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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Manedwolf on December 01, 2008, 01:45:48 PM
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Read the whole article. Ban players from owning guns? Stricter gun laws? They'd still be able to hunt? What?
Time for Leagues to Do Something About Players With Guns
By John Feinstein
Special to The Washington Post
Monday, December 1, 2008; 12:32 PM
The New York Giants won an important football game yesterday, throttling the Washington Redskins 23-7 on the Redskins' home field. The victory raised New York's record to 11-1, all but assured the Giants of a division title and put them in excellent position to wrap up home-field advantage for the NFC playoffs.
Of course, the lead story in all the New York papers today had nothing to do with the Giants' victory. The New York Times, hardly known for sensationalism, led its sports page with the following headline: "Burress to Surrender to Authorities."
That's because Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress walked into a New York nightclub on Friday night carrying a gun and somehow managed to shoot himself in the leg. News reports indicate he wasn't licensed to carry the firearm.
Burress already had a hamstring injury in the same leg, which was going to keep him out of Sunday's game. But apparently, he felt no need to stay off the leg and rest so that he might be able to play this coming week in another key game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
The easiest thing in the world today would be to focus on what a moron Burress is. He's a moron for allegedly carrying an unlicensed gun into a crowded bar, endangering himself and others. He's a moron because he signed a five-year, $35 million contract at the start of this season and then was suspended for one game for failing to show up for practice and team meetings -- and not bothering to tell anyone.
But that really isn't the issue. Athletes say stupid things (ever hear of John Rocker?) and do stupid things (this list is endless) all the time. The real issue -- once again -- is athletes and guns. The most interesting and chilling quote of the weekend came from Giants President John Mara, who spoke about the Burress incident before Sunday's game and about players and guns.
"Players, for whatever reason feel the need to carry guns," Mara said. "It's not something we're particularly pleased about, but that is the choice that they make. You'd like to think that most of them are licensed to do that, but I'm not sure that's always the case."
Most likely, it is not the case more often than not. Burress reportedly had an expired license to carry a gun in Florida, but not New York or New Jersey, where he lives. If he felt he was unsafe going to the New York club two questions arise: Why go there? And, if you think you need protection wherever you go, at $7 million a year, why not hire bodyguards?
This isn't about safety, it is about arrogance. The fact that Burress, according to Giants General Manager Jerry Reese, hadn't returned his phone calls, tells you how arrogant he is. The sad part is, he'll get away with what he did. He's already hired a high-powered lawyer who yesterday asked people to withold judgment "until the facts come out." What facts? Did he not carry a gun he wasn't licensed to carry into a crowded bar? Please.
Before this is over, Burress will not only get off but he'll have people painting him as some kind of victim. Consider this quote from Giants center Shaun O'Hara: "He's a teammate and there's going to be enough people trying to bring him down. We're here to support him."
Fine, support him. But the only person who brought Burress down was Burress.
At the root of incidents like this is a simple fact: athletes -- and many others -- own guns not because they feel unsafe, but because they like them. They like owning them and talking about them. When the PGA Tour announced that random drug testing in players' homes was possible, Frank Lickliter, a long-time tour player -- and hothead -- responded by saying that drug testers make house calls would be greeted by him -- and one of his guns. Most players thought that was a hoot, old Frank would sure show the Tour, shooing drug testers off his property with a gun.
Two days after Burress's shooting, the Washington Redskins staged yet another maudlin tribute to the late Sean Taylor, who was shot and killed in his own home a year ago by young men carrying guns they apparently had no trouble getting their hands on. The re-writing of Taylor's life story since his death has been remarkable -- Nelson Mandela and Jackie Robinson had nothing on him if you watch, listen to and read media reports in Washington -- but that's a separate issue.
One year ago it was written here that if Dan Snyder and Joe Gibbs really wanted to see some good come from the tragedy, they would use their money and influence to lobby for stricter gun laws. Of course, that never happened. Gibbs went into a series of evangelical rants about how Taylor's death was saving souls on the Redskins and Snyder simply staged one ceremony after another -- all the while inviting the likes of Rush Limbaugh to sit in his box.
So let's forget about anyone connected with the Redskins doing anything about guns. What about the NFL? Mara noted that the league is aware of the issue and has discussed it with the player's union. With the owners re-opening the collective bargaining agreement, maybe now is the time to make guns an issue the same way Major League Baseball owners made drug testing an issue in the wake of the embarrassing Congressional hearings on the subject three years ago.
