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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Don't care on December 14, 2008, 02:27:17 PM
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A surprise visit by US President George Bush to Iraq has been overshadowed by an incident in which two shoes were thrown at him during a news conference.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7782422.stm
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
The article states that it is the ultimate insult.
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
Random Task?
If it happened to Obama, there would be lots of hand-wringing from the press. "Why can't they learn to cooperate? Obama only wants to help them change!"
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
In that culture, hitting someone with a shoe or throwing a shoe at them is a grievous insult. You are telling them that they are lower than the very dirt under your shoes. This applies to a good portion of the middle east in general. Even showing someone the sole of a shoe is an insult, so you would not go to, say, Dubai and sit with your feet up on a coffeetable facing someone. It would be like sitting there giving the other person the finger.
Videos can be seen of Iraqis hitting portraits of Sadaam with shoes before they were torn down.
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In many Middle East countries, showing your shoe soles to a person, throwing a shoe or hitting someone with a shoe is a grave insult. Recall when the Marines pulled down the Saddam Hussein statute in 2003 in Iraq, the number of spectators throwing their shoes or beating the statute with their shoes.
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So LadySmith is a secret Iraqi?
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He was quoting Austin Powers, people. No need to try to show-case your brilliant insights into Mid-East culture.
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If he had asked 'who bangs a shoe?', I would have answered Khrushchev at the United Nations. :angel:
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Instead of flipping the bird, you throw a shoe. Try it at your next business meeting. =D
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Indeed, merely a harmless quotation from the 1997 spy spoof. Thanks, though, for saving me the trouble of checking the CIA factbook for shoe throwing.
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They can pretty much kiss my.... We rebuilt it and we can blow it up again and leave the country for the scavengers.
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A surprise visit by US President George Bush to Iraq has been overshadowed by an incident in which two shoes were thrown at him during a news conference
Yawn.
So what's the big deal? 1 pair of shoes out of the whole damn visit? I'd rather hear of a pair of shoes thrown instead of an attempt on his life.
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Ingrate journalistas--the same the world over.
TC
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OMG, someone doesn't like Bush! They threw their shoes at him. Alert the media!
Frankly, who gives a bleep? Besides, it must be Bush's fault, anyway.
ETA: I meant the above as a dig at our illustrious media, not anyone here on APS. My apologies if it was taken as such.
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Prez has some good reflexes.
Good on him.
=D
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Is it really an insult if Bush doesn't feel insulted?
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They can pretty much kiss my.... We rebuilt it and we can blow it up again and leave the country for the scavengers.
You can't please everyone. Besides, you know this guy is a household name in Iraq now, agree with him or not.
That probably had more to do with it than anything.
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Prez has some good reflexes.
Good on him.
=D
He does! Nice dodge there. Graceful, and calm afterwards.
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George W could make a pretty good Ninja.
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
You haven't been here long, have you?
Watch for footwear flying from afar. Heels, probably.
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I liked Bush's response. Sort of pushed it back on the journalists asking him about it.
Speaking of shoe throwing: I saw a Smashing Pumpkins concert cut short by shoes. Some idiot threw his shoe at the lead singer who said the predictable "one more time and we are out of here". Sure enough, about 20 minutes later, there goes another shoe onto the stage. Concert over. Got to see at least an hour though. :)
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
Ex-girlfriends.
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Who throws a shoe? Honestly?
Was it Eddie Murphy who did a stand up routine about the women in his family that threw shoes?
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Yes, Raw (IIRC).
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Sorry. :laugh:
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The original video of the shoe-throwing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIwLJtqoxBs
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Ah, damn, I spit beer all over my monitor after seeing Cromlech's post. =D
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I actually just got around to watching the original video, and it cracks me up that the reporter could easily substitute for your typical liberal protester. Big talker when he thought he was safe, but as soon as he gets tackled, you can hear him screaming like a girl. Just like "don't taze me bro" and all the other bigmouths that lose it as soon as they get stuck taking responsibility for their actions. If you're gonna talk big and hurl your shoes, at least cowboy up and take it when they tackle you. The girl voice ruins your attempted effect of indignant outrage.
I haven't been happy with Bush over the last 4 years, but I gotta hand it to the guy, he handles situations like this better than 90% of the other politicians out there. Not only did it not phase him, but I saw where he jokingly made the comment, "All I can report is that it was a size 10". The liberals in my office were talking about this today and praising the reporter, but even they were admitting, "gee, the guy had fast reflexes" albeit it somewhat disappointedly as they were hoping for a hit.
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Just like "don't taze me bro" and all the other bigmouths that lose it as soon as they get stuck taking responsibility for their actions.
The difference is, the guy who got tazed (after being restrained by three cops) didn't physically attack Kerry with a shoe or any other object, nor was he violent at any stage of it. The proper response to an ahole question or a nonviolent protest is NOT a tasing or a night-stick to the face.
Yes, people lose it when they get assaulted by three guys double their own size. In a civilized society 'taking responsibility for your words' does not include random beatings, even when the words are insulting to a U.S. Senator.
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Nobody is hitting on the real issue here. This assclown passed off as a journalist. MSNBC, I think.... :laugh:
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The difference is, the guy who got tazed (after being restrained by three cops) didn't physically attack Kerry with a shoe or any other object, nor was he violent at any stage of it. The proper response to an ahole question or a nonviolent protest is NOT a tasing or a night-stick to the face.
Yes, people lose it when they get assaulted by three guys double their own size. In a civilized society 'taking responsibility for your words' does not include random beatings, even when the words are insulting to a U.S. Senator.
sheesh
the proper response to the cops telling you to leave is to leave. even a cheeto eater looks like a complete puss when they girl up like "don't taze me bro" girl did.
"Yes, people loseit when they get assaulted by three guys double their own size. "
more artistic exaggeration? the poofta was a decent sized pansy and the cops were average one was female if irc. he/you would really whimper if they choked him out or just bopped him on the head
sometime wish the cops went back to that less nonsense from entitled children then
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If it were Obama he would ban shoes at all press events.
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more artistic exaggeration? the poofta was a decent sized pansy and the cops were average one was female if irc. he/you would really whimper if they choked him out or just bopped him on the head
Why did they need to choke him out or bop him on the head? Down here when the settler idiots lie on the ground and refuse to leave we just get a couple of manly Border Patrol dudes and carry them off the location.
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choked out is quiet plus pour encourager les autres
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choked out is quiet plus pour encourager les autres
See, this is precisely the attitude we must oppose in law enforcement. By the way, I looked at the video again. I am sorry, there are actually more than three cops, and the guy is actually leaving when they finally throw him to the ground.
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i'll wager plenty of non leo's would cheerfully choke the hero quiet
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i'll wager plenty of non leo's would cheerfully choke the hero quiet
Quite possibly, but that's probably why we don't let such people work in law enforcement.
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and the guy is actually leaving when they finally throw him to the ground.
so in your world he gets to leave when hes good and ready as opposed to when told? sorry in mine someone punches the lil drama queen in the chops. whats the matter mom won't get him a wookie suit?
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so in your world he gets to leave when hes good and ready as opposed to when told? sorry in mine someone punches the lil drama queen in the chops.
So in your world it's okay to punch people out who are not attacking you in any way shape or form. Good to know.
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He attacks the US President and then he's just supposed to be able to leave without being touched, and security are the bad guys for stopping him? Really?
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He attacks the US President and then he's just supposed to be able to leave without being touched, and security are the bad guys for stopping him? Really?
The thread has been derailed. We are discussing a completely different incident. THis is APS, remember?
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Talking about the thread title is derailing the thread? And yes, I know this is APS -- do you?
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Talking about the thread title is derailing the thread? And yes, I know this is APS -- do you?
What I mean is, me and CSD derailed the thread while talking about the guy who asked Kerry a question. :D I did not imply YOU were derailing the thread, but rather that it had already been derailed.
Further, I was trying to point out that my belief that Andrew Meyer should not have been tazed should not imply the belief that the guy who attacked Bush should not be punished. He in fact SHOULD be punished and I think he will be.
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So in your world it's okay to punch people out who are not attacking you in any way shape or form. Good to know.
yea if you are asked to leave and don't and get mouthy you catch one in the chops. it promotes better behavior. folks need to realize the whole world isn't an extension of moms basement. and didn't i see the beginings of a pummeling on the shoe hero? bet he'd not throw shoes in the saddam reign
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Punching people 'in the chops' is not 'good behavior'. Promoting discouraging so called bad behavior with behavior that far worse isn't making things better for anybody.
At any rate, the shoe guy is facing a two years' jail term.
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Promoting discouraging so called bad behavior with behavior that far worse isn't making things better for anybody.
that from a white paper? i've seen immediate change from a solid shot to some a hole who begs for it. and the taser pansy begged for it. before he started all that girlish crying
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I think Bush needs to release the secret weapon
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Promoting discouraging so called bad behavior with behavior that far worse isn't making things better for anybody.
that from a white paper?
You seem to be mighty upset about white papers.
Mind, that isn't from a white paper, but that doesn't make it wrong.
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amused rather than upset. takes a lot to upset the old folks perspective does that
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So...What caliber for shoes?
(someone had to ask)
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Mid East press glee at shoe throw
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7785837.stm
The shoe thrower's arrest has prompted protests in his support
The hurling of a pair of shoes at George Bush by an Iraqi journalist has revealed the full extent of the US president's unpopularity in the Middle East's media, with newspapers across the region taking delight in his discomfort.
Most commentators see it as beyond doubt that the treatment meted out to Mr Bush by Iraqi journalist Muntadar al-Zaidi is a just response to the president's policies in Iraq, although one chides the shoe-thrower for expressing his protest through violence rather than "tough questions".
The incident is also seen as a warning to US President-elect Barack Obama that he must tread carefully in the Middle East if he wants a gentler send-off from the region at the end of his presidency.
MUHAMMAD BARAKAT IN EGYPT'S AL-AKHBAR
This extraordinary shot of the flying shoe involves a clear response by Iraqis to what Bush has been saying in the past five years about the great gains the Iraqi people have achieved as a result of the invasion, the occupation and the US destruction of their homes and state.
GHAZI AL-DADA IN SYRIA'S TISHRIN
When it became evident that George Bush, the outgoing US president, is incapable of understanding all that is being said about his rash policies, in all the languages of the world, it was necessary to invent a new language that Bush might understand, and it was the language of shoe-throwing.
GEORGE HADDAD IN JORDAN'S AL-DUSTUR
This terrible insult, which was richly deserved fully deserved by the lying war-criminal president, puts more pressure on the US president-elect to extricate his country from its entanglement in world affairs.
MUSIB NUAIMI IN IRAN'S ARABIC-LANGUAGE AL-VEFAGH
Iraqi journalist Muntadar al-Zaidi's shoes have made history. The shoe he threw at Bush will always haunt [the president] even after he leaves the White House, and will upset him whenever he remembers the incident. This is the end of all tyrants who shed the people's blood and despise human rights in order to achieve their arrogant aspirations.
EDITORIAL IN UK-BASED AL-QUDS AL-ARABI
The overwhelming Arab solidarity with the journalist and the fact that he was turned into a hero overnight have proved the extent of the misleading advertising carried out by the US media and the Iraqi officials, who have always been presenting a false picture of the "New Iraq".
AL-AZAB AL-TAYYIB AL-TAHIR IN QATAR'S AL-RAYAH
Zaidi has expressed the pent-up pain and humiliation which Iraqis feel as a result of the violations committed by the occupation forces throughout five years.
YUSUF AL-KUWAYLIT IN SAUDI AL-RIYADH
He [Bush] never expected that the expression of opposition to reach this level of intensity, particularly knowing that, in the oriental tradition, shoes are associated with contempt and dirt.
MUSTAFA AL-SAWWAF IN GAZA'S FILASTIN
This is a farewell suitable for a war criminal and terrorist who led the world towards moral degeneration, terrorism and violence for eight years. The scene of the shoe being thrown is the only one that is suitable for US President George Bush. This is a free Iraqi expressing the feelings of the Iraqi people.
EDITORIAL IN IRAN'S IRAN
Muntadar al-Zaidi's pair of shoes is the symbol of infinite hatred, of not only Iraqi people but also the people of the whole world against America's president because of his arrogant atrocities.
TARIQ AL-HAMID IN AL-SHARQ AL-AWSAT
The Iraqi journalist should have asked tough or embarrassing questions to US President Bush while he was standing near Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. However, the journalist opted for shoes instead of questions. He forgot that media attention requires neither violence nor obscenity.
RA'UF SHAHURI IN LEBANON'S AL-ANWAR
This is a warning for the United States' new era. Those who will follow Bush's policies will receive the same farewell at the end of their term in office. Hopefully, Barack Obama will realise that, deep inside, Arab and Muslim peoples wish to bid him farewell with flowers at the end of his term in office.
