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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Grandpa Shooter on December 02, 2008, 11:16:14 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/12/02/airport.security/index.html
Guess I won't be flying anywhere any time soon. I thought the TSA was off base for making me take off my cowboy boots because I couldbe hiding a terrorist in them. This goes way past that!
Keep your shoes and belts on -- waiting in long airport security lines to pass through metal detectors may soon be a thing of the past.
Airport security checkpoints like this one may become opportunities for screeners to study passengers' intentions.
1 of 2 Security experts say focus is shifting from analyzing the content of carry-ons to analyzing the content of passengers' intentions and emotions.
"We are seeing a needed paradigm shift when it comes to security," says Omer Laviv, CEO of ATHENA GS3, an Israeli-based security company.
"This 'brain-fingerprinting,' or technology which checks for behavioral intent, is much more developed than we think."
Nowhere is the need for cutting-edge security more acute than Israel, which faces constant security threats. For this reason, Israel has become a leader in developing security technology.
Several Israeli-based technology companies are developing detection systems that pick up signs of emotional strain -- a psychological red flag that a passenger may intend to commit an act of terror. Speedier and less intrusive than metal detectors, these systems may eventually restore some efficiency to the airplane boarding process.
One firm, WeCU (pronounced "We See You") Technologies, employs a combination of infra-red technology, remote sensors and imagers, and flashing of subliminal images, such as a photo of Osama bin Laden. Developers say the combination of these technologies can detect a person's reaction to certain stimuli by reading body temperature, heart rate and respiration -- signals a terrorist unwittingly emits before he plans to commit an attack.
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I bet there'll be people arguing that air travel is not a right, and by agreeing to it you implicitly agree to have your mind's contents looked through.
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Are they going to give us each two cents as we pass through ? =D
What if I am imagining what the passenger in front of me would look like naked ??? :P
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If they're going to ban people with emotional strain from flights, that rules out people who are late for flights, people who have kids with them, and businesspeople under stress.
Plus, terrorists could just take narcotics that make them calm.
Stupid.
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This means they are going to be pulling everybody for deeper screening...ever been not stressed out while traveling commercial air?
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Will wearing aluminum foil on my head counter the wicked
alien's TSA's ability to read my mind?
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If they're going to ban people with emotional strain from flights, that rules out people who are late for flights, people who have kids with them, and businesspeople under stress.
I dunno - I would be far less stressed if I was carrying my .357 with me. :laugh:
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Hmmm... The local FBO has a newer Mooney for rent at $150 per hour. It's looking pretty cheap these days!
jb
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I dunno - I would be far less stressed if I was carrying my .357 with me. :laugh:
Well, I might've projected my own wishes to this, but...Keep your shoes and belts on -- waiting in long airport security lines to pass through metal detectors may soon be a thing of the past.
Could it be they are doing away with metal detectors? If so, carry all that you want, and remain in a zen-like state of calmness :laugh:.
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"It is possible today to hijack an aircraft using only five or six able-bodied passengers who are well-trained in Kung Fu fighting," he says. "There is no technology in place in airports to detect a threat like that.
Only if they're fast as lightning.
That's a little bit frightening.
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Yeah, they would have to act very fast these days, most people would go nuts and whoop some butt if their plane was being hijacked.
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I guess now terrorist will have to recruit hijackers from the ranks of poker players, politicians, lawyers, cops, and anyone else who lies regularly to make a living. =D
Israel does the low tech already, trained screeners chat up suspect passengers to get a read on their emotions.
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Will wearing aluminum foil on my head counter the wicked alien's TSA's ability to read my mind?
According to a study at MIT, you must be sure to put the shiny side in. The dull side absorbs the rays and makes you invisible. The shiny side in, diffuses the thought reading rays and directs them to ground.
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I didn't like flying when I had too...
I don't like the idea of it now....
Does anyone remember George Carlin's rant about Airport Security?
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I could live with this -- IF it meant all the other ridiculous "security" were dispensed with. And I mean all of them: no metal detectors, no bomb sniffing dogs, no swab tests, no x-ray. Just get on the plane. Then, and only then, would "seeming nervous" mean something.
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Hmm. In the intelligence communities, it is well known that you can take certain drugs prior to a polygraph exam that greatly increases your chance of passing. The polygraph measures blood pressure, sweating and respiration. Some drugs can suppress all of these responses. I wonder if these proposed new countermeasures could also be defeated by pharmaceutical means.
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What if you have no moral or emotional problems with killing infidels? What if the thought of killing infidels actually calms or pleases you?
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What if you have no moral or emotional problems with killing infidels? What if the thought of killing infidels actually calms or pleases you?
Why yes! Yes, it does! :laugh:
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What if you are late for a flight and hold a no-refund ticket? The loss of $700 for no reason would add a little stress to me.
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If they're going to ban people with emotional strain from flights, that rules out people who are late for flights, people who have kids with them, and businesspeople under stress.
And thus, airline flights become on-time, and amazingly peaceful as the passengers can nap contentedly and the flight attendants don't get groped. =)
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Israel does the low tech already, trained screeners chat up suspect passengers to get a read on their emotions.
The Israelis don't have any monopoly on this, and it beats me why anyone wants to run to them and "Athena GS3" for our security matters. Our intelligence people studied this stuff going back to the years of the OSS. Then and since many agencies train people accordingly, even many police departments. It's nothing new.
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LAK: Because a lot of people in your country believe Israelis are somehow inhumanly awesome at security and HT. This means absolutely anything even vaguely security and hi-tech related will sell like hot cakes if it has 'Israel' branded on it. I've seen guys make money off this simple fact.
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Will wearing aluminum foil on my head counter the wicked alien's TSA's ability to read my mind?
According to a study at MIT, you must be sure to put the shiny side in. The dull side absorbs the rays and makes you invisible. The shiny side in, diffuses the thought reading rays and directs them to ground.
Have you actually seen the study? (http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/) I'll not be wearing any aluminum foil, thank you very much.
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The Israelis don't have any monopoly on this, and it beats me why anyone wants to run to them and "Athena GS3" for our security matters. Our intelligence people studied this stuff going back to the years of the OSS. Then and since many agencies train people accordingly, even many police departments. It's nothing new.
When's the last time an El-Al plane was hijacked?
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When's the last time an El-Al plane was hijacked?
2002 last attempt.
But... would you WANT to fly El-Al when you had a choice?
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Successful hijacking, I mean.
And yes, I would. Because they keep dangerous people off the plane, not dangerous bottles of conditioner. Because they do the forbidden thing called profiling, which is (gasp) effective.
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Well, most people who actually live in Israel disagree with you, for what it's worth. El-Al has terrible service and overpriced tickets. Their head is still in the day they were a state-owned company.
And if you think they will let bottles of conditioner on the plane, I have a surprise for you.
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According to a study at MIT, you must be sure to put the shiny side in. The dull side absorbs the rays and makes you invisible. The shiny side in, diffuses the thought reading rays and directs them to ground.
Have you actually seen the study? (http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/) I'll not be wearing any aluminum foil, thank you very much.
I just read the story. According to the research, the conclusion lies in a better helmet design. :angel: Perhaps this one will work?
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Well, most people who actually live in Israel disagree with you, for what it's worth. El-Al has terrible service and overpriced tickets. Their head is still in the day they were a state-owned company.
That doesn't sound any worse than the major American carriers.
Air travel sux, period. Government attempts at security only make it worse.
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That doesn't sound any worse than the major American carriers.
Air travel sux, period. Government attempts at security only make it worse.
Well, people here have been fleeing towards Arkia. Or, better yet, European airlianes.
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Manedwolf
When's the last time an El-Al plane was hijacked?
When was the last time any plane with an armed crew was hijacked?
It is certainly not because of their prowess at detecting potential hijackers at the gates using simple observation.
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It is certainly not because of their prowess at detecting potential hijackers at the gates using simple observation.
they do quite a bit more than simple observation......but you knew that right?
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Just think happy thought citizens. Puppies, flowers, kittens... =)
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It is certainly not because of their prowess at detecting potential hijackers at the gates using simple observation.
they do quite a bit more than simple observation......but you knew that right?
Well yes. The whole thing about the El-Al people somehow avoiding the intrusive searches that TSA is famous for is a myth. And I've flown El-Al, so I know.
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Well yes. The whole thing about the El-Al people somehow avoiding the intrusive searches that TSA is famous for is a myth. And I've flown El-Al, so I know.
Anal probing; not just for aliens anymore.....
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Keep huffing that carbon monoxide.
It protects you from the mind reading rays. :laugh:
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Keep huffing that carbon monoxide.
It protects you from the mind reading rays. :laugh:
You just can't let that go can you? Must not have much of a life.
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Does anyone remember George Carlin's rant about Airport Security?
Yes. How about Henry Rollins'? "Airport Hell", I believe.
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You just can't let that go can you? Must not have much of a life.
"Nothing to see here...move along."
:police: <--- Life Cop
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LAK: Because a lot of people in your country believe Israelis are somehow inhumanly awesome at security and HT. This means absolutely anything even vaguely security and hi-tech related will sell like hot cakes if it has 'Israel' branded on it. I've seen guys make money off this simple fact.
Yep, I see that all the time.
Hey, I admire a tough son of Abraham as much as any guy, but please stop with the "Oh, its Israeli, so its double-bad-ass." (See: Krav Maga and "Israeli Carry")
I mean, they haven't exactly been going up against the Waffen SS or Patton's Third Army, lo these many years*.
* Not ot denigrate the very substantial accomplishment of the survival of the country of Israel in the face of near-universal hostility in the ME.
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You just can't let that go can you? Must not have much of a life.
See the little :) following it?
It's called a JOKE.
I'm sure that somewhere, lying around either your trailer, or perhaps out under one of the bushes on your property, you'll be able to find your sense of humor.
You obviously misplaced it somewhere along the way.
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LAK: Because a lot of people in your country believe Israelis are somehow inhumanly awesome at security and HT. This means absolutely anything even vaguely security and hi-tech related will sell like hot cakes if it has 'Israel' branded on it. I've seen guys make money off this simple fact.
ooooh, a business plan! thanks!
;-)
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Yes, ditch the metal detectors, and use tactics like this. :police: =D :police: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0)
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It's called a JOKE.
You mean, like my paycheck after FICA and taxes???? :O
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You mean, like my paycheck after FICA and taxes???? :O
No, rape is never a joke.
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On one flight to Las Vegas I was behind one lady that got pulled aside at the last second, oh if they could only have read my mind that day. Poor deformed young thing... I am not a dirty old man, I showered this morning.