The owners and players should agree that players can't own handguns. That won't prevent players who like to hunt from hunting. If a player feels unsafe for any reason, he can ask his team to provide security -- all NFL teams have good-sized security forces, most of them retired law enforcement officials -- or they can hire their own security guards.
Now, let's not start screaming about the Second Amendment. To begin with, the amendment should be abolished -- a sensible interpretation of the amendment is that it was written to allow the people to raise a militia for protection and to hunt for food. Clearly no one needs to raise a militia these days, and those who hunt for a living can be licensed to do so. :O :O :O
It would be nice if President-elect Obama had the time to focus his energies on repeal of the Second Amendment, but he first has to deal with a broken economy and the incredibly wrong-headed war started by his predecessor. What's more, the issue of gun rights causes almost as much screaming from the right as abortion rights, the irony being that those yelling the loudest about the right to life are usually those yelling almost as loud about their right to carry weapons that kill.
The Second Amendment isn't going to be abolished any time soon. That should not prevent the NFL -- and all sports leagues -- from taking handguns away from their players. It is no more unconstitutional to say players can't own guns than it is to say they must be subjected to drug testing when there is no evidence they have used drugs, or saying they can be fined for speaking their mind about officiating.
So let's not use the constitution as an excuse. If the NFL owners are concerned about guns -- and they should be -- they need to make the union understand why it is important that it be concerned, too. Baseball, basketball and hockey should do the same thing. The leagues need to do something about their players and their guns.
In all likelihood though, nothing will happen. People will scream about the Second Amendment and safety. Neither of which has anything to do with what happened to Plaxico Burress last Friday night.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/01/AR2008120101335_2.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/01/AR2008120101335_2.html)
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I skimmed through it and it hurt my mind.
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Manifestly a moron of the first water.
Selah.
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An article on the Dallas Morning News website describing a push for open carry in Texas was followed by a blurb about gun violence which included anecdotes about "assault-style" rifles purchased in the U.S. and used for gang murders and assassinations in Mexico and Latin America.... ;/
The illogic is stupefying.
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I wholly support the Dems pushing for a repeal of the 2nd. let them show their true colors instead of putting on camo and talking about how their Dad was a hunter every time they want to get elected.
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An article on the Dallas Morning News website describing a push for open carry in Texas was followed by a blurb about gun violence which included anecdotes about "assault-style" rifles purchased in the U.S. and used for gang murders and assassinations in Mexico and Latin America.... ;/
The illogic is stupefying.
Like they need to purchase "assault-style" rifles here when they can get all they want of assault rifles down at the local market. Sheesh.
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The Second Amendment isn't going to be abolished any time soon. That should not prevent the NFL -- and all sports leagues -- from taking handguns away from their players. It is no more unconstitutional to say players can't own guns than it is to say they must be subjected to drug testing when there is no evidence they have used drugs, or saying they can be fined for speaking their mind about officiating.
[sincerity] So refreshing to know the spirit of Stalin is alive and well. [/sincerity]
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The easiest thing in the world today would be to focus on what a moron Burress is. He's a moron for allegedly carrying an unlicensed gun into a crowded bar, endangering himself and others. He's a moron because he signed a five-year, $35 million contract at the start of this season and then was suspended for one game for failing to show up for practice and team meetings -- and not bothering to tell anyone.
The article should have ended right here.
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It is no more just as unconstitutional to say players can't own guns [as] it is to say they must be subjected to drug testing when there is no evidence they have used drugs,...
Fixed it for him.
...or saying they can be fined for speaking their mind about officiating.
Fixed that one, too, and: It's not a Constitutional matter. Players work for their teams. The teams are part of the league. League rules say it it's not to be done.
So much for this asshat's arguments.
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So once again they blame an object and not a person's stupidity/constitution for firearm related crimes.
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So once again they blame an object and not a person's stupidity/constitution for firearm related crimes.
Responsibility is SOOOO outdated. Haven't you heard? Sheesh ;/.
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The author is an unthinking idiot.
Repeal the 2nd Amendment?
Uhhhhh...
Can you say Bill of Rights?
I daresay some states would tell the US Goverment to pound sand if any of the BOR's got repealed.
I'm pretty sure Montana would.
Not positive but I'd give even money that my state of Oklahoma would too.
TX- maybe.
Who knows? What I do know is that repealing the 2nd would start a fire that just might burn out of control.
