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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Manedwolf on January 15, 2009, 01:34:42 PM
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Rangel. Who should be in prison, but is happily ensconced in his corrupt little fiefdom for life.
I am just hoping the Dems DO self-destruct this quickly.
Rangel to reintroduce military draft measure
By Susan Crabtree
Posted: 01/14/09 07:24 PM [ET]
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) likely will introduce his controversial legislation to reinstate the draft again this year, but he will wait until after the economic stimulus package is passed.
Asked if he plans to introduce the legislation again in 2009, Rangel last week said, “Probably … yes. I don’t want to do anything this early to distract from the issue of the economic stimulus.”
Rangel’s military draft bill did create a distraction for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) soon after Democrats won control of Congress after the 2006 election.
In the wake of that historic victory, Pelosi said publicly that she did not support the draft and that the Democratic leadership would not back Rangel’s legislation. She also said Rangel’s legislation was not about reinstating the draft but was instead “a way to make a point” about social inequality.
Reintroducing the military draft bill, which would attract media attention, will be trickier for Rangel in 2009 than it was a couple years ago because the Ways and Means Committee chairman is now under investigation by the House ethics committee.
Democratic leaders have given Rangel a leading role in helping craft the new economic stimulus bill despite an array of ethics allegations that have surfaced over the last several months. The charges have ranged from failing to report rental income on a villa in the Dominican Republic to an alleged quid pro quo involving a legislative favor for a donor to an education center bearing Rangel’s name.
Always eager to be at the heart of the action, Rangel clearly is relishing discussing the high-profile stimulus package. During the first days of the 111th Congress — and for the first time in months — reporters have been swarming around Rangel to discuss policy matters rather than ethics.
Republicans are likely to seize on the reintroduction of Rangel’s unpopular military draft bill. When they controlled the House in 2004, Republicans scheduled a vote on the Rangel measure, which was defeated 402-2. Reps. John Murtha (D-Pa.) and Pete Stark (D-Calif.) supported it, while Rangel voted against his own bill, claiming the GOP was playing political games.
But Rangel told The Hill that he recently heard talk about rewarding mandatory service with two years of college credit.
“That doesn’t make sense,” he said. “People shouldn’t have to join the military to get an education.”
A decorated Korean War veteran and a member of the Out of Iraq Caucus, Rangel argues that the burden of fighting wars falls disproportionately on low-income people and that cost should be borne more broadly.
If a draft had been in place in 2002 when members were making the decision on whether to support the war in Iraq, Rangel has said, Congress never would have approved the war resolution, because the pressure from constituents would have been too great.
With the Iraq war off the front page and the economic crisis taking center stage, nerves are not as raw on the topic of strain on the military as they were a few years ago, so Rangel’s legislation may not make as many waves this time around.
But some Democrats — even one who supported Rangel’s efforts in the past — are a little perplexed about his plans to reintroduce the legislation, especially now that President-elect Obama is poised to take over the White House.
“That was really a political statement at the beginning of the war that we continued,” said Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), one of only two co-sponsors of Rangel’s draft bill. “I’m not sure we’re going to do that this time.”
Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y) was the only other co-sponsor during the 110th Congress. She could not be reached for comment for this article.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rangel-to-reintroduce-military-draft-measure-2009-01-14.html (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rangel-to-reintroduce-military-draft-measure-2009-01-14.html)
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Democrats: the party of chattel slavery, graduated income taxes, and the military draft.
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I think a draft is not a bad idea, as long as there is no way for the children of the rich and powerful to escape it. It is probably the best way to keep our leaders for dallying in places we don't belong.
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That's... interesting.
I wonder how it's worded? Like, would people turning 18 have to do two years of service, where as current 18 and 19 year olds slip past?
I suppose it's a moot point, since it will never pass.
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I wonder how it's worded? Like, would people turning 18 have to do two years of service, where as current 18 and 19 year olds slip past?
Don't know the details, but it will likely be worded something like "All persons born on or after January 1, 1984 shall serve a minimum of 2 years service in any branch of the military or in <insert some socialist program here> commencing prior to the individual's 25th birthday."
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Don't know the details, but it will likely be worded something like "All persons born on or after January 1, 1984 shall serve a minimum of 2 years service in any branch of the military or in <insert some socialist program here> commencing prior to the individual's 25th birthday."
Huh. Well, that particular situation would include me. So, I, and many others would effectively be taken out of the workforce, and payed instead by the public dole. That should make the economy better. ;/
Brilliant!
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Rangel does this every year, doesn't he?
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Rangel does this every year, doesn't he?
Yes it is nothing new. He does this because he believes it would reduce the number of wars we are involved in.
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Huh. Well, that particular situation would include me. So, I, and many others would effectively be taken out of the workforce, and payed instead by the public dole. That should make the economy better. ;/
Brilliant!
You're assuming that Rangle cares about that.
Had he managed to push that through in the first time around in 2002 0r 2003 (he was talking about it affecting those up to age 25) it would have caught up my wife at that time. In '03 we found out SWMBO was pregnant with our daughter. Wonder how that would have affected the required participation.
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Prepping the legislative battlefield involves introduction of a draft before introducing the real objective--O'Bama's Youth Service Corp.
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Yes it is nothing new. He does this because he believes it would reduce the number of wars we are involved in.
He voted against it, too, if I remember correctly.
He's a real nut, that's for sure.
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I think a draft is not a bad idea, as long as there is no way for the children of the rich and powerful to escape it. It is probably the best way to keep our leaders for dallying in places we don't belong.
Right. Because it's ok to steal peoples' lives away, so long as we get those eeevil rich people, too.
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Those of us who lived through the Vietnam fiasco understand the value of a draft. Opposition to the war went no where until the draft snagged middle class sons and daughters. Then suddenly a fit of opposition to the war broke out and the rest is history. I don't think government should have first claim on a citizens life but I do see the utility of a draft dampening enthusiasm for an unpopular war.
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The only way Rangel's draft scheme has any value is if you think manipulating public opinion is more noble than protecting the peoples' liberties.
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Right. Because it's ok to steal peoples' lives away, so long as we get those eeevil rich people, too.
Well, they already lay claim to about 1/3 of your life (via income tax) and probably another 1/5 via public schooling.
What another 2 years thrown on top?
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Well, they already lay claim to about 1/3 of your life (via income tax) and probably another 1/5 via public schooling.
What another 2 years thrown on top?
Sigh. Yup.
And taxes are another instance of people not caring so long as the rich get it good and hard.
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The draft is a poison pill designed to stop foreign military "adventures."
It's also the first toe in the water for a military on the Red Chinese model.
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Those of us who lived through the Vietnam fiasco understand the value of a draft. Opposition to the war went no where until the draft snagged middle class sons and daughters. Then suddenly a fit of opposition to the war broke out and the rest is history. I don't think government should have first claim on a citizens life but I do see the utility of a draft dampening enthusiasm for an unpopular war.
Don't forget to mention guys like Walter Cronkite who purposefully did everything they could to generate opposition to that war.
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I think a draft is not a bad idea, as long as there is no way for the children of the rich and powerful to escape it. It is probably the best way to keep our leaders for dallying in places we don't belong.
BS. It didn't stop them from killing almost 60,000 of our young men in Vietnam and southeast Asia.
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First, the title should be changed to dem from rep. Yes, I know it is Representative, but still looks like Republican.
Second, under the obama plan, you will have to serve in the Military or obama's civilian civil service core (brown shirts).
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I think a draft is not a bad idea, as long as there is no way for the children of the rich and powerful to escape it. It is probably the best way to keep our leaders for dallying in places we don't belong.
"No condition of slavery or involuntary servitude...."
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No condition of slavery or involuntary servitude.
I work about 3 months a year for free... and give the money I make the federal government in the form of income taxes. I consider that involuntary servitude. I am pretty sure they aren't going to rule income tax unconstitutional any time soon.