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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on November 20, 2008, 02:46:21 PM
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Okay, so we're all gonna jump on some 75 foot repurposed tuna boat that is sporting a helipad for our Little Bird, bring EBR's/pistols/cutlasses/eyepatches, mount old Ma Deuce up front and head out for the high seas adventures awaiting us off the Somali coast.
Sweet. =D
How are we gettin' gas to make it all the way there? And food?
'Cuz we ain't gonna get let in to any port I know of.
Do we have enough international acquaintances and friends around the world that we can be shuttled in for wenching shore leaves on a rotational basis, and they can bring food, grog and fuel back to us in exchange for our plundered booty?(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.instantsmileys.com%2Fsmileys%2Fpirate-smiley-03.gif&hash=349e4790fa3ce2019bac3db98789569e7b9b5303)
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That tuna boat (smells like tuna...) needs VHF Satcom, so the B-52H can get final course correction on the waypoints prior to IP Inbound.
(You were planning on having some serious close air support, weren't you?) ;)
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If we're registered to the US, can we re-enter US ports with legally owned US weapons?
What US ports are available on "that side" of the world?
Would letters of marque grant us access to the same ports the Navy can pull in to?
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Thing is you need a boat that looks good and easy enough to steal/pirate/forced boarding. Basically surrender the craft then you ambush the pirating bastards when they are with in point blank range. Too much ocean for one ship to go chasing stolen ships.
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First, you put a clay thrower on the stern. A nice one, too. Something that will hold a lot of birds and runs automatically. Then maybe a pulley system on a boom so you can winch out targets to, oh, at least 25 yards or so.
And a bar. Don't forget the bar for the after-hours brag fest where everyone can claim endless rounds of 25/25 skeet and trap, and one-hole 25 yard groups from their pistols.
Brad
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I suggest that the boat is some sort of military surplus, retrofitted to look like an innocent civilian, non-threatening craft. Seems to me that we have a lot to choose from from our navy, since most of it seems to be moth balled/headed for the scrap heap these days. Seriously though, the biggest problem would be finding places to go into harbour to refuel & get more food and water. Not to mention ammo, I figure most countries won't be very excited about the prospects of us running rampant through all the gun shops, asking "Got any incendiary .50 BMG? We need like 4000 rounds of it!"
Also, how the hell would we finance it? Think it would fly to ask for 10% of the total value of the ship & cargo as a reward for finding it and bringing it back? I think quite a lot of folks who operate the shipping lines would scream "Piracy" again when they hear that...
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There could be some places we take port in the money we spend would double their GNP.
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Why don't we just not tell any of the ports we enter that we're carrying weapons? Concealed is concealed, even for Ma Deuce.
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Ma Deuce? We'll need something bigger than a .50USMG.
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We need to ask a friendly shipping company if we can borrow a container ship for a few months. Stop at Dar Es Salaam and quietly let out the word that we have a ship full of AK's and ammo (that way we don't have to add lying to our rap sheet). Continue up the coast around the horn. Lay to near a well-known pirate cove (Arrr.) Turn out the lights, wait for the sound of motor boats. Throw up a starburst and let all hail bust loose. Good times.
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That's an interesting idea. We could just use a ginormous cargo ship as our privateering vessel. We could stock the thing with years worth of food, ammo, fuel, and scotch, all without filling more than a fraction of the hold.
We wouldn't need a friendly port. We could become our own floating port and stay out at sea almost indefinitely.
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Ma Deuce? We'll need something bigger than a .50USMG.
What exactly is this Pirate Expedition supposed to do? Board pirate-owned ships or help retrieve pirate-captured ships? If the former, by all means crack out the howitzers. The Ukrainskis might get ticked off if we sunk another ship full of tanks, or the Saudis if we blew open their shiny new oil tanker.
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Board pirate-owned ships or help retrieve pirate-captured ships?
We can retrieve pirate-captured ships and get paid by the companies discreetly. There is more money in that. All we need is a SCUBA diving assault team who practice CQB and point-shooting all the time, an innocent looking mother-ship, commercial rebreathers, black market weapons and ammo, boarding gear, agents to negotiate with the companies and arms dealers, a good cover story, and alot of free time and money to get started.
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We could stock the thing with years worth of food, ammo, fuel, and scotch,
Or six months worth of food and a year and half of Scotch. :D
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If somebody can help me get a cutlass I can mount as a bayonet on an EBR, I'm in.
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Why don't we just buy a submarine from the Russians. I bet we could get one cheap.
It would be more fun to come up underneath those critters and smash their boat and sink it. Then we could wager on how long it would take the survivors to drown. Or, we could get bus tours of retired folks to pay for the trip. Give 'em free food and let 'em wager on the drownings. They'd be lined up at the dock.
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Have you ever noticed that that inner little boy in you never goes away? =D
TC
ETA: I like that in a man.
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What exactly is this Pirate Expedition supposed to do? Board pirate-owned ships or help retrieve pirate-captured ships? If the former, by all means crack out the howitzers. The Ukrainskis might get ticked off if we sunk another ship full of tanks, or the Saudis if we blew open their shiny new oil tanker.
Killjoy :-P
A .50 has many advantages. It's useful for anti-boat and anti personnel. No big Saudi tanker or Ukrainian freighter is going to be harmed beyond repair from a few little half inch holes :laugh:
But, since you insist, we'll have to add a few Mag-58's to the equation to balance out the overkill that is Ma Duece. :cool:
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Waitaminnit here you guys: anti-piracy is done hand-to-hand with pistols and dirks. Yelling OORAH! as you gut them on THEIR boat.
You guys must all be Air Force. :lol:
TC
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Pikes, don't forget the pikes! :laugh:
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All we need is a SCUBA diving assault team who practice CQB and point-shooting all the time, an innocent looking mother-ship, commercial rebreathers, black market weapons and ammo, boarding gear, agents to negotiate with the companies and arms dealers, a good cover story, and alot of free time and money to get started.
Where is Gecko45 when you need him?
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Where is Gecko45 when you need him?
Amphib wheelbarrow anyone?
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Pikes, don't forget the pikes!
Damn! I hate when I forget basic kit. Thanks, 280!
TC
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Amphib wheelbarrow anyone?
Now we're talking :) (so long as its a tactical amphib wheelbarrow, of course)
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Can we watch aaaaaaaarrrrrrggghh rated movies?
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None of you ever read John Ringo. You need a Hind.
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There was a very interesting article in today's issue of USA Today.
Evidently, the Indian Navy sank that pirate mothership, forcing them to flee in the smaller speedboats it was towing...
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There was a very interesting article in today's issue of USA Today.
Evidently, the Indian Navy sank that pirate mothership, forcing them to flee in the smaller speedboats it was towing...
How far out was the mothership? There's not much range in those runabouts that were left. I wonder if they remembered to bring oars?
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I suggest that the boat is some sort of military surplus, retrofitted to look like an innocent civilian, non-threatening craft. Seems to me that we have a lot to choose from from our navy, since most of it seems to be moth balled/headed for the scrap heap these days. Seriously though, the biggest problem would be finding places to go into harbour to refuel & get more food and water. Not to mention ammo, I figure most countries won't be very excited about the prospects of us running rampant through all the gun shops, asking "Got any incendiary .50 BMG? We need like 4000 rounds of it!"
Also, how the hell would we finance it? Think it would fly to ask for 10% of the total value of the ship & cargo as a reward for finding it and bringing it back? I think quite a lot of folks who operate the shipping lines would scream "Piracy" again when they hear that...
I'm sure we could claim salvage rights on any ship we de-pirated.
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After my time in the Navy maybe I could... acquire, a boat for you guys, :angel: Of course that won't be for 6 years.
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Nice big mortar...
The pirate vessels themselves are largely worthless, and the pelts don't bring much either. I'd just ask for a bounty from Lloyd's or somesuch.
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Can we have a great big catapult that hurls satchel charges or something? Or maybe something that uses compressed air? Or maybe some form of electromagnetics?
Hey Nick? You're our resident mad scientist. Wanna handle this one for us?
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We can retrieve pirate-captured ships and get paid by the companies discreetly. There is more money in that. All we need is a SCUBA diving assault team who practice CQB and point-shooting all the time, an innocent looking mother-ship, commercial rebreathers, black market weapons and ammo, boarding gear, agents to negotiate with the companies and arms dealers, a good cover story, and alot of free time and money to get started.
I'll be happy to take care of the dive team. =D I used to be a salvage diver. I'd love to set up a Draeger. However, I would need some training in CQB and explosives. But hey. If someone would like to send me to one of the best shooting facilities in the country - I would be happy to go. Don't get me wrong - I can quickly put a few holes in a torso and one in the head. But I wouldn't exactly call myself a qualified close quarters afficianado either.
Underwater navigation, rebreathers, demolition, night dives(the water would be to clear in the day, I imagine) Oh, oh. I can't forget the underwater mini-subs that the SEALs use. We gotta get one of those. Or a few. You know - depending on how big the dive team is. I get all excited when I think about UDT. One of my friends was in the Navy for it. I'll have to recruit him too. Hard hat diver. He'd enjoy it.
And for giggles - I can triple up jobs - Navigating, piloting, and diving. Plus I've already spent months at sea. So I am definitely in. All of the seafaring I have done has been in the Carribbean - for work anyway.
Hell. I'm not even workin' right now. But dammit. I am not going on some half-arsed expedition that is underfunded and poorly organized. The sea can be a large, lonely, and unforgiving place. I love the sea. I will not die in it due to some dimwit hangin' everyone's arses out without a sling.
With that said - I am looking for a job. I would be happy to work for free in all the aforementioned capacities. :cool: I'm all ears.
Oh. And it would be very possible to negotiate with Lloyd's due to the nature of their organization. They are not a standard insurance company in the traditional sense.
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Can we have a great big catapult that hurls satchel charges or something? Or maybe something that uses compressed air? Or maybe some form of electromagnetics?
Hey Nick? You're our resident mad scientist. Wanna handle this one for us?
I was thinking Nick could build us some lasers. Frickin' big lasers. Wouldn't that be fun!
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Launch tesla coils at them, little portable ones. =D
Where is a rich billionaire backer when you need one? I can see it now, Richard Branson should start Virgin Kill Pirates.
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I would need some training in CQB and explosives.
There's no better training than OTJ. =D
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Huh does anyone have any recipes for pirate?
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I was thinking Nick could build us some lasers. Frickin' big lasers. Wouldn't that be fun!
Mmm... I would be happy to build the worlds largest CO2 laser.
Perhaps an EMP cannon?
Mortar shells filled with HCN?
How about one of those military style pain beams? Only make the dial go all the way up to "extra-crispy"...
=D
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I suggest that we get the approval of the Feds to operate using a decomissioned Naval vessel, preferably one of the LSD class vessels currently in service:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_landing_ship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dock_landing_ship)
The flight deck would allow us to use some helos for close air support, and also for insertion. The amphibious tail would give us a place to house a few speed boats of our own, preferably some of the go fast boats the Navy Special Warfare Combatant-Craft Crewman:
http://www.sealchallenge.navy.mil/swcc/boats.aspx (http://www.sealchallenge.navy.mil/swcc/boats.aspx)
Also, the amphibious tail end of the LSD's is like a built-in swimming pool, and I'm sure we can put in a grill or two on the flight deck for special culinary operations.
We have enough lawyer types around here to take care of the business end. Call ourselves American Privateers. We'll fund our operations with money from the insurance companies that will pay us for recovering their vessels, and the nations who are having difficulties with these pirates. I'm sure the Saudi oil companies will give us fuel to protect their tankers. Other nations will pay just to have us around for rescue ops. We use these funds to buy supplies and munitions. Ports? After a few successful operations, nations will welcome us with open arms.
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A modifired cargo ship would be best I think. If you look scary they'll leave you alone. Don't forget to get a couple of flamethrowers. Just let them come along side and start climbing the ladder then light 'em if ya got 'em. Maybe rig up a couple of the ships water monitors as flame throwers. 200ft of flaming, sticky death. Ooooooooo yeah. I need a cigarette and a nap now.
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Mmm... I would be happy to build the worlds largest CO2 laser.
Perhaps an EMP cannon?
Mortar shells filled with HCN?
How about one of those military style pain beams? Only make the dial go all the way up to "extra-crispy"...
=D
What can you do with AquaNet and potatoes?
'Cuz that's my budget for this little project. =D
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What can you do with AquaNet and potatoes?
'Cuz that's my budget for this little project. =D
Hmm... that's pretty limited.
I could probably start a land war in Asia. Don't know if that will really help your cause though... :laugh:
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I was thinking Nick could build us some lasers. Frickin' big lasers. Wouldn't that be fun!
We need trained sharks too.
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These 3 ships seem to be pretty cheap. We could have our own task force.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392713-details/For%20sale%20to%20a%20foreign%20navy,%20the%20British%20warships%20that%20could%20have%20saved%20hostages/article.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392713-details/For%20sale%20to%20a%20foreign%20navy,%20the%20British%20warships%20that%20could%20have%20saved%20hostages/article.do)
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I'd go, but you might get sick of me begging for a shore party to go looking for a 20mm Hispano in Bakara Market.
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These 3 ships seem to be pretty cheap. We could have our own task force.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392713-details/For%20sale%20to%20a%20foreign%20navy,%20the%20British%20warships%20that%20could%20have%20saved%20hostages/article.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23392713-details/For%20sale%20to%20a%20foreign%20navy,%20the%20British%20warships%20that%20could%20have%20saved%20hostages/article.do)
zOMG 200,000 pounds a piece?
That's worth buying and living in!
Of course, getting it here to Arizona might be a task. Suppose I could get it portaged to Lake Pleasant?
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What would we call our ship?
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Molon Labe =D
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The APS Oleg Volk. =D
Keep in mind that if we need a mechanic, I get my A&P license in March. =)
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APSS <insert badass name of choice>
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We need two ships. One is the main battle vessel, the other is a littoral ship that has no weaponry aboard at all.
Littoral ship goes to port and stocks up, comes out to international waters to resupply the big dog.
That easy. (that pricey too).
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Radical proposal:
Has anyone considered the use of a derigible?
We could bomb the pirates from above, and refuel/rearm without having to depend on a port of call.
What's the maximum operating range of the Goodyear Blimp?
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We could bomb the pirates from above, and refuel/rearm without having to depend on a port of call.
The real money would be in liberating ships, not blowing up pirates.
The easiest way to do that is have well trained guys swim up with out being seen, board, and shoot the hostage takers. Then we could roar in and blow up the pirate vessels.
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Radical proposal:
Has anyone considered the use of a derigible?
We could bomb the pirates from above, and refuel/rearm without having to depend on a port of call.
What's the maximum operating range of the Goodyear Blimp?
Lol this thread is just getting cooler and cooler by the minute :)
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Radical proposal:
Has anyone considered the use of a derigible?
We could bomb the pirates from above, and refuel/rearm without having to depend on a port of call.
What's the maximum operating range of the Goodyear Blimp?
Mr. Blimp, meet Mr. Shoulder-Fired Rocket. :O
Sawdust
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Mr. Blimp, meet Mr. Shoulder-Fired Rocket.
Heh. The backblast would turn some surviving pirates into peg-legs. Might sink a speedboat. =D
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Mr. Blimp, meet Mr. Shoulder-Fired Rocket. :O
Sawdust
We'll use Fistful as chaffe and evade harm with nary a problem.
The real money would be in liberating ships, not blowing up pirates.
Money? We're in this for altruism! And fun! And to explore the causal relationship between pirates and global warming!
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We would need money to get food and ammo and keep the expedition going.
Besides, who wants to risk their life for fun and not even get paid for doing so? Money serves as the great motivator. Why else would most of you leave your relatively well-paying jobs to become pirate hunters? Whats the fun in being a dirt poor mercenary?
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We'll use Fistful as chaffe and evade harm with nary a problem.
Money? We're in this for altruism! And fun! And to explore the causal relationship between pirates and global warming!
Dude, you just fixed our finance issue! The .Gov gives out grant money to study global worming like candy!
Bogie, can you make us some official looking letterhead to mail them with our hands open??
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Heh. The backblast would turn some surviving pirates into peg-legs. Might sink a speedboat. =D
Not if the back was pointed over the side.
We'll use Fistful as chaffe and evade harm with nary a problem.
Who's warmer, Fistful, or two big engines running two bigger propellors?
And as for RPG threats, Fistful is a realtively small target, and chunks of him wouldn't be solid enough to trigger the detonator.
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How far out was the mothership? There's not much range in those runabouts that were left. I wonder if they remembered to bring oars?
Territorial waters extend about 12 miles from shore. So presumably they were outside that, but the article didn't say just how far outside that.
However, since Somalia lacks a central government nor a navy, not that they could stop another navy from patroling inside that 12 mile belt and dispatching pirates. Good on India.
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You guys are forgetting some important safety aspects of the expedition.
The S.S. Fistful's Folly should have personal flotation devices, and lots of them.
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The S.S. Fistful's Folly
+1 on name, =D
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Not if the back was pointed over the side.
Who's warmer, Fistful, or two big engines running two bigger propellors?
And as for RPG threats, Fistful is a realtively small target, and chunks of him wouldn't be solid enough to trigger the detonator.
RPGs, particularly the kind used by Somali pirates, aren't generally guided.
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Marketing idea...
Have a core crew/cadre, and staff the bulk of the vessel via pleasure cruise ads in Varmint Hunter, Soldier of Fortune, and Gamerz R Us magazines - Charge the cruise guys $250/day (meals paid, drinks extra), and tell them they can bring any darn weapon they own.
End of every cruise, move the cargo containers around, repaint, and reregister.
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The S.S. Fistful's Folly should have personal flotation devices, and lots of them.
Oh yeah... We wouldn't want to flunk a random "safety inspection" boarding by the local Coasties...
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Money? We're in this for altruism! And fun! And to explore the causal relationship between pirates and global warming!
There's nothing casual about the relationship between pirates and global warming my friend. Are we to just believe that the planet heated up when there was a decline in piracy? And now, when it appears to be cooling again we see, you guessed it, an increase in piratism.
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How is it that I "knew" a girl that is exactly the same build/skin tone as the chick on the right of the picture? Hmmmm....Hmmmm???????
LOL. I'm still waiting for a departure date and port. What kind of timeline you guys looking at? :)