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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Brad Johnson on January 14, 2009, 06:54:31 PM
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Looks like Ruger is trying to take compact revolvers to the next level. An announcement for the new LCR just hit my Inbox.
5 shot
38 +P
Polymer gripe frame
Aluminum main frame
And it looks pretty neat, too.
Brad
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that is different, does it have a loading port or whatever it is called like a single action or does the cylinder swing out? That wierd divot on the right side behind the cylinder looks sort of Ruger single six'ish.
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It loads like any Ruger DA revolver.
Brad
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Looks interesting (despite Xavier's unenthusiastic note (http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/01/ruger-lcr.html)).
We'll just have to see how it shakes out, and where the street price ends up.
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The closest thing S&W has in terms of price is the Airweight (MSRP $561 vs the LCP's $535). The LCR beats it by a full ounce and a half (13.5 vs 15). I know it doesn't sound like much, but toted on your belt all day that extra ounce begins to grow. Rapidly. Lighter is definitely a plus.
The only thing Smith has that's lighter is the Scandium model (12 oz), but at an MSRP of $998 it's a tad pricey.
Brad
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Farmer Frank finally got his wish. =D
He was yammering about it last Saturday at the gun show in Indy. I anticipate 5,000 words on it by tomorrow. =D
Farmer Frank in his cool shades=>http://frankwjames.blogspot.com/2009/01/day-before-shot-show.html
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I carry a 642 all day, I don't see that an extra ounce would make any noticible difference. Still though I like how they are pushing the envelope.
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Polymer gripe frame
What's a gripe frame? :lol:
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Gripe frame? Oy, veh, why must we suffer with such a frame. Such is my life,oy.
Oh, wait, that's a "Kvetch Frame". =D
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Bang! Damn! This frame hurts!
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They really cut the cylinder down on it.
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I don't like the grips on it.
too "stay-puft marshmellow" looking, and they're rubber. Rubber means it doesn't make a good pocket carry, IMO. Snub grips can't bind against the pants while in your pocket or your shirt when worn on the waist.
I've seen pics of it with CTC grips, which are a hard plastic. Better, but too expensive to be worth it. Need to see aftermarket offerings.
And... it has a lock. Sigh. Not as bad as the S&W lock, but I would still feel dirty getting one.
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I wonder if it is a concealed hammer, or is that a bolt-on shroud in the picture?
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That cylinder is just funky looking. That might present them with some sales problems. Think it would do better with a more conventional looking cylinder.
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I don't get it. What's so special about it?
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I wonder if it is a concealed hammer, or is that a bolt-on shroud in the picture?
Look at the pictures at Gunblast (http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-LCR.htm). Looks like an integral shroud, not a bolt on.
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Looks like Ruger is trying to take compact revolvers to the next level.
Yeah, but it's a level down.
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I don't get it. What's so special about it?
It is special as it is a Ruger and represents a dramatic shift of corporate philosophy from Bill "no honest man" Ruger.
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Actually, I like the way it looks.
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I don't get it. What's so special about it?
First time they've used polymer in a major way on a revolver. Or, at least, the first time I've heard of it.
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First they rip off Kel-Tec, and now Ruger clones a J frame and think it's revolutionary.
Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
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The pinned & replaceable front sight is a Very Good Thing for a fixed-sight defensive revolver. A lot easier to find ammo that shoots to POA and/or choose which power level of .38spl ammo you want to carry and ensure it shoots to POA, elevation-wise.
IMO, both the stock & Crimson Trace grips look too big for pocket carry.
I'll have to wait & see before I make my determination.
I am glad S&W has indubitably high quality competition for pocket revos, again. They haven't had any since Colt gave up the market & Taurus just isn't quite there yet.
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Surprisingly Gunblast gave it a good review. That must mean its pretty good, cuz those guys are pretty objective and critical.
Sorry just kind of annoyed by Gunblast's "Every Gun Sent To Us Is Great" mentality.
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This ain't Bill Ruger's Mini-14...
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5846&return=Y
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The Russkies had a breaktop polymer revolver, IIRC. Don't think they ever made a significant number of 'em.
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Surprisingly Gunblast gave it a good review. That must mean its pretty good, cuz those guys are pretty objective and critical.
Sorry just kind of annoyed by Gunblast's "Every Gun Sent To Us Is Great" mentality.
They get a lot of stuff sent to them, they only use their time write about what they like. That's a bit different from being fanboys of everything they get ahold of.
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This ain't Bill Ruger's Mini-14...
Saw that too. Hope that isn't a Tapco stock....
