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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on January 27, 2009, 09:48:14 PM
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Do you like this here?
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The Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog, by Caspar David Friedrich
Or would you prefer something a little more pre-Raphealite, like so?
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La Belle Dame Sans Merci, by John William Waterhouse
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It's crooked. Tilt it a little that way, or use a level.
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The first one makes me want to walk into the picture and give the guy a hard shove. After all, you only live once. :laugh:
I'm not quite sure what goes on in the 2nd. Is he stabbing that girl?
I surmise that you're taking art 'preciation?
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For aught I can tell, she's ushering him into the ranks of the undead. Or something.
La Belle Dame sans Merci: A Ballad
by John Keats
O, what can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
Alone and palely loitering?
The sedge has withered from the lake,
And no birds sing.
O what can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
So haggard and so woe-begone?
The squirrel’s granary is full,
And the harvest’s done.
I see a lily on thy brow,
With anguish moist and fever-dew,
And on thy cheeks a fading rose
Fast withereth too.
I met a lady in the meads
Full beautiful—a faery’s child,
Her hair was long, her foot was light,
And her eyes were wild.
I made a garland for her head,
And bracelets too, and fragrant zone;
She looked at me as she did love,
And made sweet moan.
I set her on my pacing steed,
And nothing else saw all day long,
For sidelong would she bend, and sing
A faery’s song.
She found me roots of relish sweet,
And honey wild, and manna-dew,
And sure in language strange she said—
‘I love thee true’.
She took me to her elfin grot,
And there she wept and sighed full sore,
And there I shut her wild wild eyes
With kisses four.
And there she lullèd me asleep,
And there I dreamed—Ah! woe betide!—
The latest dream I ever dreamt
On the cold hill side.
I saw pale kings and princes too,
Pale warriors, death-pale were they all;
They cried—‘La Belle Dame sans Merci
Thee hath in thrall!’
I saw their starved lips in the gloam,
With horrid warning gapèd wide,
And I awoke and found me here,
On the cold hill’s side.
And this is why I sojourn here,
Alone and palely loitering,
Though the sedge is withered from the lake,
And no birds sing.
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Art appreciation huh?
I appreciate any art that looks like it took real talent to produce. Too much garbage art out there these days.
If someone has to explain the significance or meaning of the piece then it means that the artist needs to start over in order to help us understand what is he is trying to say.
Of course there is art for art's sake. I have some of that on my walls.
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Neither of 'em do much for me. I've seen more compelling work from commercial artists doing ad work and product packaging.
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If someone has to explain the significance or meaning of the piece then it means that the artist needs to start over in order to help us understand what is he is trying to say.
That's exactly what I was thinking, when I went to an abstract art exhibit the other day. Jackson Pollack, and other useless tools. Allegedly, this "artwork" explored various themes, and said X and Y. Uh, yeah, OK.
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I enjoy the Greek myth/nymph paintings from John William Waterhouse. They have a certain feel about them. Come to think of it, Waterhouse was pretty good at conveying that feeling in most of his paintings. Especially in the 1800's.
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Neither of 'em do much for me. I've seen more compelling work from commercial artists doing ad work and product packaging.
Engineers. ;/ =) The first one puts me in mind of a clear-eyed and independent man on a journey of exploration, or about to undertake an arduous quest. Or, it's about the allure of wild places, or the unexplored, or what-have-you.
The second is pre-Raphealite, which means you must be literate to appreciate it. :P =) It's also what my wife uses for decoration, around here. She can't get enough of it. I like it. It could be worse. She might like that [shudder] modern crap.
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I enjoy the Greek myth/nymph paintings from John William Waterhouse. They have a certain feel about them. Come to think of it, Waterhouse was pretty good at conveying that feeling in most of his paintings. Especially in the 1800's.
Those guys had some gorgeous models, too. Wasn't one of them married to his favorite model? Lucky man. =D
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I like them.
When it comes to art, I don't think it's really necessary to pick a side. I find Bouguereau's* work awe inspiring, and am amazed by anyone that can paint so realistically- especially in a traditional medium- but I can enjoy something like Starry Night** or even more abstract works as well. Obviously, one is much more impressive on a technical level, but I can enjoy them both for beauty, atmosphere, strangeness, etc.
* http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2002/NYSOPA_speech/bouguereau1.asp (http://www.artrenewal.org/articles/2002/NYSOPA_speech/bouguereau1.asp)
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VanGogh-starry_night_ballance1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VanGogh-starry_night_ballance1.jpg)
Of course, a lot of modern art is complete BS that a child could produce with no more meaning or value than the materials used to make it, but there is a balance to be found.
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Klimt:
http://images.google.com/images?q=klimt&ndsp=18&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&sa=N&imgsz=huge
Modigliani:
http://images.google.com/images?imgsz=huge&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=modigliani&btnG=Search+Images
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Engineers. ;/ =) The first one puts me in mind of a clear-eyed and independent man on a journey of exploration, or about to undertake an arduous quest. Or, it's about the allure of wild places, or the unexplored, or what-have-you.
The second is pre-Raphealite, which means you must be literate to appreciate it. :P =) It's also what my wife uses for decoration, around here. She can't get enough of it. I like it. It could be worse. She might like that [shudder] modern crap.
Meh. I don't think "getting it" is the be-all and end-all of art. I think meaning is coincidental. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not, and it doesn't much matter either way.
I think the important thing is that art be pleasing to your senses. If you don't enjoy looking at it (or listening to it, or whatever) then it doesn't matter how much meaning the piece might have. If you do enjoy looking at it, then it doesn't matter if there's a message or not.
Personally, I don't find either of those pictures pleasing to look at. They're nice enough, but they're nothing exceptional. Others may disagree.
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Guys, today may be Jack the Dripper's birthday - I just had to use google, and it looked like the color fairy had puked all over the logo...
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My idea of good art is Norman Rockwell paintings or Ansel Adams photography. Can't get enough of it.
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You'll find Art in Terlingua, Texas.
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WRT the OP, the first image can be found on the cover of Paul Johnson's Birth of the Modern.
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The lighting looks "off," particularly in the second image.
Call me an art philistine, but I like some of the artwork that adorns the covers of some paperback novels - those painted by Boris Vallejo come to mind. :angel:
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Guys, today may be Jack the Dripper's birthday - I just had to use google, and it looked like the color fairy had puked all over the logo...
It is. I had to go look after reading yours above. If you run the cursor over the painting a popup tag says, "Jackson Pollock's Birthday - Courtesy of the Pollack-Krasner Foundation/ARS NY".
Love the nickname for Pollack. I called him that once in response to a question from my sister and her husband laughed so hard he nearly passed out. He'd had a professor at college who was a rabid Pollack fan and was constantly raving and droning on about his work, to the point that my BIL and his fellow cadets were turned off of Pollack's work for life.
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The first one makes me want to walk into the picture and give the guy a hard shove. After all, you only live once. :laugh:
I'm not quite sure what goes on in the 2nd. Is he stabbing that girl?
I surmise that you're taking art 'preciation?
My father in law is an artist and when I ranted and raved about how some art appeared to me as crapolla, he smirked and stated, "It moved you, didn't it?"
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Call me an art philistine, but I like some of the artwork that adorns the covers of some paperback novels - those painted by Boris Vallejo come to mind. :angel:
You're not... serious about Vallejo, are you?
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MTP: I like 'em both....
Guys, today may be Jack the Dripper's birthday - I just had to use google, and it looked like the color fairy had puked all over the logo...
but, if we're speculating about Jack the Ripper, check out the works of Walter Sickert....
I'm not quite sure what goes on in the 2nd. Is he stabbing that girl?
...not until he gets that armor off... ;)
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The first doesn't really do anything for me, but the second is good. I've always had very eclectic tastes. Bosch, Escher, and a lot of the Impressionists are my favorites painting wise. "Napoleon crossing the Alps" by David is an amazing work.
I actually really like woodcuts. I have a book of woodcuts of animals from back in the day, and I just love that sorta thing. The classical Greek and Roman marble statuary is also amazing.
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"The Bailout" by Evard Munch is pretty good:
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There is a decent collection of Pre Raphaelite works in Birmingham Art Gallery
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Edward Burne jones' "The Star of Bethlehem. Not my favourite, but huge and unlike any watercolour I had seen before.
There is a fair bit of Rossetti. I should go back there soon, there is a painting there I always make a beeline towards but cannot remember the name nor the artist right now. Going through their online collection to see if I can find it.
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While I like plenty of traditional art too, I often like stuff that's just a little... off. For instance I have a large print-on-canvas in a nice frame of this in the family room:
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"Kohler's Pig", by Michael Sowa
I'm thinking of this one for the living room:
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"Fowl with Pearls", Michael Sowa
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I base my "Is it Art?" opinon on whether or not I could do it. If it is something I could have done, it ain't art. :)
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I have several artists whose work I truly admire...
Georgia O'Keefe
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Albert Pinkham Ryder (Unfortunately, due to his painting techniques, much of his art has suffered irreversible damage over the years).
This painting, one of his most potently allegorical, is now virtually gone..
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Amongst the Europeans I admire Maurice Vlaminck
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And, there's an American illustrator, a contemporary of Pyle and N.C. Wyeth, whom I admire, Haskell Coffin
This WW I Victory Bond poster hangs in my living room. I have probably 30 other illustrations by him, as well, including a VERY nice litograph.
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Marnoot: that pig one is great.
Mike Irwin: I'd never heard of Ryder. I'll have to look him up, that's looks very interesting.
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Art's in Terlingua, TX.
This is probably what's hanging on his living room wall:
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We have several Owen Gromme and David Lorenz Winston works hanging around our humble abode.
I do like Kohler's Pig, though. =D
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You're not... serious about Vallejo, are you?
He may not be but I am.
Never seen a boring Vallejo picture...
Ever...
Vallejo's art is exciting and always tells a story. Plus the babes he draws are seriously HOT! =D
Art as the saying goes is in the eye of the belholder.
What passes for and has passed for art over the ages is IMO proof that there have always been those around with the skill to fleece the rich out of their hard or not so hard earned money. (Which really means if I don't like it I don't consider it art :lol: which probably invalidates what I've written below but I'm bored, have little else to do right now and am a ramblin' kind'a mood).
I imagine most would call the Mona Lisa fine art. Ever seen the thing in real life, actually seen the framed canvas hanging in the Louvre? I have. It along with most of the stuff around it is pure drecht. Why it is worth millions is beyond me.
That's not to say that some of the stuff considered art isn't good. Rembrandt's Night Watch is kind'a cool. Rodan did some good stuff. Whistler, Rockwell and Remington are pretty darn good among others. I can appreciate some, not all, of the stuff painted by the naturalists in the 1800's. Not sure who did it, Michelangelo maybe, but I stood and stared at the Pieta in the Vatican for over an hour and had to be dragged away by my Navy buddies.
That said:
IMO, most of what is considered art - like what that whackjob Picasso did is just trash and I'd bet that the artist(s) knew/know it and laugh themselves silly all the way to the bank and on the way home marvelling at the gullibility of some people.
Of course the rich folk that got fleeced, the art critics and the fleecers would just write my opinion off as that of an uneducated, uncouth, bufoon. I may be uncouth at times but I'm far from being uneducated and definitely no bufoon.
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I may be uncouth at times but I'm far from being uneducated and definitely no bufoon.
Ahem.
It's spelled buffoon.
Just tryin' to help, there... ;)
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Marnoot: that pig one is great.
Mike Irwin: I'd never heard of Ryder. I'll have to look him up, that's looks very interesting.
Back in the early 1990s the Smithsonian had a Ryder retrospective at the National Portrait Gallery.
I went with some friends and my ex.
I was REALLY connecting with the pictures in a way I never had before.
My friends and ex decided to wait for me in the courtyard. Very pleasant day.
A few minutes later my friend is asking me if I'm ready to go.
"Come on, Chuck, we just got here. I thought you guys were going out to the court yard?"
"Mike, we've been sitting out there for THREE HOURS."
I had spent over three hours immersed in the exhibit and never even realized it.
It was then that I realized what John Hughes was trying to do with the scene in the Art Institute of Chicago when he showed Cameron's character becoming totally immersed in Seurat's Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte.
What I really enjoyed about that exhibit was that there was virtually no one there. I could look at the paintings from any distance and angle that I wanted. The O'Keefe and Vemeer exhibits? Had to get tickets to those, and they were so jammed packed that it wasn't even funny.
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I like the Potter Stewart definition of art.
One of my favorite museums was the Field Museum (http://www.fieldmuseum.org/) in Chicago. (One of the few redeeming features of that city)
I was amazed at how much I enjoyed the mideval monumental art, for instance. You could tell that God and Jesus meant a lot to those folks.
I spent almost a whole day there when I went.
Then there are "Museums" (notice the quotes) like the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art (http://www.sfmoma.org/)
There were a few things there that I liked. but a majority of it I'd consider crap.
They had an exhibit there that was a small canvas just painted blue. Basically it looked like a pantone sheet (Blue 072 C)
There were some neat things done with video and other multimedia, but most of the "art" there did very little, if anything for me.
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Art should create an emotional response in the viewer. By preference, that response shouldn't be disgust...
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About that first one, it seems like some of you haven't seen it before. :O I think the image I used just wasn't the best reproduction. =(
Also, I refused to be ashamed of liking the dogs playing poker, or other canine works by that particular artist whose name I can't recall. I need that one hanging up in the study, here. =)
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Klimt:
http://images.google.com/images?q=klimt&ndsp=18&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&sa=N&imgsz=huge
Modigliani:
http://images.google.com/images?imgsz=huge&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=modigliani&btnG=Search+Images
tehehe boobies!
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Ever seen the thing in real life, actually seen the framed canvas hanging in the Louvre? I have. It along with most of the stuff around it is pure drecht. Why it is worth millions is beyond me.
My sentiments exactly.
Wiki has this to say about it:
The painting is a half-length portrait and depicts a woman whose expression is often described as enigmatic.[2][3] The ambiguity of the sitter's expression, the monumentality of the half-figure composition, and the subtle modeling of forms and atmospheric illusionism were novel qualities that have contributed to the painting's continuing fascination.
Sometimes, people detecting deeper meaning in various paintings seems about as silly as over-analyzing a movie. "Wait, in this scene, Cary Grant's shirt has eight buttons showing instead of the seven in the last one. Can this be a reference to the eighth president, Martin Van Buren? Does this mean that Grant's character doesn't think Texas should've been annexed? Could that mean that he doesn't like Ian Fleming's Felix Leiter character, who is from Texas? Or that Cary Grant hated George W. Bush?" Though I should count myself lucky that I passed the course with an A, and that I don't have to do another. I hate writing papers on modern dance, FWIW.
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I like the Regionalism style.
This is the most well known painting. American Gothic by Grant Wood.
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Here's another.Young Corn by Grant Wood.
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Robert Tabor’s Four Seasons on an Iowa Farm is nice.
http://www.bobolinkbooks.com/BALLAST/WPA.html (http://www.bobolinkbooks.com/BALLAST/WPA.html)
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Love the second piece by Waterhouse, and have that framed in the bedroom. Another of my favorite Waterhouse pieces:
Half Sick Of Shadows
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And this, another pre Raphaelite for the OP:
The Scapegoat by William Holman Hunt:
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Some of the art I like is really out there. Like Kushi:
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and Dali
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And James Ensor
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(you really have to see this one up close, this picture does the detail NO justice
But then again, there's perfectly good not-so-out-there stuff. I always had a thing for impressionists
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like Morisot
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and Manet
EDIT: DARNIT I knew better
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If I'm not mistaken, the first painting in Nitrogen's post is actually by Vladimir Kush.
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If I'm not mistaken, the first painting in Nitrogen's post is actually by Vladimir Kush.
You're right, and I know better, because I have one of his books.
Though I like the Kush one with the apple better.
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