in the context of his remarks. From the video that I'm able to find, he was claiming that his opponents' only possible mode of attack would be to assail him for his race, name, lack of patriotism, etc. He was dishonestly claiming that his opponents would make race the central thrust of their arguments. So, yes, he was undoubtedly playing the race card in at least those instances
Obama's election will no doubt be very meaningful to those (mainly Blacks) who still thought race was a major hurdle to success in national politics. On the other hand, Obama's divisive politics and hateful mockery of basic American principles will be corrosive to many white Americans' feelings toward other Blacks.
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Obama's election will no doubt be very meaningful to those (mainly Blacks) who still thought race was a major hurdle to success in national politics. On the other hand, Obama's divisive politics and hateful mockery of basic American principles will be corrosive to many white Americans' feelings toward other Blacks.
The fact that a black man has become president means that race-preferential affirmative action is no longer needed and can be immediately stopped, right?
Ha ha ha.
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Well, race won't help him now.
Obama's challenge is to not be the first--and last--African-American to be President. If he fulfills his glorious Marxist potential he will queer the image for a generation at least.
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Unfortunately the same unwholesome devotion the media has for him, which got him elected, will be used to paint any criticism of his failures as racism. And it will probably be just as effective.
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The fact that a black man has become president means that race-preferential affirmative action is no longer needed and can be immediately stopped, right?
Ha ha ha.
I know it's a dark night, and you're drowning your sorrows in something strong and bitter.
But I suspect you may not have understood what I said.
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Um, Muslim isn't a race. Obama doesn't "look like a Muslim" (which is to say, he doesn't resemble the Arab stereotype). And his own campaign admitted that it was a racial remark. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/Story?id=5495348&page=1
But nice try to change your argument when caught with your pants down. No one's saying there weren't accusations made about Obama's race or religion. The question is whether Obama tried to falsely make himself the victim of racism, to his advantage, and he clearly did. Your response does nothing to refute that, it only tries to move the goal post.
Okay, I bolded premise one. Then I italicized premise two. You're acknowledging that Obama was the victim of accusations based on his race or religion....but then saying that he "falsely made himself the victim" of both those things when he responded to....accusations based on his race or religion? How does that work?
Were those accusations about his race and religion made, or not? And how does responding to such things in a way that doesn't even use the word "race" constitute "falsely making himself a victim"?
Your whole argument is flawed here because you're taking one remark of Obama's which applied quite squarely to some of the criticism being leveled against him at the time, and then concluding that Obama was therefore "playing the race card" against the entire McCain machine. Considering that he spent most of his time hammering McCain directly on economic issues, that is patently false.
The few times that he did mention his looks or beliefs are, apparently, unwarranted baiting because....he was supposed to just not respond at all to the fairly widespread belief that he was a secret Muslim? Or because of the racist rhetoric that came alongside it, including the much shopped photo of Obama in african garb? Which of those two things was Obama not supposed to say anything about, and what of his comments constituted a disproportionate focus on race and religion in comparison to....what was actually said about his race and religion by others?
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I just plan to be bitter and cling to my guns and religion....
...America has spoken....and now it's gonna get what it deserves...
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It makes me a little proud, even if I disagree with the man himself.
Proud? My countrymen, your countrymen just elected a freaking socialist in everything but name to the highest position in the land.
And I don't care if that socialist is white, black, blue, green, or a one eyed one horned flying purple people eater.
Americans who voted a socialist into power should be ashamed they were to stupid to look past his color, and those who did what they could to avoid it should feel sadness for their country.
I'm going to work now, gotta get a head start on my 'civic duty' to spread the wealth around. Wouldn't want to be selfish.
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Well, them that wanted him got him. Hope they choke on him! They best start practicing how to point the finger at the reflection in the mirror.
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SS:
You ignore the daily press releases where BHO & Co. played the race card for criticizing some non-race-related aspect of BHO or his record.
Or, you're just being dishonest.
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So, how long before buyer's remorse sets in? I say it hits early. Probably next summer.
As "historic" as this may be for blacks, I think it was the worst thing that could have happened. The odds of another black man getting elected after BHO does his best to destroy this country are slim to none.
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Well, he was accused of playing it (I think he struggled to avoid it because it is a loser of an issue) by some conservative commentators.
