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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: MicroBalrog on January 28, 2009, 10:40:40 AM
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New Yorkers protesting the proposed obesity tax by dumping soda into a river:
Binghamton Tea Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn40ZTHrwG0)
Clearly what's needed is a few more young men like these.
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I liked the part where they asked for permission to dump soda.
Real rebels there, I'm sure the govenor is regretting his position now. Positively quaking in his English boots, no doubt. =D
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Clearly we must ignore permits and law and order completely to be 'real' rebels? :D
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Clearly we must ignore permits and law and order completely to be 'real' rebels? :D
Well, yes. Mind you, I'm not advocating that as a desirable or intelligent thing.
Also, I'm agreeing to the first two only. For an example, the Boston Tea Party was very orderly. So was the Battle of Athens. But rebels they were. Proud and stout lads, both were.
If protestors stay in their nice "free speech" zones, applying and wrangling for permits, etc etc. Who the heck would or SHOULD take them seriously? Obviously, such people are sheep that will roll over and take it with minimal fuss. No need to clamp down on dissenters if they're just going to wave signs (with the proper permits, taxes, fees, etc), go home feeling smug, and never EVER buck the system. Such people can be safely ignored each and every time because they are no real threat.
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Actually, wrong. Does it matter?
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Well, yes. Mind you, I'm not advocating that as a desirable or intelligent thing.
I am of the belief that peaceful protesters should, as much as it is possible, comply with the law while protesting, unless they plan on civil disobedience.
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I am of the belief that peaceful protesters should, as much as it is possible, comply with the law while protesting, unless they plan on civil disobedience.
Peaceful protesting is useless unless you actually have a shot in hell of guilting the other party into giving up. Ghandi picked civil disobedence not because he thought it was an enlighted form of warfare, but because it was the ONLY way to beat the British military. Plus, the Brits could be expected to fold if public opinion swayed in the Indian favor.
Peaceful protesting when your opposition has no shame or guilt is useless, if not enabling to one's enemies.
Obviously, I'm not advocating all out war over a friggin tax on non-diet soda. Tho, I would if they tried to take my Mountain Dew. I'm pointing out the strategic flaws in most forms of "peaceful protesting". Civil disobedience is 100% something different. Civil disobedience is intentional sabotage and disregard for the orders of one's enemies.
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Peaceful protesting works (sometimes) because politicians look and think "Here are 100,000 guys who care enough about this issue that they took a day out of their time to stand there with placards. They're going to turn out and vote, too. And donate. And some of them will volunteer."
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Deleted the blatant repeat of Post #4 above. One Ron Paul link in this thread was more than enough to get the idea across. Now you're just being a jerk...
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I remain suspect. I saw no Wookie suits.
Shouldn't those people be at home in their moms' basement?
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I edited MB's original posting to make it look less like a drive-by.
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Peaceful protesting when your opposition has no shame or guilt is useless, if not enabling to one's enemies.
there were a couple monks in vietnam that did a pretty effective job and i can assure you that the governments involved don't do guit and are blatantly shameless
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Hmmm... From my cold, refreshing cans! :rolleyes: (Sorry)
The consumption of "empty calories" is not a big enough danger to warrant government regulation. It's not like soda is really addictive or mind-altering. I quit drinking soda in November for several weeks (going from ~3-4 cans per day abruptly to zero), and I didn't get sick or have any particular desire for soda anytime afterward. I lost a little weight, but nothing really remarkable. I've had a little since then, and it hasn't resulted in any urges to "relapse."
It seems more like lawmakers in New York are straining to look like they're doing something. But don't they have any bigger fish to fry?
I'm glad the protesters got some publicity, at least. Even if the governor gets someone to push this law, maybe a few fence-sitters will hear about this and oppose it.
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It's not like soda is really addictive or mind-altering.
Lemme put it this way... Take my Mtn Dew, and I'm taking folks' skulls as trophies. With my imperfectly sharpened, with a file for a nice ugly serrated edge, entrenching tool.
Mtn Dew is not addictive or mind altering. It's a religious experience in an anti-freeze coloured liquid. Any questions?
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caffeine is addictive! and i love it!!
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Pouring soda in the river with a permit....not rebellious..... =(
Pouring soda on the City Council members without a permit....REBELLIOUS... =D
Can you guess which one I support?.... :angel:
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Gee Rev... tell us how you REALLY feel! Holding back like that... ain't healthy, bro! :laugh:
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Lemme put it this way... Take my Mtn Dew, and I'm taking folks' skulls as trophies. With my imperfectly sharpened, with a file for a nice ugly serrated edge, entrenching tool.
Mtn Dew is not addictive or mind altering. It's a religious experience in an anti-freeze coloured liquid. Any questions?
Outlaw coffee and I'll do something similar.
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Lemme put it this way... Take my Mtn Dew, and I'm taking folks' skulls as trophies. With my imperfectly sharpened, with a file for a nice ugly serrated edge, entrenching tool.
Mtn Dew is not addictive or mind altering. It's a religious experience in an anti-freeze coloured liquid. Any questions?
Your antiquated "soda" of past decades has been surpassed both in shocking colors and amount of stimulants. :)
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And then there is "Redline" energy drink, which will mess you up. YES THE WARNING IS JUSTIFIED!!! :O
It's been described, by actual recovered addicts, as very similar to the effects of cocaine. Do not drink it with alcohol, you will die. Drinking it by itself, it'll just kick you in the ass and make you want to climb walls for hours. Some people have had hallucinations, even. I'm not quite sure how they sell it, really...
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damn! i 1/2 way wanna try one!
how long before we see "the redline defense" in a courtroom as an excuse for a crime of violence
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The Boston Tea Party was neither lawful, nor entirely peaceful.
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Lemme put it this way... Take my Mtn Dew, and I'm taking folks' skulls as trophies. With my imperfectly sharpened, with a file for a nice ugly serrated edge, entrenching tool.
Mtn Dew is not addictive or mind altering. It's a religious experience in an anti-freeze coloured liquid. Any questions?
Amen, brother Revdisk!
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I don't care even if it was addictive, mind altering, and madness inducing. Our society is made up of millions of children who expect daddy government to protect everyone from things they think could hurt them. Wanna drink soda? OK, but do it too much and you'll be fat. Wanna smoke? Ok, but you'll get cancer. Wanna smoke marijuana? OK, but do it to much and you'll become apathetic and addicted. The punishment for these things is self evident, why the government needs to make laws regarding them is ridiculous... we are seriously are all a bunch of pussified weaklings. Guess what govt? I can drink soda and not be fat! I can smoke weed 3 or 4 times a year, enjoy myself, and not think about it again for months! I can drink large amounts of alcohol, and still have the wearwithawl to not get in a car and drive. I can purchase firearms and not lose my temper and go on a killing spree.
We need to punish the idiots who can't control their behavior, not ban things simply because the idiots can't handle them.
Milk has more calories than soda does. Tax milk.
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And then there is "Redline" energy drink, which will mess you up. YES THE WARNING IS JUSTIFIED!!! shocked
GIEV. NAO.
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Outlaw coffee and I'll do something similar.
...and I'd buy you the entrenching tool....
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The Boston Tea Party was neither lawful, nor entirely peaceful.
Quite. Do you want us to return to this kind of behavior? Thought so.
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Gee Rev... tell us how you REALLY feel! Holding back like that... ain't healthy, bro! :laugh:
On a bet, I quit smoking for a week. They doubled the bet to apply to caffiene. On the second day, around lunch, one of my less intelligent buddies was waving an ice cold Mtn Dew (1 liter, my favorite, just a HAIR above freezing) in front of my face. Folks did warn him in advance that it was A Bad Idea (tm). Somehow according to witnesses, I levitated up and over a table from the sitting position in a rapid manner, landed with both feet on his chest. I have no memory of this.
Amen, brother Revdisk!
Blessings of the sacred green liquid upon you too, brother Avenger.
Your antiquated "soda" of past decades has been surpassed both in shocking colors and amount of stimulants.
And then there is "Redline" energy drink, which will mess you up. YES THE WARNING IS JUSTIFIED!!!
It's been described, by actual recovered addicts, as very similar to the effects of cocaine. Do not drink it with alcohol, you will die. Drinking it by itself, it'll just kick you in the ass and make you want to climb walls for hours. Some people have had hallucinations, even. I'm not quite sure how they sell it, really...
Your heretical "antiquation" charges will be remembered and recorded! Heresy, I say, heresy!
The Boston Tea Party was neither lawful, nor entirely peaceful.
Quite. Do you want us to return to this kind of behavior? Thought so.
The lawless ruffins known as the Sons of Liberty eventually became the parts of the Committees of Safety. Many of their leaders were those whom signed the Constitution.
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Your antiquated "soda" of past decades has been surpassed both in shocking colors and amount of stimulants. :)
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And then there is "Redline" energy drink, which will mess you up. YES THE WARNING IS JUSTIFIED!!! :O
It's been described, by actual recovered addicts, as very similar to the effects of cocaine. Do not drink it with alcohol, you will die. Drinking it by itself, it'll just kick you in the ass and make you want to climb walls for hours. Some people have had hallucinations, even. I'm not quite sure how they sell it, really...
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That sounds...interesting. I've got to order some of that!
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Brawndo is more than interesting. It's funny. Check out my sig.
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Wanna drink soda? OK, but do it too much and lay around doing nothing and you'll be fat. Wanna smoke? Ok, but you increase the chance that you'll get cancer. Wanna smoke marijuana? OK, but do it too much and if you aren't the self-motivated type already then you'll become even more apathetic, and may become addicted to the stuff.
Fixed 'em for you. =D
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I've never heard of weed being addictive. I have heard of plenty of other problems with it.
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The Boston Tea Party was neither lawful, nor entirely peaceful.
Quite. Do you want us to return to this kind of behavior? Thought so.
What are you talking about? Do you view the BTP as positive, or negative?
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Quite. Do you want us to return to this kind of behavior? Thought so.
What are you talking about? Do you view the BTP as positive, or negative?
My guess is he was being sarcastic. It is Micro, after all.
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I was hoping that everybody would agree that BTP-type behavior is not yet morally justifiable, or desirable as a tactic.
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I was hoping that everybody would agree that BTP-type behavior is not yet morally justifiable, or desirable as a tactic.
MB, if anyone disagreed, would they be stupid enough to admit so in a public manner?
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I was hoping that everybody would agree that BTP-type behavior is not yet morally justifiable, or desirable as a tactic.
Agreement tends to depend on identification with the parties-blacks in America before the 60's lived under much more harsh and tyrannical oppression than the Boston Tea Partiers, but generally the equivalent acts have not been celebrated as victories on the road to liberty.
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I was hoping that everybody would agree that BTP-type behavior is not yet morally justifiable, or desirable as a tactic.
You mean, do I want to see people carrying out those sorts of protests against high taxes, or gun control, or whatever? I don't know if the comparison really holds. The two situations are much different, therefore the tactics should be different. What would be an act of revolution in one situation would be regrettable lawlessness in another.
The same goes for "equivalent acts" by Black Americans in the segregation era. If the American Revolutionaries had been in the same situation as Martin Luther King, they would today be a footnote in history, having been easily crushed, with only a trail of blood spilled in vain to mark them.