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Also I forgot to add that while I'm glad to see the gun companies making innovations in the last few years, I think Ruger would have been better of making an SP101 in .45 a.c.p., or some other concealed carry revolver in .45.
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The Russkies had a breaktop polymer revolver, IIRC. Don't think they ever made a significant number of 'em.
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg49-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg49-e.htm)
The MP 412 Rex. Thanks to Clinton it's not importable. A shame since I'd really like a break top .357
The MP-412 revolver has been designed at IZHMECH (State-owned Russian Izhevsk Mechanical Plant, a large factory known as a prime maker of Makarov PM pistols among other things). This revolver was intended for export, as a handgun ownership is generally prohibited for ordinary citizens in Russia. First prototypes of REX (Revolver for EXport) revolver were displayed at IWA-2000 arms exhibition in Nurenberg (Germany). It is not exactly known what killed this rather interesting project, but most possibly it was a lack of market, as the biggest export market, the USA, has been closed for Russian handguns since mid-1990s, because of Clinton / Yeltsyn mutual agreement.
The MP-412 is a double action revolver with break-open frame and simultaneous extraction. The bottom frame is of composite type - it consists of a steel basic frame and a polymer envelope, which forms the grip and trigger guard. Polymer grip / trigger guard unit can be removed from steel frame if necessary. Trigger is of conventional type, double / single action, with exposed hammer. Firing pin is mounted in the frame. Barrel / cylinder group latch is located at the top rear of the frame, and is operated by two buttons that must be pushed inwards to unlock the frame. Cylinder holds 6 rounds and has an automatic ejector that throws the cases out of cylinder once barrel is fully tipped down. If necessary, automatic ejection feature can be manually switched off.
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A 5 shot GP100 in 44special would have me reaching for my debit card so quickly it would end up with scorch marks, as would a 22lr SP101 or GP100 (especially if the latter was 7+ shots).
Chris
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First they rip off Kel-Tec, and now Ruger clones a J frame and think it's revolutionary.
Forgive me if I'm not impressed.
Unless J frames have a polymer frame, it's not a clone but something quite different.
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I'm sorry, but that thing has a SERIOUS case of the uglies.
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I'm sorry, but that thing has a SERIOUS case of the uglies.
This^^
I'd say that's more than an ounce and a half of ugly, right there. I wonder how it shoots tho? If the plastic frame can absorb some of the recoil, one could theoretically use really hot +P+ kinda ammo and still have decent elapsed time between shots.
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I'd be interested in that, too. I could see that the grip frame might flex somewhat, and thus redistribute the recoil impulse...
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It is ugly, but when I first saw the x42 series revolvers I considered them ugly as well. Now I appreciate the beauty of their design. Frankly, I find this LCR more attractive than the S&W humpback snubs with the hammer tab. Not crazy about plastic on a revolver (too much of a traditionalist), but function trumps fashion in a CCW piece.
Chris
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http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg49-e.htm (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg49-e.htm)
The MP 412 Rex. Thanks to Clinton it's not importable. A shame since I'd really like a break top .357
[sarcasm]Oh, yeah, a break open design is too weak for modern cartridges.[/sarcasm]
Look at the link. Just look at it:
Med frame, 4" bbl, 6 rounds of .357mag at .9KG or ~16 ounces.
Just imagine if they made it a snubby 5-round small frame version. My effing dream snubby, that's what. Make it in 9mm/.38super/9x23 using moon clips, and I'd be whistling "Dixie" outta my fourth point of contact as I ran to my gun shop, cash in hand.
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I love the old S&W .44 snubbie. 296 I think? Ugly, but I've been lusting after one for a long time.
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Now they need to just come out with a semi-auto pistol that is more concealable than their current offerings.
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Now they need to just come out with a semi-auto pistol that is more concealable than their current offerings.
Ruger just ripped off Keltec's tiny .380. How much more concealable do you want?
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Ruger just ripped off Keltec's tiny .380. How much more concealable do you want?
I want a .45.
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I want a .45.
I want a single-stack 9 mm DAO with a stainless or titanium slide, please. I already have a Taurus PT-111.
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I'm not sure what to think. If it works, I may get one after a year or two after the bugs are worked out.
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I thought the big idea behind this was you could swap out different aluminum frames for different calibers on the same polymer grip frame with the same trigger pull.
Is that actually in the works or was it just rampant speculation I stumbled upon?
Personally I kinda like that idea. We've got .22LR kits for our semi-autos, why not apply the same concept to the revolvers?
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Saw that too. Hope that isn't a Tapco stock....
It's an ATI stock. Not quite as bad as Tapco, but not something I'd want on a serious rifle either.
Would have been better if they went with the Sage stock, but a $1200 Mini-14 wouldn't sell too well...
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I'm intrigued with the LCR. Watching Michael Bane shoot it on www.downrange.tv , I noticed that it recoiled differently than the usual lightweight J-frame. Looking at the shape of the polymer gripframe, I think it might "roll" in the hand similar to a SA revolver does (and I like SA revolvers). Also, with most of the metal parts (and weight) forward of the trigger, I'd think that would mitigate recoil somewhat. I'm looking forward to trying it....and I'm waiting on my next snub-gun purchase so I can consider this one (that, and the Taurus 856 6-shot J-frame).
As for looks....Ruger isn't exactly known for pretty guns...but they DO make guns that work. If it ends up as a CCW piece, no one's going to see it anyway....
Sorry just kind of annoyed by Gunblast's "Every Gun Sent To Us Is Great" mentality.
Remember the old saying, "Only accurate guns are interesting"? Gunblast operates like that. If it's not a good gun, they don't waste time writing about it. And I haven't seen them write about a lemon yet....
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It seems if you already own a nice lightweight J-frame (like my little S&W 638) then this isn't that interesting.
On the other hand, if it's as small and light as an S&W (an area where Ruger has lacked) and priced lower then it may be quite a deal for those who don't already have a small revolver.
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Is it just me or are they ignoring the fact they just invented the .327 Magnum round, which this little gun could fit 6 of?
Regardless of the minimal weight savings, the market needs yet another .38+P lightweight like it needs a hole in the head.
What it needs is another hole in the cylinder.
I realize its a new caliber but if you're going to market a spacey new revolver, why not be the only production 6-shot J-Frame Lightweight .32 Magnum on the market?
Idiots, at least market two options.
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Colt had the D-Frame/Detective Special for how many years? They figured out how to stuff 6 each .38 Special rounds in that cylinder, while still keeping it in a compact package. You'd think technology would allow something similar in this day and age...
(Then again, I'm a Pinned & Recessed Blued Steel S&W kind of guy, too.)
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This ain't Bill Ruger's Mini-14...
Interesting.
I wonder if it could hit the broad side of a barn from inside?
(One of the reasons I ditched both my Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles long ago)
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I wonder if it could hit the broad side of a barn from inside?
Depends on how good your throwing arm is :P
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Is it just me or are they ignoring the fact they just invented the .327 Magnum round, which this little gun could fit 6 of?
.327FedMag operates at too high a pressure for that little lightweight revolver to handle....if it could, Ruger would have put it out in .357Mag too....
Colt had the D-Frame/Detective Special for how many years? They figured out how to stuff 6 each .38 Special rounds in that cylinder, while still keeping it in a compact package. You'd think technology would allow something similar in this day and age...
Now THAT would be a great idea..... :cool:
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Now that is what I would of liked to see, 357. That way you can shoot 38's and carry 357's.
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I think they're looking hard at the .327mag or a six-shot model. The weight will change, but it looks like there's a lot of room to beef up that cylinder.
With something as "radical" as a polymer framed revolver, they're dipping a toe in the water with a more traditional 5-shot .38 first. I think going to .327 Fed. Mag with the rollout might have been "too much, too soon" etc. for the Ruger marketing people to think it would fly.
Frame stress could be an issue, but I'm sure there's metal stiffners in there to begin with, no?
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This ain't Bill Ruger's Mini-14...
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5846&return=Y
Hm, this particular version is probably verboten here, but I'm glad to see they are offering 20 rounders for them...
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This ain't Bill Ruger's Mini-14...
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=5846&return=Y
Hmmm. "Compact barrel" -- it does look shorter than standard. One of the things you see recommended in Mini-14 fanboy circles is bobbing the barrel for accuracy. Supposed to be stiffer, thus more accurate.
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.327FedMag operates at too high a pressure for that little lightweight revolver to handle....if it could, Ruger would have put it out in .357Mag too....
Now THAT would be a great idea..... :cool:
Just looked at the numbers, I didn't realize it was that hot a cartridge.
Still that's chamber pressure and the SP101 cylinder can handle it. The Smiths can handle .357 in the same size and the .32 would have thicker cylinder walls to play with, even with 6 rounds, I would think.
I guess my thinking was more along the lines of how many LW J-frame .38+P's can they sell? Most of the people who want that package have one and can get another in that weight more cheaply.
I have a Ti .38+P and certainly don't need another, regardless of how cool it may look.
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I guess my thinking was more along the lines of how many LW J-frame .38+P's can they sell? Most of the people who want that package have one and can get another in that weight more cheaply.
Depends where street price ends up.