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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Harold Tuttle on December 08, 2008, 05:15:41 PM
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http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article
As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."
But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores.
"Prior to his campaign for president, his record as a state legislator and as a U.S. Senator shows he voted for the most stringent forms of gun control, the most Draconian legislation, gun bans, ammunition bans and even an increase in federal excise taxes up to 500 percent for every gun and firearm sold," Arulanandam said.
Obama answered "yes" in 1996 to a questionnaire from an Illinois group on whether he supported a handgun ban. But he later said a staffer filled out that answer and he did not support a ban.
Nationally, background checks for gun purchases jumped nearly 49 percent during the week Obama was elected, compared with the same time period last year, according to the FBI's National Instant Background Check System.
Anecdotally, gun dealers around the country have reported spikes in sales. The Illinois State Rifle Association Reports gun sales for November were 38 percent higher than last year.
"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.
"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."
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We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."
Horse's ass.
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:rolleyes:
Obama can say what he wants, but the writing is on the wall, and gun owners know it.
"common-sense gun safety laws" == no EBR, no pistol, no CCW
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Trust a socialist parasite? Might rain silver dollars, too.
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"Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."
I would ... if his "word" wasn't so blatantly, utterly, and completely contradicted by his deeds.
Brad
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He's already going back on just about every promise he made to his disciples...er, followers. Why should we believe him?
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"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.
"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."
So Peter do you only have one set of clothes, one pair of shoes and one writing pen? Well you analogy about firearm ownership would apply to that also.
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He is being honest. Think about what "common sense regulation" means to him.
Think about how things are in Chicago. That's his common sense model to follow.
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I know one friend who bought his first pistol and is going for his concealed permit.
I know another who had a few guns and went ahead and pulled the trigger for AR's and is looking at pistols.
Every time I have been in gun stores the last couple months, I almost always see a wife or other person asking questions such that they sound like they don't own one and are looking to buy. So IMO, it is not just existing gun owners doing all the buying.
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I know one friend who bought his first pistol and is going for his concealed permit.
I know another who had a few guns and went ahead and pulled the trigger for AR's and is looking at pistols.
Every time I have been in gun stores the last couple months, I almost always see a wife or other person asking questions such that they sound like they don't own one and are looking to buy. So IMO, it is not just existing gun owners doing all the buying.
The only bad thing about that is that there's lots of people without any training buying stuff, and they really...really need to take a class. The ones asking where the bullets go, covering everyone in the store, all that.
Because they're the ones who are going to have an ND, and they're the ones who are going to be used by the Obamatons as proof that guns in the home are too dangerous and cause tragedies.
I really, really wish the NRA would put out an ad campaign of "Getting a gun? Get educated." to prevent that. Show someone getting into a car for the first time, driving the wrong way into traffic and all that, and then talk about the responsibility of owning a gun. Convince people to take a class.
As for Obama? Just remember he wants us to be good international citizens.
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Remember what that means.
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Dude that's just not.... right or something. I feel dirty inside now.
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Reply to the OP:
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Obama: Don't stock up on guns "
Me: "Don't you wish..."
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Obama: "Don't stock up on guns."
The unsaid parts:
"It will just make it more difficult for us when we come to take them away."
or
"It will have just cost you more when they are all banned and you have to turn them in."
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Obama says not to stock up on guns. What better encouragement could there be?
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That picture made me cringe a bit inside. All those innocent firearms, and no-one there to save them! =(
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"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment"
That statement right there makes me VERY fearful of what this idiot is going to try to do.
"I think people can take me at my word."
Uhm... you're a politician. No way in hell will I ever take you at your word.
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sweet, nothing to worry about :rolleyes:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1318968,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article
cool comment section!
As gun sales shoot up around the country, President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment," Obama said at a news conference. "Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear. I said that throughout the campaign. I haven't indicated anything different during the transition. I think people can take me at my word."
But National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it's not Obama's words — but his legislative track record — that has gun-buyers flocking to the stores.
"Prior to his campaign for president, his record as a state legislator and as a U.S. Senator shows he voted for the most stringent forms of gun control, the most Draconian legislation, gun bans, ammunition bans and even an increase in federal excise taxes up to 500 percent for every gun and firearm sold," Arulanandam said.
Obama answered "yes" in 1996 to a questionnaire from an Illinois group on whether he supported a handgun ban. But he later said a staffer filled out that answer and he did not support a ban.
Nationally, background checks for gun purchases jumped nearly 49 percent during the week Obama was elected, compared with the same time period last year, according to the FBI's National Instant Background Check System.
Anecdotally, gun dealers around the country have reported spikes in sales. The Illinois State Rifle Association Reports gun sales for November were 38 percent higher than last year.
"We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence.
"Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more."
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Is it just me or does a lot of the guns in that picture look like regular hunting rifles and stuff? :O
"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment"
lol, the way he worded it seems to make it imply as if he knows that "common-sense" gun laws are anti-2A.
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Someone beat ya to it. http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=16674.0 :P
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Is it just me or does a lot of the guns in that picture look like regular hunting rifles and stuff? :O
lol, the way he worded it seems to make it imply as if he knows that "common-sense" gun laws are anti-2A.
Wouldn't surprise me. After all, that which is just your old mans .30-06 deer rifle to you, is "OMG EBIL SNIPER RIFLE" to the gun haters.
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Evidently the good O hasn't figured out the difference between words and actions.
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Evidently the good O hasn't figured out the difference between words and actions.
No, he just assumes us lowly peasants were born yesterday, that we don't check voting records, that we don't check newspaper archives and such. I bet that he honestly thought he'd actually get away with it...
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President-elect Barack Obama said Sunday that gun-owning Americans do not need to rush out and stock up before he is sworn in next month.
So who is he trying to convince and why?
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http://www.gunowners.org/pres08/obama.htm
According to GOA, actions speak louder than rhetoric
Barack Obama's Gun-Related Votes in the U.S. Senate
Supporting concealed carry for citizens
Anti-gun
Banning many common semi-automatic firearms
Anti-gun
Disallowing self-defense in towns where guns are banned
Anti-gun
Imposing one handgun a month restriction
Anti-gun
Requiring lock up your safety trigger locks
Anti-gun
Protecting gun dealers from frivolous lawsuits
Anti-gun
Outlawing gun confiscations during a national emergency
Pro-gun
Squelching the free speech rights of gun owners
Anti-gun
Restricting the interstate sales of firearms
Anti-gun
Repealing the gun ban in Washington
Anti-gun
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http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
On the Issues has this:
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
A: "As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it."
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: "I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don't have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets."
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns."
Actually, Obama's writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama's campaign said, "Sen. Obama didn't fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views."
Q: You said recently, "I have no intention of taking away folks' guns." But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: "Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it's important for us to recognize that we've got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people's traditions."
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: "I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You've got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you've got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets."
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in 2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When queried him about the vote, he said, "I didn't find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms."
It wasn't until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: "You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now."
"I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair."
Illinois Senate Debate, Oct 21, 2004: "Let's be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban."
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
* Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
* Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
* Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test, Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
* Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
* Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
* Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
* Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
* Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
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"I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, and I believe in the second amendment"
That statement right there makes me VERY fearful of what this idiot is going to try to do.
Mitt Romney also said he believed in the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons . . . in one sentence. :rolleyes:
I believe in common-sense gun safety laws, too . . . for example, even if he has the money, I don't believe an unaccompanied 8-year old ought to be able to simply walk into a gun shop and buy guns and ammo. I'm quite sure that if he had his way, Obama would substitute "anyone" for "unaccompanied 8-year old."
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An 8 year old walking into a gun store and buying a gun? Well, only if he takes his older brother, age 10. =D
My father bought his first firearm over the counter, a Stevens .22, at age 12 in Bloomington, Indiana. He purchased his first pistol at 15 with a note from my grandfather (Indiana had a law that one had to be 16 to buy a pistol, but this was often ignored if the parent said it was O.K.).
Obama has told me that we need to find a "reasonable compromise" on guns. The problem being that he believes Chicago is that reasonable compromise.
As to Barry's latest Ant Hill Directive, too late, I've been panic buying since 2004. =D
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[quote Mitt Romney also said he believed in the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons . . . in one sentence. :rolleyes:/quote]
Hank, I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that from the Fox debates. That one statement lost him any chance of ever getting my vote.
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As to Barry's latest Ant Hill Directive, too late, I've been panic buying since 2004.
I've been doing that too, ever since AWB-I started pushing up daisies. Neat thing is, I've also helped wake up other folks to the situation and "sponsored" some additional EBR and evil hi-cap pistol owners.
Do we have a similar acronym to EBR for wundernines and their like? Obviously it wouldn't apply to the 1911, but there has to be a magic acronym for the Glock 17, Springfield XDm, CZ-75 and their "ilk." =D
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Do we have a similar acronym to EBR for wundernines and their like?
I've heard DA/SA pistols nicknamed "Crunchentickers" . . .
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An 8 year old walking into a gun store and buying a gun? Well, only if he takes his older brother, age 10. =D
My father bought his first firearm over the counter, a Stevens .22, at age 12 in Bloomington, Indiana. He purchased his first pistol at 15 with a note from my grandfather (Indiana had a law that one had to be 16 to buy a pistol, but this was often ignored if the parent said it was O.K.).
Obama has told me that we need to find a "reasonable compromise" on guns. The problem being that he believes Chicago is that reasonable compromise.
As to Barry's latest Ant Hill Directive, too late, I've been panic buying since 2004. =D
Those times sounds like wonderful times indeed!
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Those times sounds like wonderful times indeed!
When I was that age I could have ordered most any gun through the mail. :)
Getting it past my mom would have been another problem ... :rolleyes:
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When I was that age I could have ordered most any gun through the mail. :)
Getting it past my mom would have been another problem ... :rolleyes:
What!? You had a parent "supervising" you and making sure you didn't do anything she would disapprove of!???
That's downright tyrannical!!
Thankfully we don't put up with that crap anymore.
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When I was that age I could have ordered most any gun through the mail. :)
Getting it past my mom would have been another problem ... :rolleyes:
Sounds even better! =D
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What!? You had a parent "supervising" you and making sure you didn't do anything she would disapprove of!???
That is rather bizarre, isn't it ...? =|
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Conversation last Friday evening at the Umber family's dinner table... a Christmas story to warm an anti's tiny, shriveled heart.
Mrs. Umber: I want something from Santa as an early Christmas gift.
Me: What, Dear?
Mrs. Umber: Something that shoots.
Me: But, Dear... Santa just brought you a Glock 17 and 4 extra mags. You like it better than your S & W .38 special don't you?
Mrs. Umber: Hrumph! That Glock's good enough for critters trying to kill my chickens, but I want something that SHOOTS.
Me: Shoots? Shoots what??
Mrs. Umber: Something big. I want Santa to bring me a Springfield XD .45 ACP.
Me: Have you been on the computer again?
Mrs. Umber: And extra mags. And plenty of practice ammo and a few boxes of the good stuff, as you call it. I've already called and Dan is holding an XD for me.
Me: (Rolling eyes) Yes, Dear. Of course, Dear. An XD.
Mrs. Umber: More chicken, Sweetie? Yes, here... take some more. I know you prefer rifles, but have you ever thought about getting a .44 mag revolver? A Ruger Super Redhawk maybe?
Me: Can't say as I have, no.
Mrs. Umber. Well, you should START thinking about one then. I like the low glare finish on that stainless and I like a double action. Don't you? Do you have loading dies and brass?
Me: Not yet, Dear, but it looks like I'll have them soon. (muttering to myself: I've created a monster!)
Mrs. Umber: Pie and ice cream for dessert, Sweetie?
Just so you folks know, I'm a dyed in the wool skinflint... but sometimes spending money is a good thing. After running a couple boxes of ammo through the XD and another box through the Glock, Mrs. Umber was all smiles. And that's what counts.
Wonder how that Redhawk's gonna shoot? :laugh:
Umber
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Merged two threads...
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The EBR word for high cap 9mm pistols is "Pocket Rocket"
That and "Common Sense Gun Control" are products of Americans for Gun Safety & Violence Policy Center
I'm sure Naomi Seilgman is going return to roost at VPC soon
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Naomi_Seligman
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No, he just assumes us lowly peasants were born yesterday, that we don't check voting records, that we don't check newspaper archives and such.
=| Wellllll...
He mostly assumes correctly if that is indeed what he assumes.
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=| Wellllll...
He mostly assumes correctly if that is indeed what he assumes.
How unfortunately true.
Brad
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We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage.
Ok then, our president elect thinks street violence is caused by guns. Just how unplugged from reality is this guy?
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Would it kill a politician to say "Do what you want, this is America" GAR! :mad:
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I wonder what O would say if people were stocking up on crucifixes and bibles ...? =|
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I wonder what O would say if people were stocking up on crucifixes and bibles ...? =|
...or pitchforks and torches?
^^^ NOT A RACIST REMARK. Just a freaking joke. You sick, twisted freak.
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...or pitchforks and torches?
^^^ NOT A RACIST REMARK. Just a freaking joke. You sick, twisted freak.
Racist would be stocking up on rope and sheets...
Just sayin'
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Would it kill a politician to say "Do what you want, this is America" GAR!
A few do, but they get called nut-cases and their supporters are accused of wearing Wookiee suits and living in their mom's basements. ;/
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A few do, but they get called nut-cases and their supporters are accused of wearing Wookiee suits and living in their mom's basements. ;/
Only when they go beyond simple libertarian thought and bring the crazy.
Which is what they keep doing. It's like
"Okay, makes sense." "Okay." "Okay, I can agree with that." "...What? That's a silly conspiracy theory." "Oh my god these people are nuts."
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I remember when comic books advertised that Savage .22/.410 over and under on the back page. It showed a Dad taking his kid out to shoot one and they were using old 78 rpm records for targets. Always wanted one of those guns but alas, Mom wouldn't let me have one either. Got one now though! Great squirrel gun... =D
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Only when they go beyond simple libertarian thought and bring the crazy.
Crazy being defined 'what I personally disagree with'.
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The EBR word for high cap 9mm pistols is "Pocket Rocket"
That and "Common Sense Gun Control" are products of Americans for Gun Safety & Violence Policy Center
I'm sure Naomi Seilgman is going return to roost at VPC soon
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Naomi_Seligman
I thought "pocket rocket" was EBR-speak for any concealable pistol considered suitable for defensive use?
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Crazy being defined 'what I personally disagree with'.
No, crazy being:
"We should ignore the electronic global transactions for the value of goods and services and go back to a 19th century standard of a shiny, nearly useless metal that is stockpiled in quantity by some of our economic enemies."
and
"9/11 was an inside job."
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Whether something is 'useless' is determined plainly by its market price. From the point of view of economics, an item that people are willing to pay $100 for for use in industry and an item that people are willing to pay $100 for to shove in their nostril are equal in value. That's even repeated in Marxist economic theory.
In addition, as I point out again and again, free banking is a completely viable option. It's certainly better than Keynesianism.
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The pocket rocket was a 10 round 9mm pistol that followed the AWB guidelines for "low capacity" magazines
Because the manufacturers made form follow function, they were smaller due to the lack of a grip frame designed to contain 16 rounds.
I think one of the main gun rags had a cover emblazoned with "Pocket Rocket" and the VPC took it and ran with it.
http://www.vpc.org/studies/pockintr.htm
Today pocket rocket is used more to describe those tiny motorcycles
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I wouldn't say it was useless either. If it didn't have uses, it wouldn't be as valuable as it is. Electrical conductivity and corrosion resistance to name two. That fact that it has been used as a store of wealth is something else.
That doesn't mean I necessarily disagree with you on the gold standard subject.
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So when Prince say,"I got a rocket in my pocket and baby, it's ready to roar..." he's talking about,,, =D
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The only bad thing about that is that there's lots of people without any training buying stuff, and they really...really need to take a class. The ones asking where the bullets go, covering everyone in the store, all that.
Because they're the ones who are going to have an ND, and they're the ones who are going to be used by the Obamatons as proof that guns in the home are too dangerous and cause tragedies.
I really, really wish the NRA would put out an ad campaign of "Getting a gun? Get educated."
How 'bout we do that:
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Dear responsible adults, now that the President elect has your attention, we are -really- glad to hear you're all buying guns. More guns in the hands of good people means less crime and a safer society.
But don't let it stop there. If you miss out on training you're missing most of the fun! And who has been providing lower cost firearms education since 1875? What's the worlds largest trainer of civilians in firearms safety and marksmanship for over 175 years? Have a look here
http://www.nrahq.org/education/training
and see the details of what they offer. That new lifesaver isn't just for the dust bunnies, it's a fun new skill for you.
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I'm completely serious. We don't have to wait for NRA to launch a new campaign. Nor for the State to mandate how we use our life preservers (I'll fight mandated training with every fiber in me). We can get in contact with these folks right now. Whip something out on your ink jet printer, and see if your local range will put it on the counter (use a copy center for less expensive final output). Forward this, or your variant of it to friends and email lists. All IMO -Boyd Kneeland NRA election volunteer coordinator wa-08, NRA Training Counselor
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Actually....I agree with Obama....don't stock up on guns....stock up on ammo and mags and spare parts....
I really, really wish the NRA would put out an ad campaign of "Getting a gun? Get educated." to prevent that.
If people got educated, they wouldn't have voted for him in the first place.... ;/
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So our economy is doing poor, and Obama is discouraging US citizens from pouring money into it? Not to mention some of the companies getting business right about now hold historical significance in this country's history.
What an idiot. Completely see-through.
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Maybe if someone would come up with a "green" gun, Obama would have less of a problem. Hard not to leave a carbon footprint with gunpowder and lead, though.
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Did anyone notice the way he phrased that?
Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue.
Emphasis mine. So, what's he saying--that we have a few months? Or is he saying that he recognizes that gun control is a political loser right now? Is he saying we should put off our "panic buying" until there's a bill in Congress to panic about?
Yeah, Obama's website only says he wants to ban these things--nothing to worry about.
To quote Manedwolf,
Mags. Mags mags mags mags mags mags.
Lowers.
Mags.
I agree on the irony of Hamm's response to a faltering economy and Americans buying stuff. I guess it's not ironic if you consider the source, though.
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Maybe if someone would come up with a "green" gun, Obama would have less of a problem. Hard not to leave a carbon footprint with gunpowder and lead, though.
Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range, fueled by a miniturized nuclear reactor =D.
Alternative fuel would be spotted owls :laugh:. Very natural, very green :laugh: =D.
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I'll take two! :laugh:
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I'll take two! :laugh:
Hm, might be time to start breeding Spotted Owls then? =D
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Hm, might be time to start breeding Spotted Owls then? =D
As alternative ammo, fine; certainly not for food, as they're not very tasty . . . sort of like a cross between California condor and whooping crane.
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The pocket rocket was a 10 round 9mm pistol that followed the AWB guidelines for "low capacity" magazines
.......Today pocket rocket is used more to describe those tiny motorcycles
Has anyone watched Dr. Sue Johanson's show? She usually has some interesting items for show and tell, including an item, commercially advertised as the "pocket rocket".
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As alternative ammo, fine; certainly not for food, as they're not very tasty . . . sort of like a cross between California condor and whooping crane.
Maybe we could feed them to some other tasty critter? :laugh:
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Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range
Hey, just what you see, pal... :lol:
Sawdust
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Maybe if someone would come up with a "green" gun, Obama would have less of a problem.
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Suppose he's appeased now? :angel:
=D
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Suppose he's appeased now? :angel:
=D
Hm, suppose one made an AR-15 lower from some kind of high-strenght syntethic material that has hemp in it? That would surely satisfy them! =D
Of course, all of them would be bought up by the stoners who'll then attempt to smoke them :laugh:.
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Hm, suppose one made an AR-15 lower from some kind of high-strenght syntethic material that has hemp in it? That would surely satisfy them! =D
Of course, all of them would be bought up by the stoners who'll then attempt to smoke them :laugh:.
AR? Stoners? Coincidence? :laugh:
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AR? Stoners? Coincidence? :laugh:
Hah! Didn't think of that one! A new definition of "The Stoner Rifle" =D :laugh:.
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AR? Stoners? Coincidence?
Damn pups. A .223 bore does not work well for a 'shotgun'.
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I was just looking in the safe. I'd have to buy another safe before I could stock up on any more guns anyways. =(
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I was just looking in the safe. I'd have to buy another safe before I could stock up on any more guns anyways. =(
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I still have plenty of land and a shovel =D
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As alternative ammo, fine; certainly not for food, as they're not very tasty . . . sort of like a cross between California condor and whooping crane.
I don't know about that....I'm still mad about the amount of tuna that keeps getting into my canned dolphin supply.... :mad: