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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Balog on March 11, 2009, 01:39:12 AM
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Cause it sucks hard. http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/ I'm no web design guru but even I cringed when I saw that. But why was I there in the first place? Blame Oleg. This pic (http://olegvolk.net/gallery/work/magazine_ads/SU16E_2775.jpg.html?g2_imageViewsIndex=1) made it look like they'd finally gotten around to introducing an "E" version of their nifty little SU-16 with a proper pistol grip and non-folding stock instead of just a DYI pistol grip kit. Seriously tho, are they so strapped for cash they can't throw a few hundred at a starving graphics art major and have a website that isn't circa 1995?
In any case, don't we have a couple SU-16 owners on here? How do you like the lil beasty?
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Wow. Circa 1995 for sure. That's pretty terrible!
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Yes, I think the same thing whenever I visit their site. They've become a fairly prominent gun company, and you'd think they could dedicate a small amount of resources to their website and advertising-- some simple changes would do wonders for their image, and separate them from the budget/crap gun makers like Hi-Point and Phoenix. I tend to think, based on their site and the designs of the guns they've put out, that whoever is running the show at Kel-tec has a pretty poor sense of aesthetics.
I can't vouch for the quality of their other products, but I'm very satisfied with my SU-16CA. Of course, my choices in California were limited and that was the primary deciding factor. It's been a great gun though... very reliable (I mostly run Wolf through it, with few stoppages), shoots accurately enough, and it's extremely lightweight. Makes an excellent gun to throw in your car or pack if you're going somewhere, and it's plastic and ugly enough that you're not going to be concerned about scratching the finish.
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An SU-16 with a real pistol grip that mates to an AR stock, in 7.62x39 fed from AK mags would be damn near perfect for me. Assuming it's durable.
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I read somewhere they're not durable, made for maybe a year of heavy duty
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An SU-16 with a real pistol grip that mates to an AR stock, in 7.62x39 fed from AK mags would be damn near perfect for me. Assuming it's durable.
Nah; I want one in .243, or at least .308 so I can rebarrel for .243. The difference in recoil between .223 and .243 isn't enough to worry about, but the difference in terminal ballistics can pretty spectacular with the right ammo.
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Three pistol grips, IR laser, mates to a Sten stock, and chambered in .30-03 with five 200-round drums, and a fixed 24x holosight.
For cryin' out loud, people--they make basic guns at a low cost (minus the RFB) for a reason. Adding bells and whistles raises the price and design to something it never should've been.
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I would put it's vintage around 2001-2003.
Some of you don't remember how bad the 90's internet was.
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I would put it's vintage around 2001-2003.
Some of you don't remember how bad the 90's internet was.
I do.
Grey backgrounds, animated gifs, rainbow lines...
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I dunno, the website works, they have unified branding. Their website looks exactly like the cheap-ass box their pistols come in. :lol:
I want a SU-16 but I don't think I like the new one in Oleg's pics. I want the thing to fold up and fire when folded. I think the D9 model is about the highlight for a cheap PDW type truck gun.
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Three pistol grips, IR laser, mates to a Sten stock, and chambered in .30-03 with five 200-round drums, and a fixed 24x holosight.
For cryin' out loud, people--they make basic guns at a low cost (minus the RFB) for a reason. Adding bells and whistles raises the price and design to something it never should've been.
Well, they already make the pistol grip kit, so offering it as a standard model doesn't seem too far-fetched. And the chambering issues are just a matter of preference.
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<blink>shudder</blink>
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This is a 95-99 type of websites
http://www.ghostweb.com/
http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~mbbjsj/index.htm
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The website is crude, but it loads quickly and is easy to navigate. I prefer it to Ruger's.
Eye candy and lots of flash, java, etc don't impress me. I want information.
Chris
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The website is crude, but it loads quickly and is easy to navigate. I prefer it to Ruger's.
Eye candy and lots of flash, java, etc don't impress me. I want information.
Chris
Rugers sucks.. too damn slow because of all the scripts. Takes forever to navigate too.
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I dunno, the website works, they have unified branding. Their website looks exactly like the cheap-ass box their pistols come in. :lol:
Exactly. I buy a Kel-Tec because I want a firearm - not a pretty box or an expensive web site.
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Oh don't get me wrong, compared to say Springfield's site it's freaking amazing. I was trying to look up some info on my XD and I had to quit because that crappy site was making want to punch my monitor.
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The worst thing to happen to the web was the marketers and graphic designers getting hold of it (ok, and AOlers too).