But whether you think he did or did not, there is no question that he didn't play Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton politics. This campaign was of a totally different character. That's why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are basically local politicians, and Obama is the President.
He didn't play the Jackson/Sharpton role because they were doing it for him. He led from on high while they got in the mud and declared that not voting for Obama would show you were racist and would be punished.
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Well, race won't help him now.
Obama's challenge is to not be the first--and last--African-American to be President. If he fulfills his glorious Marxist potential he will queer the image for a generation at least.
Unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. Many people believe that the government is the answer to their problems. BHO is going to make them more dependent, more reliant on government.
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The odds of another black man getting elected after BHO does his best to destroy this country are slim to none.
I doubt by the time the next black guy makes it to a presidential race people will associate performance with the skin color of the last guy. I am pretty sure from here on out that skin color will be seen as irrelevant. I think the same would be true if a women was elected to president and failed, no one would blame her gender for the failure.
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Must resist temptation to break oath re: shootinstudent...
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You want to know why I'm proud of America this morning, despite having Obama win when I did not want that to happen? The government of this country was effectively overthrown yesterday, without a shot being fired. People waited in line for hours to cast a vote, one way or the other, and were not killed for casting that vote. A black man was elected president some 40 years after Martin Luther King, Jr. was killed for fighting for freedom and equality despite race.
Do I like the outcome? Nope. But we come here on this and other boards and often lament the shrinking freedoms we all enjoy. Yesterday was a day in which the most basic of those freedoms was exercised by a large percentage of Americans. So, we can be saddened by the losses. We can stand vigilent and work hard to safeguard our freedoms. We can be shocked that this man was the winner (52/46 - closer than some may have thought). But, we should still be proud of Amrica, where real freedom in the democratic sense was demonstrated to the world again.
God Bless America.
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You want to know why I'm proud of America this morning, despite having Obama win when I did not want that to happen? The government of this country was effectively overthrown yesterday, without a shot being fired. People waited in line for hours to cast a vote, one way or the other, and were not killed for casting that vote. A black man was elected president some 40 years after Martin Luther King, Jr. was killed for fighting for freedom and equality despite race.
Do I like the outcome? Nope. But we come here on this and other boards and often lament the shrinking freedoms we all enjoy. Yesterday was a day in which the most basic of those freedoms was exercised by a large percentage of Americans. So, we can be saddened by the losses. We can stand vigilent and work hard to safeguard our freedoms. We can be shocked that this man was the winner (52/46 - closer than some may have thought). But, we should still be proud of Amrica, where real freedom in the democratic sense was demonstrated to the world again.
God Bless America.
Do you have any idea how much voter fraud went on?
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Not yet.
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Do you have any idea how much voter fraud went on?
Do you have any proof, proof that it actually mattered (beyond simple ethics), and proof that there wasn't similar fraud that gave us 8 years of Bush? Hard, verifiable numbers...
If not, then give it a rest. You're starting to sound like the right-wing version of the Dems from the past 8 years. "Blargh Obama Blarghhhh". Do something productive or shut the hell up.
Chris
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Do you have any proof, proof that it actually mattered (beyond simple ethics), and proof that there wasn't similar fraud that gave us 8 years of Bush? Hard, verifiable numbers...
If not, then give it a rest. You're starting to sound like the right-wing version of the Dems from the past 8 years. "Blargh Obama Blarghhhh". Do something productive or shut the hell up.
Chris
ACORN isn't proof enough? They didn't even bother to conceal it.
And again, my state was just taken by tax and spend liberals, and we just lost the country to a marxist. Some of us are a little bitter about that, and know that once the "fairness doctrine" is made law, there will be a lot LESS we can do.
I already get accused of being a "racist" for not liking Obama.
And so WHAT if I sound like that? I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault.
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...America has spoken....and now it's gonna get what it deserves...
Word.
I have never been a big fan of the intellignece of the American voter, but my disgust is at an all-time high now.
Sawdust
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maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault.
They're already experienced. They bitched, whined, and moaned incessantly for 8 years under Bill Clinton.
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Well, let's see.
I told people the truth about what was going on. I told them the truth about Obama, about hard work and free enterprise.
The Dems LIED. Lie lie lie.