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Bush Says Shoe Throw Didn't Insult Him
Reporter Held After Hurling Shoes At Bush
POSTED: Monday, December 15, 2008
UPDATED: 3:19 pm EST December 15, 2008
http://www.justnews.com/politics/18278973/detail.html?rss=mia&psp=news
President George W. Bush said he doesn't feel insulted and doesn't blame the Iraqi government after a TV reporter threw shoes at him in Baghdad.
The president told ABC News, "The guy wanted to get on TV and he did."
An official said the reporter, Muntadar al-Zeidi, is being interrogated by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's guards over whether anybody paid him to hurl his shoes at Bush during a press conference Sunday in Baghdad.
The reporter is also being tested for alcohol and drugs. The shoes are being held as evidence.
The assailant, a television correspondent for Al-Baghdadia television, also shouted in Arabic during the incident: "This is a farewell kiss, you dog. This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq."
The reporter's colleagues said the man was kidnapped last year by *expletive deleted*it militias and released after Al-Baghdadia intervened.
Bush later joked about the incident, saying all he could report was that it was a size 10.
"It is one way to gain attention," Bush said. "I didn't feel the least bit threatened by it."
Bush called the six-year conflict there hard but necessary work.
Meanwhile, Arabs across the Middle East are hailing the shoe incident as a proper send-off to the unpopular U.S. president.
There were no shoe sightings to report in Afghanistan on Monday.
A day after the Iraqi reporter hurled the shoes at Bush, the American leader held a news conference in Kabul.
Afghan reporters who had gathered for the news conference ahead of time had plenty of time to trade shoe jokes.
Some of them egged on one of their colleagues, jokingly trying to get the television reporter to take off his shoe and hurl it once the president arrived.
The news conference later concluded with no footgear thrown.
Later Monday, Bush headed back to the U.S. after his whirlwind trip to Iraq and Afghanistan.
The president visited the Iraqi capital just 37 days before he hands the war off to his successor, Barack Obama, who has pledged to end it. The president wanted to highlight a drop in violence and to celebrate a recent U.S.-Iraq security agreement.
In Afghanistan, the president was cheered by U.S. troops at Bagram Air Base. Bush also took a helicopter ride to Kabul to meet with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.
After their meeting, Bush said he told Karzai: "You can count on the United States."
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Instead of flipping the bird, you throw a shoe. Try it at your next business meeting.
I took your advice and threw a shoe at someone who cut me off in traffic. Lesson learned, it's hard to hit someone with a shoe at 45 mph.
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So...What caliber for shoes?
(someone had to ask)
I'm not sure of the caliber of the shoes, but I've got a good idea of the caliber of the person who threw them.
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That sole less scoundrel certainly didn't last long after his tongue lashing
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That quote of what he said is pretty tame. The US media has said far worse, they just didn't throw shoes.
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Throwing a shoe at someone is the ultimate insult in the Arab world....Bush would be justified in sending Seal Team Six to wipe out that journalist's entire tribe....
....I would....
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CAIRO (Reuters) – An Egyptian man said Wednesday he was offering his 20-year-old daughter in marriage to Iraqi journalist Muntazer al-Zaidi, who threw his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush in Baghdad Sunday,
The daughter, Amal Saad Gumaa, said she agreed with the idea. "This is something that would honour me. I would like to live in Iraq, especially if I were attached to this hero," she told Reuters by telephone.
Her father, Saad Gumaa, said he had called Dergham, Zaidi's brother, to tell him of the offer. "I find nothing more valuable than my daughter to offer to him, and I am prepared to provide her with everything needed for marriage," he added.
Zaidi's gesture has struck a chord across the Arab world, where President Bush is widely despised for invading Iraq in 2003 and for his support for Israel. (Al-Reuters strikes again.)
Amal is a student in the media faculty at Minya University in central Egypt.
Zaidi's response to the proposal was not immediately clear.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081217/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_iraq_bush_bride_odd_1 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081217/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_iraq_bush_bride_odd_1)
How civilized and advanced. :rolleyes:
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The daughter, Amal Saad Gumaa, said she agreed with the idea. "This is something that would honour me. I would like to live in Iraq, especially if I were attached to this hero," she told Reuters by telephone.