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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Manedwolf on November 21, 2008, 12:04:53 PM
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*sits back with popcorn, grinning widely*
NOBODY whines like lefties. They're going to be like bratty children before he even starts.
Obama Throws No Bones to Progressive Base
By Matthew Rothschild, November 19, 2008
When is Obama going to appoint someone who reflects the progressive base that brought him to the White House?
He won the crucial Iowa caucuses on the strength of his anti-Iraq War stance, and many progressive peace and justice activists worked hard for him against John McCain.
So why in the world is he choosing Hillary Clinton to be Secretary of State when she was one of the loudest hawks on Iraq and threatened to obliterate 75 million Iranians?
And it’s not just Hillary.
Obama’s OMB pick, Peter Orzag, is a Clintonite disciple of Robert Rubin.
Obama’s AG pick, Eric Holder, is a Clintonite who represented Chiquita Bananas.
And Larry Summers’s name is still being bandied about for Treasury, even though Summers, while Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, forced the deregulation of our financial markets and imposed disaster capitalism on Russia.
Worse still, heading Obama’s transition team on intelligence matters are two former deputies to George Tenet, of all people. (See Amy Goodman’s great story about this on Democracy Now!)
Look, there are a lot of talented progressives who could be in an Obama cabinet.
Joseph Stiglitz is a Nobel Prize-winner in economics and a critic of corporate globalization. He should be Treasury Secretary.
Senator Russ Feingold is a champion of civil liberties. He should be Attorney General.
Robert Greenstein is head of Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. He would make a much better OMB director.
Arlene Holt Baker, executive vice president of the AFL-CIO, would be a tremendous Secretary of Labor.
And if Obama really wanted change, if he really wanted to honor progressives who backed him early on and then did the grunt work against McCain, he’d nominate Dennis Kucinich as Secretary of State.
That sure would indicate a welcome departure from empire as usual.
But at this point, progressives are getting absolutely nothing from Obama.
http://www.progressive.org/mag/wx111908.html (http://www.progressive.org/mag/wx111908.html)
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nominate Dennis Kucinich as Secretary of State
Or how about ambassador to Botswana ? :D
(ok, I admit - that was a low joke =| )
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anywhere he goes he'll be popular so long as he brings wife
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Senator Russ Feingold is a champion of civil liberties.
That's like saying Robert Mugabe is a champion of the family farmer who embraces diversity. :rolleyes:
Feingold was McCain's partner-in-crime with the McCain-Feingold First Amenedment Repeal Act, aka Campaign Finance Reform.
What nonsense these people spout.
As for Kucinich . . . it's hard to visualize him in any position with actual responsibility.
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I am beginning to entertain minor hopes he's NOT the whacko leftist I thought he was .... :rolleyes:
*!SIGH!*
It's amazing we have people in this country who want us to tack left . . . didn't the collapse of the Soviet Union teach them ANYTHING????
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I respect D. Kucinich far more than I could ever possibly respect Hillary.
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I respect D. Kucinich far more than I could ever possibly respect Hillary.
So do the little green men and Susan Sarandon. =D
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he’d nominate Dennis Kucinich as Secretary of State.
I read that and just about hosed my two monitors with coffee. It would be entertainment, could you imagine him and Biden on some trip to some bumble fart part of the world and the comments the two of them would make together on camera to some foreign witch doctor dignitary in a loin cloth with a bone in their nose?
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McCain-Feingold First Amenedment Repeal Act, aka Campaign Finance Reform.
What nonsense these people spout.
'S what I'm sayin'. ;/
As Mark Levin put it, he's picking Clinton goons because he doesn't know anybody else. He's still wet behind his big ears.
On the other hand, the whole thing is a little silly. Where is a left-wing Democratic president going to find Secretaries and staff that haven't worked for large corporations, or don't have ties to the last Dem. president? Should he hire a bunch of people that no one has ever heard of, and are as green as he is? Of course not. That might be actual change of the Sarah Palin variety.
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And Larry Summers’s name is still being bandied about for Treasury, even though Summers, while Clinton’s Treasury Secretary, forced the deregulation of our financial markets and imposed disaster capitalism on Russia.
Can he be persuaded to impose disaster capitalism on America?
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It's amazing we have people in this country who want us to tack left . . . didn't the collapse of the Soviet Union teach them ANYTHING????
They figure the USSR only collapsed because they weren't in charge.
See, all it takes for Communism and Socialism to succeed is putting the right people at the helm. ;/
(The scarey thing is, I'm convinced that some of them really believe this bovine excrement.)
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lets not forget there are many right wing whackos too. and very visible
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lets not forget there are many right wing whackos too. and very visible
What does that have to do with anything? Or the article mentioned? Absolutely nothing?
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lets not forget there are many right wing whackos too. and very visible
Do you mean guys like Klansmen?
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a wide variety of flavors
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a wide variety of flavors
Let's put it this way - unless you're talking hatemongers and Klansmen, I'd rather have JBS 'wackos' in charge than RINOs. I believe a lot of people on this forum will agree with me.
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Let's put it this way - unless you're talking hatemongers and Klansmen, I'd rather have JBS 'wackos' in charge than RINOs. I believe a lot of people on this forum will agree with me.
How about you two start your own thread to complain about "right wing wackos", because C&S seems to be trying to derail this one for some reason I can't begin to fathom.
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It's because they're wackos. :P
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Should he hire a bunch of people that no one has ever heard of, and are as green as he is?
Why not? If people want change, give it to them. With his hair trigger temper, Russ Feingold would make a fine secretary of state. Barbara Streisand might be an interesting choice for secretary of defense. Sally Fields played a farmer in a movie or two, so put her in charge of the department of agriculture. And, since George Soros pretty much bought the presidency, why not let him buy the country by making him treasury secretary?
That's Change You Can Believe In (if you believe in armageddon).
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Why not? If people want change, give it to them. With his hair trigger temper, Russ Feingold would make a fine secretary of state. Barbara Streisand might be an interesting choice for secretary of defense. Sally Fields played a farmer in a movie or two, so put her in charge of the department of agriculture. And, since George Soros pretty much bought the presidency, why not let him buy the country by making him treasury secretary?
That's Change You Can Believe In (if you believe in armageddon).
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Though I don't think what we're really getting is going to end up much better.
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Do you mean guys like Klansmen?
Most folks don't perceive any threat from the kluxers, despite SPLC and others' attempts to puff up that paper tiger clown hat. Kinda like Abe Foxman of the ADL finding anti-semites under every bed...but ignoring those anti-semites who are, you know, actually dangerous and expressly killing Jews for being Jews.
There are right wing wackos, but the right wing of America is not as tolerant of its wackos as the left is, as there is no right-wing corollary to "No enemies to the left.". They get run out of polite company and marginalized quickly. Bill Buckley set the standard back in the 1950s and early 1960s: no anti-semitic or racist or anti-American types in mainstream American conservatism.
Some thought he was not selective enough and gave some good folks their walking papers. I think they have a point, but nobody else was willing or able to do the necessary housecleaning.
The thing about the JBS-ers is that they may have some conspiracy theory tinfoil hattery, but it is of a fairly harmless sort. Commies in the gov't? Well, investigate & find them out. And, since there were a lot of commies in the gov't, maybe less tinfoil and more, uh, "leather hattery?" And if we pull out of the UN, what are the material repercussions? Fewer subsidized third-world, anti-American socialists speechifying on our dime and fewer children raped for food by UN-sponsored soldiers.
Left-wing wackos end up pumping up the state, imposing regulations, and passing crazy laws. And then make it illegal (as in "hate crime") to criticize their leftist project.
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Most folks don't perceive any threat from the kluxers, despite SPLC and others' attempts to puff up that paper tiger clown hat. Kinda like Abe Foxman of the ADL finding anti-semites under every bed...but ignoring those anti-semites who are, you know, actually dangerous and expressly killing Jews for being Jews.
Thank you, that's what I meant.
There are two kinds of right-wing wackos - the kind of people like Kluckers, who are personally evil and disgusting, but not really relevant, and guys like JBS who have been forcibly run out of the mainstream by the combination of media pressure and guys like Buckley purifying the ranks.
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I should really note here that the Klan is hardly a right wing organization. It was founded by southern Democrats who opposed just about everything Republican. About the only "right-wing" policy they advocated for was opposion to labor unions. They also were supposedly anti-communist, but that's similar to how Mussolini was anti-communist. The reason a lot of people mistake them for "right wing" is that, like the facsists, they supported a different brand of totalitarianism than the communists. They're only less leftist.
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How about you two start your own thread to complain about "right wing wackos", because C&S seems to be trying to derail this one for some reason I can't begin to fathom.
It's what he does...
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gee, what a surprise...Obama turned out to be the trojan horse of the entrenched democrat establishment instead of an agent of change...didn't see that one coming ;/ :laugh:
I'm still not sure if that is good or bad =|
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I should really note here that the Klan is hardly a right wing organization. It was founded by southern Democrats who opposed just about everything Republican. About the only "right-wing" policy they advocated for was opposition to labor unions. They also were supposedly anti-communist, but that's similar to how Mussolini was anti-communist. The reason a lot of people mistake them for "right wing" is that, like the fascists, they supported a different brand of totalitarianism than the communists. They're only less leftist.
And the fact that people see white southern racists and immediately think "backwards republican". They're image of all that is correct is a "progressive" college educated pacifist sitting in a Starbucks in San Francisco. Anything that is the opposite of that image they brand as stupid republicans, even if they have no idea what their beliefs really are.
The standard of "Republican" is one that they have imagined, not one that really is. They see Republicans as racist, even though it was Republicans who lead the charge against slavery and for civil rights. It's their caricature of Republicans they use as a standard for measuring real people. So it's no wonder they would make the obvious mistake of assuming that a racist organization like the Klan must be right wing. It fits what they want to believe to be true, not how things really are.
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even though it was Republicans who lead the charge against slavery and for civil rights.
was eisenhower a republican? johnson?
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was eisenhower a republican?
Yes, Dwight D. Eisenhower, the guy who promoted the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and started school integration was a Republican. ;/
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"was eisenhower a republican? johnson?"
Yes, Eisenhower WAS a Republican. Pick up a book once in awhile. Or at least hit Wikipedia.
As in two-term Republican president of the United States.
In fact, Eisenhower also used Presidential executive orders to combat segregation and racism.
From AfricanAmerican.com:
Eisenhower therefore issued executive orders ending any segregationist practices that remained in the District of Columbia, in the military, and in the U.S. Government bureaucracy. He was the first president to appoint a black, Frederic Morrow, to an executive position on the White House staff. Eisenhower's record of achievement in the civil rights field was sufficiently impressive that he gained considerable support among black voters when he successfully ran for reelection to the presidency in 1956.
And keep warping farther back in time than the 1950s/60s and you'll find very different picture of the Democratic and Republican parties.
It was, by and large, Richard Nixon's reluctance to meet with Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King that really started turning the tide against Republicans as being the progressive party on race in the United States.
Kennedy made a major coup when he had highly publicized meetings with King.
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son of a gun! i owe ya one! i had taken someone elses word and not checked this is gonna be good stuff