Chris
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I thoroughly despite the flash & script-laden websites. Even on new HW, they can be a pain to navigate.
Flash & JS have their places. Eye-candy is not one of them.
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I thoroughly despite the flash & script-laden websites. Even on new HW, they can be a pain to navigate.
Flash & JS have their places. Eye-candy is not one of them.
We finally fixed a problem related to our new firewalls, IE, and flash content. Oddly enough, it didn't occur with other browsers, just IE, but changing a setting on the FW fixed it. Pages that had Flash content would take minutes to load. After the change, they load in 3 seconds or less.
Chris
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We finally fixed a problem related to our new firewalls, IE, and flash content. Oddly enough, it didn't occur with other browsers, just IE, but changing a setting on the FW fixed it. Pages that had Flash content would take minutes to load. After the change, they load in 3 seconds or less.
Chris
I use Firefox. Even without a HW FW, I despise the flash- & JS-happy web sites.
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The worst thing to happen to the web was the marketers and graphic designers getting hold of it (ok, and AOlers too).
Chris
Hey now, not all marketers do bloat sites. =) And the most godawful ugly sites are the ones the engineers do. Two words. BLUE and RED. :lol:
There's things like eye tracking studies and all that most are just clueless about.
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I would put it's vintage around 2001-2003.
Which is funny, because this is an updated version of their site. It's only been set up this way for less than a year, it used to be blue and not set up as well.
Frankly I don't see anything wrong with it, it's got all the information, it loads quick, and everything is easy to find.
This is a 95-99 type of websites
But those sparkly special effects around the cursor are AWESOME!!! We need that on this forum.
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This is a 95-99 type of websites
http://www.ghostweb.com/
http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~mbbjsj/index.htm
Do you just happen to be a spiritualist ghost-hunter, or do you keep track of all the really bad websites? ???
If any of you get the contract to do Kel-Tec's website, can you hook me up with a deal on an SU-16 CA? No, forget that. Put an SU-14 (7.62X51) on their website, so they'll be forced to start making them. =) =(
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Do you just happen to be a spiritualist ghost-hunter, or do you keep track of all the really bad websites? ???
Bad websites. I make fun of people who chase ghosts, play D&D, wear camoflauge to Walmart, own truck nuts & have fish hooks on their hat brim. :)
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Hey, what's wrong with DnD? >: (
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Yes, I think the same thing whenever I visit their site. They've become a fairly prominent gun company, and you'd think they could dedicate a small amount of resources to their website and advertising-- some simple changes would do wonders for their image, and separate them from the budget/crap gun makers like Hi-Point and Phoenix. I tend to think, based on their site and the designs of the guns they've put out, that whoever is running the show at Kel-tec has a pretty poor sense of aesthetics.
Hi-point's website is worse and Phoenix doesn't have a website. Incidentally, Phoenix .22 pistols ar just fine. It's all the other calibers that suck.
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I do.
Grey backgrounds, animated gifs, rainbow lines...
Flaming skulls. Lots of flaming skulls.
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Hi-point's website is worse and Phoenix doesn't have a website. Incidentally, Phoenix .22 pistols ar just fine. It's all the other calibers that suck.
I really liked my Raven .25 made by Phoenix, reliable and accurate.
I wish I hadn't sold it a long time ago.
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Hey, what's wrong with DnD? >: (
I don't think you want my answer.
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I don't think you want my answer.
Actually I am kind of curious what your objection is.
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Actually I am kind of curious what your objection is.
My experiences with most proud D&D players are the biggest social retards.
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My experiences with most proud D&D players are the biggest social retards.
Yeah, it does tend to draw the nerdy. Maybe the rest of the avid players are just less vocal (as we have better social skills) so you never know. =)
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Hey now, not all marketers do bloat sites. And the most godawful ugly sites are the ones the engineers do. Two words. BLUE and RED.
There's things like eye tracking studies and all that most are just clueless about.
I read an article recently by a web marketing advisor. He tried an experiment. He had some banner ads that needed to be done. He had the graphics guys do some, and then had some techie types do some. The techie types came up with godawful combinations of colors, but their ads got more clicks than the well-designed ones.
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Another bad website. Last updated in 2005, but the design looks like it hasn't changed since 2000.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/nsalway/Index.html
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Another bad website. Last updated in 2005, but the design looks like it hasn't changed since 2000.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/nsalway/Index.html
Ah yes.. the old Microsoft Word save as html feature!