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Anybody besides me notice that more and more sportscasters these days are metrosexuals ?
It's getting so bad I find myself pulling against their favorite teams just to listen to them cry on Monday morning.
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Anybody besides me notice that more and more sportscasters these days are metrosexuals ?
Any one else notice the entire society going this way? Male role models in America used to be tough guys like loggers, miners, fire fighters, and iron workers. Men that enjoyed a good steak and a cheap beer. Male role models, even many sports figures, are pretty boy metrosexuals these days. They prefer vegan dishes and mixed drinks.
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...and mixed drinks.
What about a proper gin Tom Collins? Hardly a mixed drink so much as a gentleman's cocktail. I usually have one or two with a good steak. =D
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Margaritas are manly ! =D
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Margaritas are manly ! =D
Only if it's just straight tequila and lime on the rocks.
If you freeze anything, it's a girly froo-froo drink.
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...and mixed drinks.
The Manhattans that I love are highly flamable when I make them.
So are my vodka martinis.
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Only if it's just straight tequila and lime on the rocks.
If you freeze anything, it's a girly froo-froo drink.
That's close to my recipe: 1/3 tequila, 1/3 triple sec, 1/3 fresh squeezed lime juice; on the rocks.
But only the manliest of triple secs. =)
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I'M A LUMBERJACK AND THAT'S OK
I SLEEP ALL NIGHT AND WORK ALL DAY
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Put down the drink, before the umbrella pokes your eye out ! :police:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Feinstein
John Feinstein is an American sportswriter and sports commentator. He is a columnist for Chapin Times the Washington Post, an author, is a guest commentator on NPR, and does color commentary for United States Naval Academy (aka "Navy") football games. He is also a frequent contributor to The Tony Kornheiser Show and The Jim Rome Show.
Personal life
Feinstein currently resides in Potomac, MD, and Shelter Island, New York, with his wife, son, and daughter.
Controversies
Feinstein was one of many news/media members who rushed to judgment during the 2006 Duke University lacrosse case. He stated on the Jim Rome Show, aka the Jungle, (an international syndicated sports talk show) in May 2007, "I think they're guilty of everything but rape" and "I really don’t want to hear that they’re victims and martyrs, and that their lives have been ruined." Feinstein, who in March 2006 had demanded the revocation of the scholarships of every Duke men's lacrosse team member, and who (against the findings of the Coleman report) continued to describe the team as "out-of-control," added "I don't think I've been proven wrong.".[4] All charges against the accused were later dropped; Mike Nifong, who prosecuted the case, was disbarred for his criminal misconduct in the case; and Duke is currently facing at least two lawsuits as a result.
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Any one else notice the entire society going this way? Male role models in America used to be tough guys like loggers, miners, fire fighters, and iron workers. Men that enjoyed a good steak and a cheap beer. Male role models, even many sports figures, are pretty boy metrosexuals these days. They prefer vegan dishes and mixed drinks.
Link (got plenty of language in it), on the Tromix website... click on "Shits and Giggles" and scroll down to "This Country was Made Great By Drunk White Men"
http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm (http://www.tromix.com/Welcome.htm)
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If we are going to start changing the Bill of Rights, let's start by restricting the 1st Amendment's application to only those with an intellect greater than that of a turnip. That would, of course, eliminate this individual's ability to be a journalist, but think of the brain cells we'll save by never reading another of what passes for his thoughts.
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Any one else notice the entire society going this way? Male role models in America used to be tough guys like loggers, miners, fire fighters, and iron workers. Men that enjoyed a good steak and a cheap beer. Male role models, even many sports figures, are pretty boy metrosexuals these days. They prefer vegan dishes and mixed drinks.
From John Wayne to Wayne Brady in three generations.....where have all the cowboys gone?....
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Hmmm. Well. Bummer. I screwed up here.
I didn't express what I was thinking about sports writers. I meant to say that more and more of them are stooges for the liberalMedia. I don't know why I made a mental leap somewhere in the subconscious to assume they were metrosexuals. And, I have no quarrel with metrosexuals, especially if they're gunnies ! :cool:
1) I hear sports casters making racist remarks, referring to people from the midwest or south as morons, rednecks, trailer trash, etc.
2) I hear them criticizing athletes for being shooters or for owning guns.
3) I hear them terrified to suggest that certain black football coaches, with dismal records, be fired. Rather than be called a racist, they blame the previous coach (previous as in four years previous) for not recruiting well, and they castigate radio callers who point out the obvious after inviting listeners to call in with their opinions.