And as Twain said, a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth gets done tying its shoes.
What can you do, in that circumstance? =(
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ACORN isn't proof enough? They didn't even bother to conceal it.
And so WHAT if I sound like that? I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault.
McCain lost by several million and a very large number of EC votes. It was hardly close. A couple hundred thousand either way would not make a difference. Frankly, I'm not interested in acting like a petulant child or seeing the crying baby "mascot" become our own. I plan to find ways I can make a real difference, I suggest you do the same.
Chris
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"I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault."
And that does what, exactly?
Brings you down to their level?
What a great place to be, and really constructive. I'm seeing that here at my office this morning, with the "gracious" exhortations of Obama supporters. :rolleyes:
I've already been in touch with my new Congressman, Gerry Connolly. A thoroughly likable guy I've know for many years but who is, unfortunately, a rather bleeding heart liberal. I've already put into his ear a reinforcement that gun owners are not the root of all evil in this country and that he shouldn't fall into the trap of backing potential feel-good legislation that does nothing to address the real roots of crime and violence and which only impacts law-abiding Americans.
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They're already experienced. They bitched, whined, and moaned incessantly for 8 years under Bill Clinton.
And that's part of the problem. Each cycle, the loser spends their time bitching and moaning rather than trying to fix the problem.
Chris
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And that's part of the problem. Each cycle, the loser spends their time bitching and moaning rather than trying to fix the problem.
Chris
Correct me if I am indeed wrong, but that statement smacks of a belief that our parties are equivalent. Like they get power and we whine, or we get power and they whine. It's all the same. Except that's all wrong. We really are right, and they really are wrong. Their complaints are baseless and false. Ours are not. They really are going to damage the country in ways we can't even imagine.
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Again, though, the disheartening thing is that I try to fight by providing truths. About everything, about why we're a free market, why that's good, why you can't take from people who endeavor to work hard and give to people who don't...what that does to any incentive to actually work and better one's self.
The Democrats have no problem making up absolutely boldfaced lies that sound good. Total lies. They even know they're lies, but they put them out anyway.
And people believe those lies, because they sound good, and sound more fun than the reality of the truth.
If you have ethics and can only tell the truth about things, how DO you fight people who lie as naturally as breathing, when so much of the population is willing to believe every lie?
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"I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault."
And that does what, exactly?
Brings you down to their level?
What a great place to be, and really constructive. I'm seeing that here at my office this morning, with the "gracious" exhortations of Obama supporters. :rolleyes:
I've already been in touch with my new Congressman, Gerry Connolly. A thoroughly likable guy I've know for many years but who is, unfortunately, a rather bleeding heart liberal. I've already put into his ear a reinforcement that gun owners are not the root of all evil in this country and that he shouldn't fall into the trap of backing potential feel-good legislation that does nothing to address the real roots of crime and violence and which only impacts law-abiding Americans.
Ah, he's my new Congresman as well. I was thoroughly disappointed that Fimian lost and genuinely afraid of what Connolly would do. Perhaps he won't be as nutty as I am expecting.
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I just plan to be bitter and cling to my guns and religion....
...America has spoken....and now it's gonna get what it deserves...
Yep. Mencken was right. "Democracy is the theory that holds that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
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Gerry was my supervisor when I first moved to Virginia. I met him not long afterwards. He was pretty anti-gun and was open about it.
Over the years I and a number of other people were able to work on him, to get him to at least partially change his views.
He was pretty shocked one day several years ago when he found out that a number of people in his office were gun owners and regularly carried concealed handguns and yet, despite the proximity, he hadn't been perforated multiple times.
Unfortunately, and despite our best efforts, he never quite got over his irrational fear of those with CCWs, and kept lobbying to get the state to allow the county to exclude legally concealed handguns from county libraries and rec. centers.
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"The Democrats have no problem making up absolutely boldfaced lies that sound good. Total lies. They even know they're lies, but they put them out anyway."
And the Democrats aren't the only ones who practice this kind of "progressive" political strategy.
Lots of blatant crap comes from all sides.
Look, you're obviously distraught. Take a day off and do something you enjoy.
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And that's part of the problem. Each cycle, the loser spends their time bitching and moaning rather than trying to fix the problem.
Chris
Agreed.
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shootinstudent,
Obama made the remarks more than once. He specifically claimed that the only thing his opponents would say about him was that he was non-white, had a foreign name, and was not patriotic. In one iteration of the charges, he named McCain and Bush as his opposition. He said this despite that fact that the McCain campaign did not make his race or religion an issue, and he had reason to know that they would not do so. By inflating the race issue to a prominence it never really had, and placing it in the mouths of the innocent, he was playing the race card. Fact. Done. Give up.
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A long time ago, I thought there would indeed be some redeeming value in finally breaking the color barrier in the Oval Office. And indeed that might have some mild benefit.
But the more I think about it, the more I realize that that Oval Office color barrier has been disintegrating for decades, and Obama's campaign had already shown it's utter irrelevance. And the more I realize that Obama hasn't done anything Will Smith hasn't done. Or Michael Jordan. Or Colin Powell, or Muhammad Ali, or Sidney Potier, or any number of other Black celebrities. Congratulations, Obama. White people like you. They like you even more than the president with the really low approval numbers and the reverse cult of sacred hatred. Or the old, stiff, slow-moving guy who looks creepy when he smiles, and has spent the last decade alienating his own party. Congratulations, you are a big, black celebrity.
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"I've been hearing that crap for the past eight years, maybe it's time conservatives flipped the tables and constantly remind Democrats that everything wrong with the world must be Barry Obama's fault."
And that does what, exactly?
Brings you down to their level?
Sometimes you have to go down to fight in the basement when they are trying to cut the floor out from under you....
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The government of this country was effectively overthrown yesterday, without a shot being fired.
No, our government was NOT overthrown yesterday.
We had an orderly election. Everyone on the ballot got there through standard accepted processes. The polls took votes in an orderly by-law fasion (a few statistically irrelevant intimidations and stuffings aside). A summary report was made, and a clear winner emerged. Double-checking this, more thorough & complete counts will be made and submitted to Congress for approval. Everyone who won did so by legitimate and lawful means.
There was no "overthrow". Nobody of significant position or number was threatened. Nobody was harmed to persuade or disable choices. No laws were broken.
Yes, administrative & legislative ideology changed significantly, and judicial will likely follow suit. That is not illegal. Despicable, perhaps, but not illegal. Suspicions abound, and vigilance is eternally warranted, but there is no solid grounds for anticipating illegal &/| unconstitutional behavior - nothing warranting lawbreaking in return.
We established an orderly turnover of power according to constitutional law.
Can the "it's a COUP!" crap. I don't like what happened any more than you do, but that doesn't warrant anyone getting hysterical about it.
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I have a feeling that the first time Obama does something to piss off the black community he will cease to be black or even partially black. The oreo and uncle tom daggers will come out in force.
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Come April, some will start realizing they STILL have to pay their own mortgage and gas bills.
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No, our government was NOT overthrown yesterday.
We had an orderly election. Everyone on the ballot got there through standard accepted processes. The polls took votes in an orderly by-law fasion (a few statistically irrelevant intimidations and stuffings aside). A summary report was made, and a clear winner emerged. Double-checking this, more thorough & complete counts will be made and submitted to Congress for approval. Everyone who won did so by legitimate and lawful means.
There was no "overthrow". Nobody of significant position or number was threatened. Nobody was harmed to persuade or disable choices. No laws were broken.
Yes, administrative & legislative ideology changed significantly, and judicial will likely follow suit. That is not illegal. Despicable, perhaps, but not illegal. Suspicions abound, and vigilance is eternally warranted, but there is no solid grounds for anticipating illegal &/| unconstitutional behavior - nothing warranting lawbreaking in return.
We established an orderly turnover of power according to constitutional law.
Can the "it's a COUP!" crap. I don't like what happened any more than you do, but that doesn't warrant anyone getting hysterical about it.
Perhaps I misspoke, or you misunderstood my intention. my point is that the current administration, and that President's party, were removed from power. And, i completely agree with you that this was done in an orderly, legal, and peaceful fashion. No force used to expell those from power, and no force used to keep the power. that is why I am proud of America.
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"Perhaps I misspoke"
Yes, you misspoke.
Overthrow, in the context of a discussion of governments, virtually always has a negative, extralegal, connotation.
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Mea culpa. I was up to 3 at Republican Headquarters making sure I had a job after Jan 1. Brain fry is setting in.
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shootinstudent,
Obama made the remarks more than once. He specifically claimed that the only thing his opponents would say about him was that he was non-white, had a foreign name, and was not patriotic. In one iteration of the charges, he named McCain and Bush as his opposition. He said this despite that fact that the McCain campaign did not make his race or religion an issue, and he had reason to know that they would not do so. By inflating the race issue to a prominence it never really had, and placing it in the mouths of the innocent, he was playing the race card. Fact. Done. Give up.
Again, you're basically crying foul because he responded at all to the rumors floating around, which by some polls were quite widely believed. It was an issue in the campaign-it doesn't matter if McCain's people were the ones doing it or not. You acknowledge that it was an issue, even, but then go on to conclude that Obama should never have acknowledged that same issue. Apparently it's playing the race card for Obama to say the in effect exact same thing that you did, that people said racist things about him during the campaign?
There is absolutely no reason why a candidate can only fairly respond to something said by the other candidate. Yet that is now what appears to be the basis of your claim that Obama "played the race card."
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To repeat myself:
"He specifically claimed that the only thing his opponents would say about him was that he was non-white, had a foreign name, and was not patriotic. In one iteration of the charges, he named McCain and Bush as his opposition."
He was not simply responding to what people had said. He was claiming that the Republican party would focus on his race as the center-piece of his campaign.
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Well, I watched most of his campaign stumps, and the transcripts of those would tend to be more authoritative than the size of your font. He rarely mentioned race, and when he did, it was against unnamed opponents and framed in the "how I look" manner; as far as I can tell he actually only said that a handful of times during the entire campaign.
But look how your argument is morphing-now it's not wrong because he said the same thing you did, it's wrong because in the same speech, he later identified McCain and Bush as his opponents? I guess saying two true things in the same speech, one of which you don't say that often, is "race baiting" now because....wait, missed it again.
This is starting to look like the dreaded "Bush derangement syndrome" continued...
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Boy, I guess the font size didn't help, after all.
It was jfruser who said that Obama played the race card "early and often." I never made that claim. I was simply pointing to those "handful of times," as proof that he HAD done so. He did play the race card, even if sparingly.
But look how your argument is morphing-now it's not wrong because he said the same thing you did, it's wrong because in the same speech, he later identified McCain and Bush as his opponents?
Wrong. He mentioned their names directly before the dollar bill comments.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2008/08/obamas-comment.html
"Nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know." The quotation is taken from a Washington Post transcript.
My argument has been consistent throughout. I can't be blamed if your reading comprehension is limited.
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Don't worry, my comprehension is fine-I think your reliance on blog articles instead of the source material might be part of the problem. The quotes you reposted are the same thing you alleged before...and again, it looks like Obama is simply repeating what you already said in this thread, ie, "no one says racist things weren't said". But that's playing the race card because it was Obama saying it.
I think more than reading comprehension, critical thinking is the skill we should be focusing on here.
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Sigh. Did I not say the quotation was from a Washington Post article? Here it is from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080102970.html?hpid=topnews
"Nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they're going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he's not patriotic enough. He's got a funny name. You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He's risky."
And don't lecture me about critical thinking, after that weak attempt to discredit the transcript because :O it was reposted on a blog!! :O
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I think more than reading comprehension, critical thinking is the skill we should be focusing on here.
:O If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black! You just tried to say fistful was wrong because he quoted from a blog.
It is willfully ignorant to believe that Obama didn't rely on race to win this election. He played the race card, plain and simple. We all saw it. Despite what you may believe, your obfuscation and word twisting does not have the power to change what happened.
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And just for the record, that blog was trying desperately to DEFEND Obama.
Here is your claim, which has been easily refuted by reference to some well-known comments by Obama:
Well, he was accused of playing it (I think he struggled to avoid it because it is a loser of an issue) by some conservative commentators. But whether you think he did or did not, there is no question that he didn't play Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton politics.
Again, I don't claim that race was something Obama talked about a lot, just that he certainly did try to use false allegations of racism to his advantage.
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Locked, at least until this stops being a spitting contest.