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I read an article recently by a web marketing advisor. He tried an experiment. He had some banner ads that needed to be done. He had the graphics guys do some, and then had some techie types do some. The techie types came up with godawful combinations of colors, but their ads got more clicks than the well-designed ones.
As an IT guy, banner ads scare me and I would never click on one given the odds of them wanting to do "something bad". Just saying.. Granted I run noscript among other things so it mostly would not come up but still..
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I read an article recently by a web marketing advisor. He tried an experiment. He had some banner ads that needed to be done. He had the graphics guys do some, and then had some techie types do some. The techie types came up with godawful combinations of colors, but their ads got more clicks than the well-designed ones.
Probably because they didn't sacrifice content and information for aesthetics...
The degree I'm currently working on is a fairly unique one in that it combines computer science with media/graphic arts. Which means I have to take design classes in addition to regular CS-type classes. There is a very clear disconnect between the two camps. The CS side wants the information to be presented clearly, cleanly and efficiently. The graphics arts value aesthetics far more than the message. Actually, they want the aesthetics to BE the message, even if the only way you can work that message out is if you have a degree in Fine Art, and even then you're more likely to completely miss the mark than not...
Very frustrating, sometimes, particularly when I design something that falls in line with some of the things we had been studying in user interface design (a CS class, though it delves into design a bit) and the media arts professor wants me to change it so that it is more aesthetically pleasing (to him anyway), but the interface becomes less easy to use...
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Ah yes.. the old Microsoft Word save as html feature!
Normally, I don't demand a translation of every bit of geek-speak around here. But since you were responding to my post, I hope you won't mind letting me in on the joke. =)
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Normally, I don't demand a translation of every bit of geek-speak around here. But since you were responding to my post, I hope you won't mind letting me in on the joke. =)
Microsoft word can save pages you make as HTML so they can be uploaded. Generally, pages made in this way suck pretty hard core, as the code is poorly done (since it's done by a machine) and the design usually sucks too (because generally, most people who use Word for HTML have the design sensibilities of a 4 year old on crack, not to mention that word has very limited formatting capabilities as compared to HTML and CSS).
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I never used MS Word fr that, but I have used OOffice to produce several formats from the same source document:
ooffice format
MSoffice format
html
.pdf
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One of my recent sites:
http://www.skjournal.com
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Normally, I don't demand a translation of every bit of geek-speak around here. But since you were responding to my post, I hope you won't mind letting me in on the joke. =)
I opened up the source on the web page and could tell it was a word document they saved as html.
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One of my recent sites:
http://www.skjournal.com
OK, what's with the strobe light there at the top of the page? ???
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OK, what's with the strobe light there at the top of the page? ???
What OS/Browser combination are you running?
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As an IT guy, banner ads scare me and I would never click on one given the odds of them wanting to do "something bad". Just saying.. Granted I run noscript among other things so it mostly would not come up but still..
You're not the only one, and I'm a non-techie. I can barely keep a home network up for cryin'ou'loud.
A few of the cute girl webcams/chats/whatevers are awful tempting, though.....there was one on photobucket yesterday, the girl was so gorgeous I wanted to click it....but...I....resisted....
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The website is crude, but it loads quickly and is easy to navigate. I prefer it to Ruger's.
Eye candy and lots of flash, java, etc don't impress me. I want information.
Chris
Hear hear, function rules over form.
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What OS/Browser combination are you running?
It only does that on this computer I sometimes use at work. Appears to be Windows XP, and IE6, Service Pack 2.
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It only does that on this computer I sometimes use at work. Appears to be Windows XP, and IE6, Service Pack 2.
Replicated. . . yuk! Thanks for the tip.
5000 visitors a day and it's been up for 3 months. First complaint comes from Fistful after one view. . .
Fistful is demonstrably 3 * 30 * 5000 = 450,000 times more complainy than the average web user.
Not that I don't appreciate the feedback :)
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I was hoping for one of those mailboxes with the lid that opens and closes. Oh, and a "sign our guest register" thing. Man, those were totally awesome. The good old days...
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CNYC, glad I could help. I honestly couldn't figure out if you were posting that as something you were proud of, or as a web design that turned out wrong. Guess it turned out to be both. :D
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I was hoping for one of those mailboxes with the lid that opens and closes. Oh, and a "sign our guest register" thing. Man, those were totally awesome. The good old days...
Yeah, but you have to admit that Javascript totally wipes the floor with the BLINK tag. I mean, now you can make each letter blink at a different frequency and duty cycle. :lol: