the last time I was in Vegas it was very tempting to burn someones car in the "Paris" casino/hotel parking lot.
Of course these things are just merely tempting, not carried out.
the last time I was in Vegas it was very tempting to burn someones car in the "Paris" casino/hotel parking lot.
Of course these things are just merely tempting, not carried out.
...behind the unrest lie three other factors: a deep disaffection from the French political system; a hostility to capitalism and "globalism" and the ever-simmering unrest in the poor, multiracial suburbs of French cities.
(1)Even though I lived in Ireland for two years, I don't get Europeans.1: I'm born in Europe, and I've lived here for my entire life. I don't get most of my fellow Europeans either. I was definetly born on the wrong continent.
(2)How can they hate "capitalism"?' they have never experienced it.
(3)Why would a European business hire anyone if it illegal to fire them?
(4)Why work if you could be fed and have TV and internet and food your whole life?
(5)It seems to me that it will all collapse on itself, they make running a biz really difficult, defending yourself illegal and pay for generations and generations to exist on welfare.
(6)I think they instinctively know something is wrong, they don't know what it is, so they blame "Bush-ism"
thanks Viking, it is good to hear your perspective.Also, something that I forgot to mention, that just goes to show how bloody stupid the leftards are: The recent riots in Malmö has been over a place called the Islamic Center or somesuch. Basically, they couldn't grasp the concept of "firecodes" (ie don't shove in too many people into the bloody place) and "you can't redesign/rebuild it if you are renting it". So they got evicted. Now, these folks are apparently some hardcore, nutcase extremists. Extremists as in "beat up a woman and her two little girls for not being covered"-extremist. And here's the tragicomical part of it. The various leftist groups, mainly AFA (Anti Fascist Action) who claim to be against sexism, religion etc, are fighting on the same side as the religious nutcases. They simply turn a blind eye towards some of the more unpleasant aspects of the stuff that's been going on in this center. Useful idiots, the whole lot of them.
Why are the French calling it the "Greek Syndrome" when youth riots really got started in France?... ???Youth riots aren't exactly anything new. IIRC, the UK had pretty bad riots during the 80's, there's been a lot of it in Copenhagen around Jagtveg 69, after the leftists got evicted from their then squatted youth house, there was some fierce riots during the EU summit in Gothenburg in 2001, you name it. Many of the riots we see now are most likely because they sympathize with the leftards in Greece.
My very first thought on reading this, only half in jest, was, "What does a leftist have to protest in Europe?" :|There's always something to protest. Nationalist groups honoring a dead and protesting against racist violence directed towards ethnic Swedes for example (The Salem March in Stockholm for example). Then there's always some EU summit, or some stupid Reclaim The Street-protest, and a myriad of other things to be upset about.
Viking, it was very interesting to read your thoughts on this topic.
During the dark days of the Cold War, I used to worry about what the "Youth" or "Students" did in Europe. Now, not so much.Funny you should say that. The Nanny State has provided the inhabitants in this area with so many things, like basketball courts, football (Euro, not your sissy-rugby kind :laugh:) fields, youth centers, etc. Despite this, they still complain that "we don't have anything to do", and expect us to take care of them. What are they, a bunch of imbecille dogs, who needs a master to activate them and throw balls for them to catch? :mad:. Heck, I was bored when I was a kid/teenager as well, but I didn't go around torching cars or robbing people because of this. When I was a kid, me and my friends cleared up some old dirtbike tracks in the forest (those were the days, a bunch of kids walking around with knifes, axe, saw and sledgehammer all by themselves =D. Wonder if that still happens?)
Gunsmith, Viking, thanks for the insights. It seems that an oppressively large, overly encompassing Nanny-state may not be a cure for all that ails us. I wonder if anybody else has considered this? =|
During the dark days of the Cold War, I used to worry about what the "Youth" or "Students" did in Europe. Now, not so much.
Probably a good idea (re not carried out), the casino/hotel probably has a larger, better equipt security force than all of Paris does.
And here in Nevada, our police force plays for keeps, just ask OJ.
Thanks for the kind words, I'll try to update with more of my thoughts, and news as they arrive. It's fairly quiet in Malmö at the moment, but I won't be surprised if we see more *expletive deleted*it brewing up. After all, it's soon New Years Eve, and I've got a feeling the cultural enrichers will celebrate by torching *expletive deleted*it and shot fireworks at firefighters/paramedics etc.
According to Reuters riots have hit the Malmö suburb of Rosengard.Not really, it's where it's been since it started. Fortunatly I'm a long way from that hell-hole. Haven't read about any *expletive deleted*it being pulled today, although evening isn't here yet. Seems to be quiet at the moment, although I read yesterday that people working with the home-care of elderly were afraid to go anywhere near the area. They got jackets stating that they were medical personel, as if that will help, it's not as if ambulances & firefighters hasn't been pelted with rocks & fireworks on earlier occasions. You know the place is bad when even the cops refuse to go in without police escort! (Yep, totally serious. One car to investigate whatever the monkey-brains are up to at the moment, and another car to watch over the first one!)
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Guess your prediction was right.
Stay safe, man. Nothing ruins a holiday season like a brick upside the head...
Well, an update: Some riots, gang activity and arson are now reported in the Tensta suburb of Stockholm. Not surprising, only a matter of time before it spread further. Firetrucks are attacked by the usual gangs of stone throwing monkey-brains. Unfortunatly, the Piketgroup cops in Stockholm are reportedly down in Malmö, assisting their colleagues there. Wonder how this will end...
What are the Swedish laws on domestic usage of military units in riot suppression?We had a policy against it, going back to the 1930's, when the army shot 5 people dead at a demonstration - since back in those days, cops were a rare species, so they used conscripts to try to stop this march/demonstration, especially on the countryside. Anyhow, it's now legal for the armed forces - whatever we have left of them :mad: - to assist the police in certain circumstances. I'm not sure if riots qualify for it. Looking into it a bit, it appears they can assist against terrorist threats. Hell, I say these events qualify for that! Not sure others agree though :rolleyes:. After all, we are supposed to feel sorry for them :rolleyes:. Read a newspaper article that honestly claimed that the architecture in these areas were to blame for the riots. Odd that, the houses have been there since the 1950's-1970's, and we sure didn't have car burnings, rapes, robberies etc back then when the areas where first populated by Swedish workers... :rolleyes:.
We had a policy against it, going back to the 1930's, when the army shot 5 people dead at a demonstration - since back in those days, cops were a rare species, so they used conscripts to try to stop this march/demonstration, especially on the countryside. Anyhow, it's now legal for the armed forces - whatever we have left of them :mad: - to assist the police in certain circumstances. I'm not sure if riots qualify for it. Looking into it a bit, it appears they can assist against terrorist threats. Hell, I say these events qualify for that! Not sure others agree though :rolleyes:. After all, we are supposed to feel sorry for them :rolleyes:. Read a newspaper article that honestly claimed that the architecture in these areas were to blame for the riots. Odd that, the houses have been there since the 1950's-1970's, and we sure didn't have car burnings, rapes, robberies etc back then when the areas where first populated by Swedish workers... :rolleyes:.
I cross trained with all of the Nordic militaries, including the Swedish. While their numbers are limited, their equipment and training is excellent. Ask your neighbors, the Finns, if that strategy can be efficient. Granted, training was small arms and not specifically riot control, but... Never know when that comes in handy in dealing with looters. If your govt had the will, I'd bet my life that the Swedish Army would do the job as required. Hell, I remember the Swedish pulling an Alamo near Caglovica (I think) and held off a mob with only a couple men and little ammo. The American CG played turtle; cowardly bastard.It was an older article, but it adresses basically the same sort of things. It seems to have been archived/pulled, so I can't read all of it, but the gist of it seems to be that the area is "unfriendly" and thus generates crimes, in the same established way that guns generates school shootings, and spoons are responsible for making Rosie fat. Anyhow, some pot smoking do-gooder believed that a big public square would help, so people could hold meetings there and be democratic and do all that worldsaving fluffy bunny crap. Personally, I don't believe it'll do any difference. The area is pretty run down in certain aspects. The city did/does spend a lot of money at basketball courts, football fields etc. Apparently, this is not enough, because the poor widdle chyyyldren are still bored, and torch cars to amuse themselves, demanding that we activate them and make sure they have fun. I mean, what the hell are they? Dogs that needs a master to chuck some tennis balls for them? Retards? ???
Uhm. Just curious, what was the newspaper article's claim on the architecture and its influence? They used too much concrete, and not enough designer brick?
It was an older article, but it adresses basically the same sort of things. It seems to have been archived/pulled, so I can't read all of it, but the gist of it seems to be that the area is "unfriendly" and thus generates crimes, in the same established way that guns generates school shootings, and spoons are responsible for making Rosie fat. Anyhow, some pot smoking do-gooder believed that a big public square would help, so people could hold meetings there and be democratic and do all that worldsaving fluffy bunny crap. Personally, I don't believe it'll do any difference. The area is pretty run down in certain aspects. The city did/does spend a lot of money at basketball courts, football fields etc. Apparently, this is not enough, because the poor widdle chyyyldren are still bored, and torch cars to amuse themselves, demanding that we activate them and make sure they have fun. I mean, what the hell are they? Dogs that needs a master to chuck some tennis balls for them? Retards? ???
Since I grew up outside the town I live in, I didn't have any playgrounds nearby, nor any basketball courts, football fields or such. Strangely enough, I managed to grow up without torching any cars. Am I odd because of this? ???
I'll write some more tomorrow sometime, I need to hit the sack right now.
There is definately an argument that the youth has never had it so good in most of the EU, both in terms of the chances available to them, the wealth levels of the population and the almost complete abdication of responsibility from the state and society generally when they misbehave (in fact its probably worse - lots of the EU member states actively seek to prevent anyone from enforcing responsibility).You guys are still better at actually punishing "the poor widdle chyyyldren" when they go apeshit. Over here, people have gotten off with a €200 fine and 30 hours of community service for taking part in a killing. You atleast haul their asses off to prison...I don't think we are seeing quite the levels of youth violence that you guys are having, not at the moment. Being a pessimist, I expect it to get worse though.
This is why we (at least we in the UK) have ended up with an horrendous youth crime epidemic that is entirely fuelled by completely needless acts of violence, and is - until the little darlings actually kill someone - designed to excuse the youth's offending away in a cloud of liberal idiocy.
As for the riots, at least the Greek riots have at their heart a genuine issue of concern. The French riots of 2005 were just idiotic, though they did play a large part in getting Sarkozy elected.
If your govt had the will, I'd bet my life that the Swedish Army would do the job as required. Hell, I remember the Swedish pulling an Alamo near Caglovica (I think) and held off a mob with only a couple men and little ammo. The American CG played turtle; cowardly bastard.
Weasely Clark?
Viking, you have me laughing out loud. Well written.Thanks, and I'm trying to get over. I need to start studying again and get a degree of some kind though. Doesn't look like the Green Card Lottery is the best option.
If you're ever in need of a new country, just come on over.
We'll have a Swedish Mauser waiting for you.
Thanks, and I'm trying to get over. I need to start studying again and get a degree of some kind though. Doesn't look like the Green Card Lottery is the best option.
If you were the dishonest type you could simply go to Mexico, easily get Mexican ID and American job, but we know you better then that.Exactly, but some immigrants have to keep up some standards, right? =D
It was an older article, but it adresses basically the same sort of things. It seems to have been archived/pulled, so I can't read all of it, but the gist of it seems to be that the area is "unfriendly" and thus generates crimes, in the same established way that guns generates school shootings, and spoons are responsible for making Rosie fat.
I can't speak for that article, but I have seen some seemingly reasonable discussions on the effects of estate design on crime.IMHO, the theory is bullshit, and I can give the perfect reason for why I feel that way. When the areas were built, they soon filled up with people who moved in from the countryside. Yes, they were boring & bland back then, and they still are, but crime was low, same as the rest of the country. Fast forward 20 years or so, and our insane asylum politics are in full force, and the areas are now being populated by illiterate goat farmers from various third-world hellholes. Crime, especially assaults, robberies & rape skyrocket. It's not a problem with the architecture, it's a problem with the people who live there. They refuse to learn the language, they refuse to integrate, they refuse to get jobs. Since our politicians are more naive than a kitten, they accept this and let it go on. Now, we reap from what we've sown. And the politicians are frantic in trying to shift the blame away from themselves and away from the people who throw the stones. Thus, we get the imbecilles who pretends to be journalists or serious researchers who defend them by blaming architecture, or "structural discrimination", or whatever the buzzword of the day is.
Such as are the houses are laid out so that someone can break into one without being seen by the neighbours; are there lots of alleyways and alcoves for people to lurk in or escape from the police down; are houses/streets/walkways etc laid out to make it easy for people to meet their neighbours, or does the layout encourage people to keep to themselves; is the street-lighting well designed so as to create even illumination, or does it create alternate patches of bright (where you get dazzled) and dark (for criminals to lurk in), etc
That said, I've seen some seemingly reasonable arguments that directly contradict other seeminly reasonable arguments.
Damn it Viking, every time I read your posts I want you in this country more.http://www.reason.com/images/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg
Good.[Leftard]But they are just young boys!111!!!oneone!!!![/Leftard]
I hope nobody here in Europe is affected, but maybe this will teach the general population why it's important to be armed.
I've talked to people over there who are absolutely astonished that I am allowed, by law, to shoot someone who is about to throw a molotov at a building with people in it, and that it is not a crime.
There? They'd be in prison, the molotov thrower would get a wristslap.
So this is the result of that sort of policy.
I expect there will be riots in the US when Obama's New New Deal doesn't give all the entitlement sorts a million dollars and their own magic ponies, but they won't be like the ones in Europe at all. Or last as long.Closest thing here would probably be when a bunch of ordinary workers grabbed blunt & heavy object and went out to crack communist skulls during the Gothenburg EU summit riots...I've also heard that the cops turned a blind eye to the doings of the Wisemen (a hooligan firm) who also decided to bash some communists...
Remember the Korean shopkeepers up on the roofs during the LA riots, with SKSs? Guess whose stores weren't burned down?