4) They deride players on local pro teams if those players don't kiss up to the sports media.
Sorry about the way I originally expressed my disgust with sports casters.
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If mocking metrosexuals is wrong, I so don't wanna be right...
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If mocking metrosexuals is wrong, I so don't wanna be right...
I reserve the right to mock anything and anyone.
Thank you for listening, please return to your usual jeering.
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If mocking metrosexuals is wrong, I so don't wanna be right...
There are bigger fish to fry. Choose your battles wisely.
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Any one else notice the entire society going this way? Male role models in America used to be tough guys like loggers, miners, fire fighters, and iron workers. Men that enjoyed a good steak and a cheap beer. Male role models, even many sports figures, are pretty boy metrosexuals these days. They prefer vegan dishes and mixed drinks.
I read an article a couple of years ago, I seem to recall it came from the LA Times by way of the Atlanta fish-wrapper, marveling that "successful" women were choosing to co-habit and even *gasp!* marry "traditional" males - men who make a living by building things (carpenters, ironworkers), making things work or fixing them when they don't (mechanics, electricians, plumbers) or saving lives (firemen). I got the impression the writer, one of those "successful" women herself, couldn't understand why these other "successful" women felt the need to marry beneath themselves.
I guess she never learned that just because a man works with his hands it doesn't mean he's a dummy.
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Hmmm. Well. Bummer. I screwed up here.
I didn't express what I was thinking about sports writers. I meant to say that more and more of them are stooges for the liberalMedia. I don't know why I made a mental leap somewhere in the subconscious to assume they were metrosexuals. And, I have no quarrel with metrosexuals, especially if they're gunnies ! :cool:
1) I hear sports casters making racist remarks, referring to people from the midwest or south as morons, rednecks, trailer trash, etc.
2) I hear them criticizing athletes for being shooters or for owning guns.
3) I hear them terrified to suggest that certain black football coaches, with dismal records, be fired. Rather than be called a racist, they blame the previous coach (previous as in four years previous) for not recruiting well, and they castigate radio callers who point out the obvious after inviting listeners to call in with their opinions.
4) They deride players on local pro teams if those players don't kiss up to the sports media.
Sorry about the way I originally expressed my disgust with sports casters.
My dad told me he was watching one of the sports shows several years ago and was appalled to hear the all-black panel discuss and agree that Larry Bird wasn't really a great player, he was just a pretty good player who got a lot of press attention because he was white. The only thing I could think of to say was that maybe they oughta call up Earvin Johnson and ask him about that.
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There are bigger fish to fry. Choose your battles wisely.
I think men obsessing over their appearance, getting mani-pedis and waxing and whatever-the-hell-else is an unacceptable trend. The feminization of men in Western society is a significant problem, and I refuse to just accept it.
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I think men obsessing over their appearance, getting mani-pedis and waxing and whatever-the-hell-else is an unacceptable trend. The feminization of men in Western society is a significant problem, and I refuse to just accept it.
There is now backlash advertising. The low saturation period photo look is awesome fun to do.
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I'm just a dumb and old Okie... =D
What the hell is a MetroSexual? Is that code for emasculated/feminized American male or something?
Sounds like more fallout from the Politically Correct Speech revolution. (control what people say and you control what they thing and therefore how they act).
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^That is a Metro-Sexual.^
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^^^^^^^^
So what you're saying is that Metro-Sexual is just a nice way of saying FAG?
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So what you're saying is that Metro-Sexual is just a nice way of saying FAG?
No. They can be straight.
But they get pedicures and body waxing, and might cry after sex. They would not order black coffee, they would order a fat-free half-decaf soy latte, but only if it's organic. Chardonnay, with specifics of year and region rattled off from memory, never a whiskey straight up. They would rather buy a deconstructed suit (looks like one just rolled out of bed) than a power tool. If an accident happened, they would not rush in to help, but would be sure to capture it on their phone to post to their Facebook...they could get hurt otherwise! They would not carry a gun, but would probably scream like a schoolgirl if someone pulled one out, even if was in defense of them.
The closest historical approximation would be European fops of the 17th and 18th centuries.
It's not the sexual orientation, it's that one is supposed to be an oversensitive pansy instead of a man.
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The closet [closest?] historical approximation would be European fops of the 17th and 18th centuries.
Spot on.
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Fops? How dare you sah! (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yHzH_Nw-ntY)