Armed Polite Society
Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Bogie on November 05, 2008, 11:09:37 AM
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Platform:
Gay marriage: It's cool that people are saying that they want to be partners for life. Don't make me watch, and PLEASE try to keep the loonies out of the Pride parade this year?
Marijuana legalization: Legalize it all - everything - and slap a use tax on it. That tax goes to education and rehabilitation. Distribute through either liquor stores or pharmacies. Get the meth labs out of the cheap motels, and into industry where the things will be safely regulated. But I suspect that use would drop off when the easy money goes away.
Abortion: If you do it, you live with it. I don't want to hear about it, or pay for it.
Gun control: Require firearms safety training in grade schools. While we're at it, let's also train the population on avoiding household poisons, stupid electrical tricks, show them pictures of nasty accidents, and keep them from staring at the sky with their mouths open while it is raining.
Immigration: Either do it right, or get deported. I have no problem with people who do it right - our population has been kicked out of most countries, and another few won't hurt.
Welfare: If someone doesn't want to work, cut them off, maybe send them to Mexico. If you're not smart enough to figure out how to use a lawn mower, then you can mop floors somewhere. Mops are good.
Middle east: Be nice and talk to the terrorists. That way we know where they are. Then the next time someone does something which harms an American, we kill them. On you tube.
Eliminate crop subsidies for "farm" outfits which hold more than 999 acres. And no, you're not going to get around this by having 23 different 999 acre companies.
Reform the prison system. It's a prison, and it should be run by the guards, not the inmates. No more buggery. Individual small cells. Video cameras everywhere. Shock collars on all inmates. Someone does something, it's zap time.
Oh, and put it in Death Valley, and pack it up and move it every week.
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You got my vote
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I want to be on your Cabinet, either Secretary of the Interior or Secretary of Agriculture.
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Sounds good to me dude, what office are you shooting for first?
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You got my vote ! And believe me, I wouldn't go to one of those Pride Parades if my life depended on it, I have been chastised for trying to explain to some other GLBT people why their shenanigans are counter productive to their whole "cause" but I'm pretty sure they are too busy "Gheying it up" to listen.
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Gun control: Require firearms safety training in high schools.
The Federal government has no authority to establish anything in high schools.
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Get the meth labs out of the cheap motels, and into industry where the things will be safely regulated.
You need to see what a meth-head looks like. It's not safe EVER. Their teeth fall out, they get open sores, they get paranoid, they see shadow people, and they move VERY fast. It turns people into violent animals.
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You need to see what a meth-head looks like. It's not safe EVER. Their teeth fall out, they get open sores, they get paranoid, they see shadow people, and they move VERY fast. It turns people into violent animals.
Yeah, like America's fighter pilots, right?
A lot of truck drivers in Europe do meth, too. Not sure about America.
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Abortion: If you do it, you live with it. I don't want to hear about it, or pay for it.
This is basically saying murder is OK as long as the person being murdered is still inside of another person and isn't quite finished being built yet.
These also happen to be the most defenseless, helpless people in our society.
I'm not OK with this, but your other points don't hit me wrong.
Ben
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Yeah, like America's fighter pilots, right?
A lot of truck drivers in Europe do meth, too. Not sure about America.
Er...speed and other amphetamines are not the same as crystal meth, which is pretty much choosing to kill yourself the first time you use it.
There are no good outcomes from crystal meth. It's just evil.
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same as crystal meth, which is pretty much choosing to kill yourself the first time you use it.
There are no good outcomes from crystal meth. It's just evil.
No, not really. Without going into too much detail, I've known people who have used Crystal Meth on an infrequent basis. They do not match any of your pop culture sourced stereotypes. Not saying it's safe to use or anything I approve of, just that reality is not as cut and dried as your rants.
You really need to cut back on the hyperbole.
Chris
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Marijuana legalization: Legalize it all - everything - and slap a use tax on it. That tax goes to education and rehabilitation. Distribute through either liquor stores or pharmacies. Get the meth labs out of the cheap motels, and into industry where the things will be safely regulated. But I suspect that use would drop off when the easy money goes away.
Perhaps with the addendum that any violent crime committed under the influence of these drugs results in either life imprisonment or death. Maybe only after the first offense if you want to be generous.
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The Federal government has no authority to establish anything in high schools.
Keep your Fed out of my ed.... :P
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No, not really. Without going into too much detail, I've known people who have used Crystal Meth on an infrequent basis. They do not match any of your pop culture sourced stereotypes. Not saying it's safe to use or anything I approve of, just that reality is not as cut and dried as your rants.
You really need to cut back on the hyperbole.
Chris
I'm for legalizing it all, to include meth.
I also recall how "crack is 'worse than heroin' and/or 'the new heroin.' And how "meth is 'worse than crack' and/or 'the new crack.' And let us not forget, how "cheap Mexican heroin is the new crack."
And so on, in drug-war circular logic & propaganda.
MW slightly exaggerates its effects, but not by much.
The studies done on former users show serious changes in how their brains work, electrochemically. The effects look to be like a traumatic brain injury and sometimes mental illness from the outside. Just how traumatic/ill depends on the how heavy & how long the user indulged. These changes are much more severe than those seen after cocaine & heroin use.
So, if we make it easier to use meth, we can expect to see more meth brain-cripples. These folks are pretty damn broke, unhirable, and will be drains on our system.
My hope with the "legalize it all" approach is that quality heroin or cocaine would drive meth out of the market.
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How is this different from the current Libertarian platform?
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How is this different from the current Libertarian platform?
Bogie doesn't come off as a fringe type, no matter what his beard looks like. :lol:
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Bogie doesn't come off as a fringe type, no matter what his beard looks like. :lol:
But does he own a wookie suit?.....
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How is this different from the current Libertarian platform?
The bit about the schools. And the tax on drugs. And not eliminating ALL farm subsidys.
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Platform:
Where do I sign up?
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What about gun control? Will you work to repeal the NFA? Universal CCW?
And how about an ammendment making prostitution legal in all states and pimping illegal?
What about Iraq? Could you just nuke it and be done with it? It'd certainly save us time and money.
You do these things, and you'll have my vote. =D
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You want to legalize prostitution, but not allow them to hire agents or managers?
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No he needs a pink gorilla suit.
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Eliminate crop subsidies for "farm" outfits which hold more than 999 acres.
Eliminate the last nine words of that sentence.
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Ok... but make CMP Director a cabinet level position.
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Eliminate the last nine words of that sentence.
Do you even know why ag subsidies were created in the first place?
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Do you even know why ag subsidies were created in the first place?
Price crises at the end of the WWI + demands by the Populist movement that dated back to the 1890's and reached crescendo with said price crises. (yes, plural).
Next question, please?
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I could never, and will never vote for anyone who supports, even tacitly, abortion.
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Far better plan than any of the recent candidates.
My hope with the "legalize it all" approach is that quality heroin or cocaine would drive meth out of the market.
Pretty much my view - Meth is the equivalent of bathtub/radiator gin. It's dangerous, but will get you high and is manufacturable on the sly from publicly obtained materials.
In a legal environment, I figure that most all of the motel/abandoned house/garage meth labs will go away. That's benefit number 1. Benefit number 2 is that with cheaper, easier to get meth, the Methheads will either regulate their usage a bit better or eliminate themselves quicker.
The way I see it, a lot of the damage the occurs with meth right now is due to the imprecise nature of the manufacturing resulting in impure, contaminated meth, and exposure to the various chemicals and stages used to make it in poorly controlled home labs. Both of which would be more or less eliminated under a 'meth is legal' scenario.
By the same token - I figure the same forces will occur as happened during and after prohibition. During prohibition drinkers tended to shift away from the hard to smuggle beers and wines to more compact, easier to smuggle hard liquers. After prohibition, people shifted back to wine and beer as the most popular drinks, though I believe there has been a lingering of popularity for 'mixed' drinks.
So, on average, people will drift away from things like meth and crack cocaine for other, safer, drugs.
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You want to legalize prostitution, but not allow them to hire agents or managers?
No. I meant the kind of pimp who captures teenage girls, traffics them, and beats them when they don't make enough money.
I think if brothels were licensed like small businesses and hookers were unionized alot of money would get spent in the local community and there would be less disease and exploitation.
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No. I meant the kind of pimp who captures teenage girls, traffics them, and beats them when they don't make enough money.
Thee people are slavers. Pure and simple.
Anybody that utilizes slaves of any kind, whether for prostitution or any other kind of work, is a slaveowner.
Slave-dealers are the worst kind of human filth, ever, below even pedophiles.
Hang them I say.
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Thee people are slavers. Pure and simple.
Anybody that utilizes slaves of any kind, whether for prostitution or any other kind of work, is a slaveowner.
Slave-dealers are the worst kind of human filth, ever, below even pedophiles.
Hang them I say.
Hanging is to quick. Toss them out of the back of a C-130 as high as you can go without them losing consciousness. Probably wouldn't take many for people to catch a clue.
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Well, you take the money out of a lot of things, and you get 'em off the black market. I think with legal meth, there'd actually be fewer users...
As for the folks who don't like one portion of my platform enough to throw the whole thing out... Good luck.