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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Werewolf on February 11, 2009, 02:33:48 PM
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Well - hardly a crowd - YET but still - I'm so proud...
In a joint senate/house resolution OK stands up to the FEDS.
It's a resolution and does not have force of law but it is a darn good start. That's 3 states now telling the FEDS to go 'F' themselves.
Who's gonna be next?
STATE OF OKLAHOMA
1st Session of the 52nd Legislature (2009)
HOUSE JOINT
RESOLUTION 1003 By: Key
AS INTRODUCED
A Joint Resolution claiming sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over certain powers; serving notice to the federal government to cease and desist certain mandates; providing that certain federal legislation be prohibited or repealed; and directing distribution.
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and
WHEREAS, the scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and
WHEREAS, today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and
WHEREAS, many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and
WHEREAS, the Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and
WHEREAS, Article IV, Section 4 says, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government”, and the Ninth Amendment states that ”The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”; and
WHEREAS, the United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that Congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and
WHEREAS, a number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from Congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE OF THE 1ST SESSION OF THE 52ND OKLAHOMA LEGISLATURE:
THAT the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States.
THAT this serve as Notice and Demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers.
THAT all compulsory federal legislation which directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed.
THAT a copy of this resolution be distributed to the President of the United States, the President of the United States Senate, the Speaker of the United States House of Representatives, the Speaker of the House and the President of the Senate of each state's legislature of the United States of America, and each member of the Oklahoma Congressional Delegation.
52-1-5082 SD 11/17/08
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Sweet. =D
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=)
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Montana, Oklahoma, and... was it a New England state?
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Well - hardly a crowd - YET but still - I'm so proud...
In a joint senate/house resolution OK stands up to the FEDS.
It's a resolution and does not have force of law but it is a darn good start. That's 3 states now telling the FEDS to go 'F' themselves.
Who's gonna be next?
The count is actually up to 9 states. Someone posted a list of the bills on the Firing Line.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336202
ETA the links to the different bills:
WA - http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009
NH - http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html
AZ - http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm
MT - http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm
MI - http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2009-HCR-0004
MO - http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM
OK - http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power
CA - http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered
GA - http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm
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Yep, Arizona is in there, too.
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Wow. I do wonder what will happen.... :O
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I cannot believe Michigan is part of this. It will never pan out. Ann Arbor, Detroit, Lansing and Grand Rapids hold this state hostage.
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Montana, Oklahoma, and... was it a New England state?
New Hampshire - Live Free Or Die!
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Yeah, I recalled that right after I posted. Good place, great liquor stores... =D
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I am very angry that Texas hasn't done this yet.
or that I am unaware if they have.
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I am very angry that Texas hasn't done this yet.
Me too. I'll bet a whole bunch of Texans agree with you on that.
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I'm Shocked, Shocked I tell you, to discover that my state has passed something similiar.....
Illinois - The Corrupt Lickspittle State.
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Neat, but probably pointless. Note that California passed this in 1994. Not exactly the most free state in the union...
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Sadly I don't think Nevada will do this, we are too kaliforicated.
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Neat, but probably pointless. Note that California passed this in 1994. Not exactly the most free state in the union...
California's been fighting with the feds on a host of issues, including medical marijuana and the right to set stricter vehicle mileage standards.
Just because the state doesn't want the feds in their business doesn't mean that the state wants more freedom for its people...
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California's been fighting with the feds on a host of issues, including medical marijuana and the right to set stricter vehicle mileage standards.
Just because the state doesn't want the feds in their business doesn't mean that the state wants more freedom for its people...
And frankly, this is fine. The whole premise of the United States was a capitalist economy with a 'capitalist' government style. One state should be able to compete against another state. The union is only supposed to keep one state from conquering another state and allow people to move freely between the states. The states play the roles of companies and the goverments play the roles of products/goods/services.
Don't like the state you live in? Did the goverment mess up too much? Then move away.
This is what is happening in California. They busted the bank with their socialist programs and now the productive members of that state are fleeing the burning building.
I really hope the feds don't bail them out. They need to fall flat on their faces.
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I regret that Virginia didn't lead the charge on this. Sadly, the Old Dominion is rapidly becoming a shadow of its former independence.
I wonder if this movement is really directly connected to the congressional shenanigans, or to the Obama arrogance, or to something else?
TC
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I regret that Virginia didn't lead the charge on this. Sadly, the Old Dominion is rapidly becoming a shadow of its former independence.
I wonder if this movement is really directly connected to the congressional shenanigans, or to the Obama arrogance, or to something else?
TC
Probably a lot of all of that.
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I really hope the feds don't bail them out. They need to fall flat on their faces.
As a passenger on the derailing train, I agree, mostly. Having friends and family who are directly affected I feel bad about it. But as someone who is disgusted with the entire "Left Coast" mentality I'm gleeful. I can't see most Califorons going on a "less gov is good" backlash, though--instead, they'll just make passing a budget easier, by simple majority.
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I just got notice that the Oklahoma House passed the resolution out of committee with a unanimous YES vote.
Still waiting on the Senate.
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Don't like the state you live in? Did the goverment mess up too much? Then move away.
This is what is happening in California. They busted the bank with their socialist programs and now the productive members of that state are fleeing the burning building.
I have to agree with this. While plenty of good and right-minded people in California are fighting for various good causes, I decided to just leave and move to Texas.
I find it funny that people in Texas get angry when Californians want to make it more "left", but yet it's perfectly OK to want to make California more "Right". I figure, just let California be California, and let Texas be Texas, you know?
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Medical marijuana is socialist?
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Me too. I'll bet a whole bunch of Texans agree with you on that.
Count me in that number.....first we have to get our spineless Gov. Goodhair our of office & put in a liberty-lovin' conservative type before this has half a chance of success...
...or we could just secede the rest of the state from Austin and do it ourselves....I'm good with either.... =D
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Medical marijuana is socialist?
It's a lefty issue, and lefty == socialist, so sure.
I guess.
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It's a lefty issue, and lefty == socialist, so sure.
On this rationale, *I* am still a socialist.
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There now is a bill being pushed forward to allow unconcealed carry without a license, similar to Arizona's law. Wow what a happy day.
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I'll never understand why anti-drug-prohibition is a 'lefty' position. Sometimes I think I'll never understand my species.
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There now is a bill being pushed forward to allow unconcealed carry without a license, similar to Arizona's law. Wow what a happy day.
HR 1414... Will allow open carry of a handgun in a holster on a belt or a scabbarded long gun. There is a thread about it at www.okshooters.com
I think it will pass.
Governor Henry will veto it. I don't believe enough democrats will cross over and vote to override his veto.
We will not get open carry in OK until Henry is gone.
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I'll never understand why anti-drug-prohibition is a 'lefty' position. Sometimes I think I'll never understand my species.
Understanding our species?
That would be a really, really bad thing. Imagine what kind of control that would allow politicians to exercise, advertisers, priests, preachers and shamans to have.
No!
A true understanding of our species would not be a good thing at all. At least in the hands of the wrong people it would be bad.
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HR 1414... Will allow open carry of a handgun in a holster on a belt or a scabbarded long gun. There is a thread about it at www.okshooters.com
I think it will pass.
Governor Henry will veto it. I don't believe enough democrats will cross over and vote to override his veto.
We will not get open carry in OK until Henry is gone.
Might be able to get him to sign it. Remember he wants to work with the house and senate and a lot of Dems in Oklahoma would be Reps in other states.
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For those of you, like I was, disappointed that Texas is not on the list, there is one in the works, but contact your state rep and senators, early and often about it. They do respond and mostly positively And let everyone else you know to do the same.
I guess this advice could/should apply to any state, especially if you think your state has a chance of passing it, like mine.
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Might be able to get him to sign it. Remember he wants to work with the house and senate and a lot of Dems in Oklahoma would be Reps in other states.
One can only hope.
Trouble is HR 1414 (Open Carry) may never even come to a vote. Sue Tibbs - chair of the public safety committee where the bill gets reviewed - refuses to hold the necessary hearings on the bill even to release it from committee.
I've sent off an email to each and every member of that committee urging them to hammer her hard to do what's necessary to get it out of committee.
I think you can find a list of members at okshooters.com. If not let me know and I'll send you their email addresses via private message.
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If you could that would be nice.
I can hammer them in the morning from work.
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Update to original POST: Oklahoma's notice to the FEDS to knock it off passed overwhelmingly.
Some of you are now going <yawn> and thinking to yourselves, "so what! It's meaningless rhetoric from one body of lying corrupt politicians telling another body of lying corrupt politicians to stay the hell off their turf". True but it's a start and as a wise man 3000 years ago once said: "A journey of a 1000 miles begins with but a single step".
Oklahoma has taken that 1st step.
Oklahoma House passes sovereignty bill
(http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89842)
NEW YORK – Oklahoma's House of Representatives is the first legislative body to pass a state sovereignty resolution this year under the terms of the Tenth Amendment.
The Oklahoma House of Representatives passed House Joint Resolution 1003 Feb. 18 by a wide margin, 83 to 13, resolving, "That the State of Oklahoma hereby claims sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."
The language of HJR 1003 further serves notice to the federal government "to cease and desist, effectively immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers."