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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ryan in Maine on December 31, 2008, 01:18:20 AM
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Everything I'm reading seems to be a "We know what's best" sort of approach to legislating their use. It seems to me that they should be street legal, perhaps making an exception to highways/freeways.
I've been looking into one as an alternative to a snowmobile for winter use, since it would save me at least a couple grand. I just don't understand why I can't drive it on the roads. They handle just fine at the speeds I'd encounter in this town.
I've seen a few people using them to plow their driveways and they work great in that regard as well. Only one of the snowmobiles I was considering was normally used for plowing (one of Ski-Doo's work sleds).
When exactly did the US decide that ATV's shouldn't be street legal? Especially at speeds under 50mph?
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I think it's the general lack of turn signals, headlamps, break lights, etc. I'd imagine if you did everything to a ATV that is done on a motorcycle to make it street legal you wouldn't have a problem. Probably depends on the state, though.
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Florida has some rules where, with the proper signals, golf cart type vehicles are legal on roads with speed limits under 40.
I think the idea is to get some of the older types out of their caddies into something they can see out of, and can't do as much damage.
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ATVs are perfectly street-legal in Israel, FWIW.
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ATVs are perfectly street-legal in Israel, FWIW.
Same here, as they are in all of the EU IIRC.
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Lights, signals, mirrors. I've never seen an ATV with all those things. That is probably why.
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ATVs can be street legal in Wyoming. The delivery guy from Chatter's bar rides one when he brings me my pizza.
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They can be street-reg'd in Arizona, too. We don't require much equipment on 'motorcycles.' =D
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They are used in the mountain towns of Az as an alternative means. Lights, insurance and registration is all it takes. Oh and the nerve to drive them with the flatlanders sharing the same roads. ;/
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They need head lights, tail lights, turn signals, license and insurance .
The other thought I have is you need to visit the scene of an ATV vs. automobile wreck. Generally, the large red smudge on the pavement is the ATV driver.
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The other thought I have is you need to visit the scene of an ATV vs. automobile wreck. Generally, the large red smudge on the pavement is the ATV driver.
How is this different from an automobile vs. bicycle or motorcycle wreck?
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BECAUSE OF THE FREAKIN IDIOTS THAT RIDE THEM!
Having said that: I mean no offense to proper use. We used them for search & rescue, invaluable and often on paved roads getting from here to there. Would like to use for access to hunting area and bringing game out. Neighbor uses for plowing snow in driveway.
BUT!!! I'm an ER nurse and my state has the highest ATV death rate in the country. Many attributable to kids thninking they're indestructable, adults drinkin/drug, or plain, old-fashioned stupidity!
Example: 2 yrs ago I'm doing 55-60mph on state rd. 2 boys, no helmets, no eye protection, pull out in front of me on ATVs heading same direction. One has a 55 gal drum strapped to back rack. They pulled away from me. Don't think they're designed for 60+ mph on paved roads.
However, I don't think you can legislate away stupidity. Let natural selection do its job!
Stay safe.
Bob
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How is this different from an automobile vs. bicycle or motorcycle wreck?
Because drunk rednecks on ATV's going 60mph create a bigger grease spot than a cyclist going 15mph.
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Here in the PRNJ you can run them on the road for farm use. I'm not sure what you need to do to be legal(keep a chicken on the back?).
But one of he only decent tings to come out of our useless governor whitman years ago was called the traction vehicle act. It was designed to allow people to gun equipment on the roads without plates. It was created after a big blizzard had created problems with people getting tickets for driving equipment on the roads. The storm had pushed every piece of 4x4 whatever onto the roads. Hence a big boom in cops with nothing better to do handing out tickets.
NJ DMV also has another thing called equipment in transit plates. You can put them on just about anything and dive the roads. Hell I got stopped on a road near where I worked on a golf cart. I pointed to the plate the cop shook his head and walked away. FWI it was a coffee run. So it was important business.
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That's a good question to ask the DOT, Ryan.
I'd wager if you could talk them into categorizing one as a motorcycle, with lights, turn signals, etc. you'd get your wish.
(Not likely, but hey, why not give it a shot, greasy smear on the asphalt or otherwise...) =D
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In Montana, you can get light kits and plates for ATVs to make them "road legal".
That said, folks drive them on the county roads and sometimes along the hiway without such niceties and the cops don't bother them much AFAIK.
Our neighbor for instance, has about four miles of county road running through his ranch - open range, with cattle guards at each end. At 90, he's gotten a little too old to ride a horse anymore. But the sheriffs don't patrol up here anyway :rolleyes:
I think if you want to get technical, that you can tie a red triangle onto the back of most anything and you are legal as long as you stay under 25mph. Though you hardly ever even see the triangles on tractors and other equipment. If you can't see a 150 HP tractor with a folded up disc creeping along the hiway, then you ought not be driving anyway :laugh:
Neither do I have license, lights, etc on my horse when we have to ride along the road - though we have jumped into or across the ditch in a hurry a few times :O
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There are kits you can buy for your atv to make it street legal. You will also need DOT approved tires, not the off-road mudders, sand, or all terrains that are usually fitted.
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They are used in the mountain towns of Az as an alternative means. Lights, insurance and registration is all it takes. Oh and the nerve to drive them with the flatlanders sharing the same roads. ;/
I think you're in my area. :cool:
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Thanks guys. I didn't think they were legal on the roads. I know you're alright to drive them for short stretches as necessary, but I didn't know they could be modified for regular road use.
I figured, since I hadn't seen it happen, and since no manufacturer to my knowledge has built a 4-wheeler that comes street legal, that it wasn't an option. Now I'm wondering why a manufacturer doesn't build a 4-wheeler that's already street legal at the time of purchase.
Would that mean side-by-side type vehicles are street legal as well? I mean, the way some people around here handle their Jeeps, you'd think it'd be a go...
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I know that when I looked into it, the issue was that it has four wheels, in OH at least.
That is, a motorcycle is defined as a vehicle with three wheels or fewer. Motorcyles have special rules about not needing safety belts, lighting, and other stuff. Since ATVs have four wheels, they would legally be cars, and would require full lighting, seat belts, crash safety whatever....
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Would that mean side-by-side type vehicles are street legal as well? I mean, the way some people around here handle their Jeeps, you'd think it'd be a go...
There's a guy that drives one up and down the county road in our neighborhood. Of course, the sheriff/deputies never patrol out here :rolleyes:
He ran off the road and rolled it over a while back. We came along and I helped him push it back up on its wheels. Since he didn't seem to be hurt and there was no property damage, I didn't call it in to county dispatch. There's sort of a help your neighbor but mind your own business philosophy around here.
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I know that when I looked into it, the issue was that it has four wheels, in OH at least.
That is, a motorcycle is defined as a vehicle with three wheels or fewer. Motorcyles have special rules about not needing safety belts, lighting, and other stuff. Since ATVs have four wheels, they would legally be cars, and would require full lighting, seat belts, crash safety whatever....
Bad citizen! No Kettenkrad for you!
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I figured, since I hadn't seen it happen, and since no manufacturer to my knowledge has built a 4-wheeler that comes street legal, that it wasn't an option. Now I'm wondering why a manufacturer doesn't build a 4-wheeler that's already street legal at the time of purchase.
From what I'm told, OEM's don't certify ATV's as street legal for liability and regulation purposes. Plus something about having to fall under DOT rules as auto manufacturers or what not. I don't know if it's true, but it makes some amount of sense. If you look around however, you can find places that sell ATV's to the police departments and SAR type organizations with all the necessary equipment to be street legal. Might be a little more pricey, but every place I'm familiar with that sells ATV's to SAR outfits have pretty high standards.
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Bad citizen! No Kettenkrad for you!
Somebody near here has one, but I've only seen it on hillsides.